Am I The Only One

Confused-by-christianity said:

The reason for this is that it's really hard to know the history of the letter, whats being address, by whom and to whom etc etc.

If I don't take the full story into account - who knows what I'll end up thinking.

Click to expand...

I imagine context is difficult for you, if you are confused by Christianity. Have you ever gotten "baptized in the Holy Spirit?" (It is different than water baptism.)

Sabertooth said:

I imagine context is difficult for you...

Click to expand...

that just sounds mean.
was it meant to be mean?? an insult?

Rose2020 said:

I highly doubt it. Saber isn't like that.

Click to expand...

haha we shall see.

Rose2020 said:

I debated about posting this but I'm just curious,.. am I the only Christian on here who believes that through the sacrifice of Christ unbelievers can still be saved after they're judged? Or are there others on here as well? (Please don't try and get me to change my views because it isn't going to work and that's not what this thread is about.)

Click to expand...

What scripture backs this position. I'm curious.

Rose2020 said:

I debated about posting this but I'm just curious,.. am I the only Christian on here who believes that through the sacrifice of Christ unbelievers can still be saved after they're judged? Or are there others on here as well? (Please don't try and get me to change my views because it isn't going to work and that's not what this thread is about.)

Click to expand...

Sorry Rose but this is not a biblical view. Why would Jesus preach such warnings to those who don't believe on His name? Why the "we are saved by faith, not works"? Why the "by your faith you are saved"?

Once you die and see your accuser and your judge and your redeemer.. You are no longer operating under any faith.. You are now in a state of full well knowing. Full knowledge..

If we could all just wait until then and accept Christ.. then the bible is a lie.


Your eternal destination and place of residence is determined on this side of the grave.

It would be nice, however, to believe that some close friend or loved one who refuses to accept Christ... will be converted when they see Him and are being judged.

Rose2020 said:

Read post number twenty-three.

Click to expand...

I see, you have no scripture only your own subjective beliefs. You've essentially created your own religion.

Confused-by-christianity said:

was it meant to be mean?? an insult?

Click to expand...

No. I thought that is what you were telling me. (No offense meant.)

(I am autistic.) Here is what I understand you to be saying,

1. You chose your login name because you are confused by Christianity.
2. Your last two posts said that you don't quote verses from the Bible because you are uncertain [= confused?] about their greater context.
3. I believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit can help you retain more when you read your Bible.

I do not understand why that would be considered offensive.

Goodhuman said:

Matthew 5:26

Click to expand...

That is referring to time on this earth.

Rose2020 said:

I think they mean that they have to pay for everything they did wrong which is different than Jesus' sacrifice for us. Also let's be clear about something here. I am not a universalist because I don't believe that everyone will be saved in the end. I just don't believe that a loving God would damn somebody to Hell just for simply not believing if they still follow all of His commandments by loving each other, being truthful, giving to the poor, etc,.. whereas if somebody was an unbeliever and committed murder, was stealing things, cheating people, and lying,.. I do believe that that would be a bigger reason to do that.






I realize that the Bible doesn't say that,.. but,.. that's where we have to remember that the Bible was written by man and how many times have we thought that somebody said something or twisted somebody else's words around that actually wasn't true? Anyways, I also believe that all believers are guaranteed to go to Heaven because of what John 3:16 says. It also doesn't mention anything about unbelievers in that verse,.. and yeah,.. the Bible talks a lot about how the wicked will be cast into the lake of fire,.. and my first example wasn't anything close to wicked. Not to say that those people are perfect,.. but that's where Jesus' sacrifice on the cross comes into play. (Not trying to change anybody else's mind so I would appreciate very much if nobody tried to change mine.)

Click to expand...

So, if this were true.. where do you draw the line..

A person lied a lot..
A person told white lies..
A person was mean and angry all the time..
A person was running around on their spouse and sexually promiscuous
A person stole from the rich..
A person stole from anyone.
A person drove drunk all the time
A person drove drunk and killed someone but was a nice guy.


I mean at what point do you draw a line and say.. you pass... you fail?

Christ basically said.. You believed on my name... or you rejected me.


Everyone who has ever lived.. will have had a point in their days on this earth where they made that decision.

If they were too young, not mentally capable or never heard the gospel... then... God will judge as the ultimate righteous judge that He is... to determine their eternal fate.

Every person, however, will be judged on their days on this earth.. Not what they do or say after they face their maker.

Confused-by-christianity said:

I always believed God wanted everyone to come to Him in the end.

That's why I believe, in the end, He will get what He wants.

Click to expand...

It's cool that you said this because for some people this statement is part of why people believe this way. My brother wrote his master's thesis on this subject. The hypotheses (or was it the theory? I get confused) in his essay went like this:

Does God have the ability to save everyone? Yes Does God desire that everyone be saved and be with him? Yes. Ipso facto God's will be done always.

So though there are many verses that say "the only way to the father is through the son" There are also verses like this one :

1 John 2:2"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." (NIV)

There are more verses with a similar message like:

Romans 11:32 "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." (NIV)

From Wikipedia about a word that was mistranslated in the Latin Vulgate

Christian universalists point towards the mistranslations of the Greek word αιών (Lit. aion), as giving rise to the idea of Eternal Hell, and the idea that some people will not be saved.[14][25][26]

This Greek word is the origin of the modern English word aeon, which refers to a period of time or an epoch.

The 19th century theologian Marvin Vincent wrote about the word aion, and the supposed connotations of "eternal" or "temporal":

Aion, transliterated aeon, is a period of longer or shorter duration, having a beginning and an end, and complete in itself. [...] Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting."

