Christian Ethics - Freemasonry

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Carl Emerson

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Sure. If something truly awful is happening, you tell people. You don’t shrug it off by saying that a baloney, non-legally binding oath to a club you aren’t a part of anymore prevents you from speaking about it.

It is a shade more complicated than that...

Taking oaths can result in 'spiritual binding' which can be powerful enough to render you incapable of disclosing details...
 
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I don't know if this is correct or not but I read somewhere that in order to be a freemason you have to keep certain things secret or they will literally kill you. That leads me to believe that we'll never know the complete truth about freemasonry and that any positive spin on it is just a spin to eradicate our skepticism.

edit: I didn't read the whole thread before I made this comment.
 
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I have heard that people are trained to lie about freemasonry. I am not accusing anyone of being a liar, but I don't know how one can be a Christian and a freemason without essentially serving two masters.
 
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It is a shade more complicated than that...

Taking oaths can result in 'spiritual binding' which can be powerful enough to render you incapable of disclosing details...
It is a shade more complicated than that...

Taking oaths can result in 'spiritual binding' which can be powerful enough to render you incapable of disclosing details...

Riiiight.
 
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I would urge everyone who has any interest in the subject to read Finney’s book. According to the Masons at that time there were 50,000 members in the lodges. 45,000 of them left. Many thousands of those renounced their oaths and the Masons. They formed formal committees to reveal and print the oaths they took and the nature of Freemasonry. This all happened after a lodge murdered a man who had revealed their oaths. No one could be prosecuted because 90% of the offices of trust, judges, sheriffs were all ovvupyed by Masons. The nation rebelled against it. The 45,000 members left Masonry in shame and revealed all. That is the basis of Finneys book. First hand information from the leaders of Masonry who renounced it who were also leading figures in business and politics.
There is no where else to find this information because This history has never been repeated.
THE CHARACTER, CLAIMS AND PRACTICAL WORKINGS OF FREEMASONRY 1869 By Rev. C. G. FINNEY
 
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I don't know if this is correct or not but I read somewhere that in order to be a freemason you have to keep certain things secret or they will literally kill you.
Absolutely untrue. As also is the claim I hear occasionally that if you leave, "they" will kill you.

If any of this were true, there'd be bodies all over the place and at least once in a while someone would be being arrested for killing a disobedient Mason. I've never in my life heard of such an event.
 
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Riiiight.

If you take a solemn oath to have your stomach rent asunder and spilled out if you break it, there comes a certain fear with that...

You can deny this, but folks get seriously afraid to disclose if it means breaking the oath.
 
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I have heard that people are trained to lie about freemasonry. I am not accusing anyone of being a liar, but I don't know how one can be a Christian and a freemason without essentially serving two masters.

Well, people who have sunken to such a level of degeneracy and evil that they are willing to worship and synergistically work with demonic spirits through sorcerous invocations are not going to have any moral convictions about telling Lies and deceiving people.

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CBC,

I think the greater question worth considering is Freemasonry’s appeal. In other words, why are you drawn to it? How would masonry benefit you personally and in your Christian walk?

While I don’t need the answers you shouldn’t limit yourself with pat replies. Consider the fleshly reasons why membership might appeal and what you stand to gain by joining.

For example, a gentleman may consider joining a social club to develop connections with other men. But he may be intrigued by specific groups whose populace consists of wealthy individuals or those with great influence. Is his desire wholly based on friendship or fostering connections from a specific echelon?

To discern our motives we must be willing to acknowledge our weaknesses. No one has yielded every aspect of themselves to the Lord. He’s in the driver’s seat in some places and we have the reins in others.

Thus, the gentleman susceptible to greed, power and success has a greater likelihood of seeking companionship in venues where others share his aims. Whereas, someone lacking the same may fellowship in a different environment. They have no desire to rub shoulders with important people.

Part of the allure of joining social groups is being in the company of likeminded persons. And you’re willing to pay for the privilege of doing so. Whether we’re talking private groups, country clubs, etc. Its all the same.

In this instance, faith isn’t the common denominator. The controversy and secrecy reiterate that fact. The men and women drawn to freemasonry are united by a different glue. Their common denominator is something else.

The bible tells us, “Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?“ They’re on the same page. And that’s your answer. They will never reveal the glue that unites them as one. Many have sought the truth and come up short. Their allegiance is foremost.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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Some people love mysteries, I sure don't. This is one such thing.
Don’t look at it as a mystery because it is not. It’s is a money making scam sort of like scientology as far as young recruits are concerned. The higher ups make money off them as the climb the Masonic ladder. But that is the least of its issues. It is a criminal organization that seeks political power for the purpose of making unjust gain. It is a danger to our form of government. All the mystery stuff is designed to hide that from the public. Read this online book. It is an easy read packed with history. It will clear your head on the issue.
THE CHARACTER, CLAIMS AND PRACTICAL WORKINGS OF FREEMASONRY 1869 By Rev. C. G. FINNEY
 
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They will know your sins and personal things about you because the demons tell them these things just like the demon possessed slave girl in Acts 16.

I worked with an Eastern Star witch who did this to me.


"Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl Possessed With A Spirit Of Divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, "These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation." And this she did for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And he came out that very hour."

• Acts 16:16-18

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Some people love mysteries, I sure don't. This is one such thing.

Thanks for your posts, Lady Bug. Masonry is an old fraternity with ideals and interesting ceremonies like a whole bunch of other fraternities, sororities, schools with commencements, churches, drama clubs, and sporting events are also familiar with. It is not a religion; it doesn't hold a lot of secrets; and the majority of members are middle-class oldsters who contribute an amazing amount of time and energy to charitable projects.

But no matter, when this subject comes up, there are sure to be an endless string of exotic claims from people who heard something from someone else but know nothing from their own experiences. And as you might have noticed, they aren't about to listen to anybody who actually does, either. ;)
 
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Don’t look at it as a mystery because it is not. It’s is a money making scam sort of like scientology as far as young recruits are concerned. The higher ups make money off them as the climb the Masonic ladder.
Not when initiation costs are $50 to $100, annual dues are around that range as well, and there are seldom any calls for voluntary giving to special lodge undertakings. I can think of an enormous list of hobbies, clubs, and the like that cost a participant much more than that. So climbing the three degree stepladder is not going to be very lucrative for those "higher ups." If anything, to be a "higher up" is costly, considering the travel and all sorts of administrative expenses that they pay out of their own pockets.
 
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I have heard that people are trained to lie about freemasonry. I am not accusing anyone of being a liar, but I don't know how one can be a Christian and a freemason without essentially serving two masters.
There's no conflict, LB. Who do you think Masons are "serving?"
 
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