So based on this and there is more information like this. Another half a dozen Bible verses or so could lead anyone to the conclusion that God has the option of saving anyone if not everyone.

This topic really gets people fired up because in their mind they know for a fact only people like them can go to heaven. There are verses in the Bible that say they are correct in that thinking. It's probably the biggest contradiction in the Bible

But oh no! It's impossible for the Bible to contain contradictions. Well, there is are contradictions just above. Personally, I just let God figure all of that out and I try to do the right thing, putting my fate in God's hands where it belongs.

Sabertooth said:

No. I thought that is what you were telling me. (No offense meant.)

(I am autistic.) Here is what I understand you to be saying,

1. You chose your login name because you are confused by Christianity.
2. Your last two posts said that you don't quote verses from the Bible because you are uncertain [= confused?] about their greater context.
3. I believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit can help you retain more when you read your Bible.

I do not understand why that would be considered offensive.

Click to expand...

1) I was confused about something within christianity when I chose the name. I am also curious and love to delve into matters regarding the faith and scripture.
2) Yes. Quoting bible verses alone, is not a good way of showing a truth about the bible because it leaves out lots of necessary information thats required to provide a full answer. Often - the hard truth is - "I don't know".
3) I think you're right that the Holy Spirit baptism is very special.

Note: There was a small joke for you. The joke was this...
1. I said it's bad to remove a statement from its context because it causes misunderstanding.
2. I then broke my own rule by removing your sentence from it's context and quoting it.
3. I then "misunderstood" your sentence when it was removed from context.

Rose2020 said:

...so I would appreciate very much if nobody tried to change mine.

Click to expand...

I just gave you a name for the theology in the OP.

The best of us cannot be Saved without having our sins washed away in Jesus' Blood. That cannot be attained without willful surrender to Him. The first Gentile Christian, Cornelius, did not know how to get Saved, but because of his faithful heart, God sent Peter to preach to him and his family [Acts of the Apostles 10].

"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For 'whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' ” Romans 10:12-13 NKJV

Rose2020 said:

I just don't believe that a loving God would damn somebody to Hell just for simply not believing if they still follow all of His commandments by loving each other, being truthful, giving to the poor, etc,.. whereas if somebody was an unbeliever and committed murder, was stealing things, cheating people, and lying,.. I do believe that that would be a bigger reason to do that.

Click to expand...

These "good" people you speak of who give to the poor, love people, and tell the truth? What you seem to not consider is that their HEARTS are exactly the same as the "bad" people who steal, lie, and murder.

Your deeds do not and cannot make you right with God. Why? Because God said, "The heart is deceitful above of all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

What that means is that man who gives millions to the poor may also have a ton of child inappropriate content on his computer and all people know of him is his "good works" with the poor.

That woman who shows compassion to the homeless and leads a organization helping people living under the bridge may also be a serial adulteress - never showing fidelity to her husband. And all people know of her is her good works.

That man who robbed the bank at gunpoint may have been desperate for money because he has no insurance to pay for his wife's much needed experimental treatment for cancer.

ALL hearts are desperately wicked. Only those changed by Christ are saved.

Romans 2:14-16

Isaiah 65:1

@Rose2020, @Bobber, @alllivesmatter, @Lady Bug, @Sabertooth, @Goodhuman, @Confused-by-christianity, @SeventyOne, @Maria Billingsley, @Friedrich Rubinstein, @Jord Simcha, @JacksBratt , @rturner76, @plain jayne, @friend of

Thank you for letting me @ you, will you take time to read this short summary of my belief, though my mind may never change on it.

My belief is that God will be able to have his will met which is to have all to come the knowledge of the truth about his Son.

(Also believe you can build your spiritual body up through faith, reading word of God, prayer, forgiveness, kindness, peace, patience, love, and building the spirit that resides in you instead of giving into the flesh now while you are on earth.)

That people even after this life have a chance to be with God, though however it seems that people after this life would be resurrected outside of the Heavenly Jerusalem, which is not completely separation from God just the unbelievers are outside of the Heavenly Jerusalem. (Rev22)

These gates never shut out anyone, so would it be possible even after this life as a person who is resurrected in a corrupted spiritual body that is given by God, able to turn and see the light from the Heavenly Jerusalem? To be able to come to the truth ?

Speaking on this morning with a friend, he calls me naive, and ignorant. It hurts to have different belief yet be seen as naive and ignorant from someone you just desire to get along with.

Though why should, it be that I question God and his judgement on people and their judgement being resurrected to life, or to condemnation/damnation.

To have them outside of the city, to be still alive at least to some degree or another, in a spiritual body that is given and pleasing to God not to be able to seek and notice the failures and come turning back willingly towards God.

God is love after all, and also justice (would justice serve to the decision of the type of resurrection?)

Agallagher said:

These gates never shut out anyone

Click to expand...

The verse says that no unclean thing shall pass through them. Reprobates are unclean

Rose2020 said:

I debated about posting this but I'm just curious,.. am I the only Christian on here who believes that through the sacrifice of Christ unbelievers can still be saved after they're judged? Or are there others on here as well? (Please don't try and get me to change my views because it isn't going to work and that's not what this thread is about.)

Click to expand...

When unbelievers are judged (at the great white throne) that is not a judgment to see if they go to the lake of fire. The judgment is to determined their level or position in the lake of fire. The judgment is based of of works not sins, the better a person was in their earthly life, the better their position in the lake of fire.