Covenant and New Covenant theology

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You are ignoring the New Covenant in an effort to make your Two Peoples of God doctrine work.
The Gentiles are included in the New Covenant, based on the passage found below.


2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


You are ignoring what Paul said in Romans 9. It was not a "mystery" to Hosea that the Gentiles would be included in the people of God.

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


You are ignoring the fact that Paul called himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion in Romans 11:1-5.


You are ignoring the fact that James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his "brethren" in the "faith" in James 1:1-3.


The only way to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work is by ignoring certain passages of scripture.

At one time my wife and I attended a Dispensational Bible Church. We were there for about five years.
During that entire time we never heard a Sunday School lesson, or a sermon on the New Covenant.
Now I know why.


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I realized you are really fond of anticipating revelation.

I will say this again, hopefully for the final time to you, the mystery revelation that Paul received from the ascended Christ, was unknown to Peter and the others in early Acts.
 
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I realized you are really fond of anticipating revelation.

I will say this again, hopefully for the final time to you, the mystery revelation that Paul received from the ascended Christ, was unknown to Peter and the others in early Acts.


What you say is not the source of truth on this forum.

What did God say through the Apostle Paul in the passage below?


Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED."
Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.


Your attempts to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work through what you say reveal the doctrine for what it really is. It is a man-made doctrine, which is about 200 years old. Its origin can be found in the claims of the Jesuit book "Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" by Manuel Lacunza. The book was later translated into English by Edward Irving, and was presented at the Albury prophetic conferences around 1820. After Irving died of TB during 1834, John Darby adopted the doctrine and became its greatest salesman. It was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread like a virus through the evangelical Church, especially in the United Sates.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf


Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf


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What you say is not the source of truth on this forum.

What did God say through the Apostle Paul in the passage below?


Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Rom 9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea: "I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, AND HER BELOVED, WHO WAS NOT BELOVED."
Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED.


Your attempts to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work through what you say reveal the doctrine for what it really is. It is a man-made doctrine, which is about 200 years old. Its origin can be found in the claims of the Jesuit book "Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty" by Manuel Lacunza. The book was later translated into English by Edward Irving, and was presented at the Albury prophetic conferences around 1820. After Irving died of TB during 1834, John Darby adopted the doctrine and became its greatest salesman. It was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread like a virus through the evangelical Church, especially in the United Sates.


PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf


Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf


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When did Paul write Romans?
 
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The new covenant could not have begun until he died on the cross (Hebrews 9:16).
True....it basically went into effect at His death.....but Jesus changed His will (so to speak) prior to dying on the Cross....and He and His disciples were spreading that message during His ministry and the disciples continued for the 40 years after His death.

Those from the 12 tribes were no longer assured of their inheritance through the old covenant......but could be grafted in to the new will just like everyone else - through the promise....through faith.
 
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When was the book of Hosea written?


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That reasoning is as logical as saying that, because Isaiah wrote chapter 53, he understood there and then, that the son of God had to die on the cross for everyone's sins.

And I guess the OT prophets and him also forgot to pass on that understanding such that Peter ended up being so disillusioned that he renounced knowing his Lord, and no one was camping outside the tomb on Sunday, and counting down to Jesus's expected resurrection from the dead? (Luke 18:31-34)
 
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True....it basically went into effect at His death.....but Jesus changed His will (so to speak) prior to dying on the Cross....and He and His disciples were spreading that message during His ministry and the disciples continued for the 40 years after His death.

I already quoted to you Luke 18:34 but I see that you are continuing to insist the 12 could preach a message they neither understood and when Peter even rebuked Jesus for saying that.

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
 
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That reasoning is as logical as saying that, because Isaiah wrote chapter 53, he understood there and then, that the son of God had to die on the cross for everyone's sins.


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


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Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


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Congrats, you are able to now learn not to anticipate revelation.

Would you now agree that the 12, after Jesus resurrected, understood so much more than compared to what they could before the cross?

Now, apply that same attitude towards the mysteries that the ascended Christ revealed first to Paul, and we are set.
 
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Congrats, you are able to now learn not to anticipate revelation.

Would you now agree that the 12, after Jesus resurrected, understood so much more than compared to what they could before the cross?

Now, apply that same attitude towards the mysteries that the ascended Christ revealed first to Paul, and we are set.



Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


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Amen, the gospel revealed to Paul is the only gospel that saves now.
 
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Pastor John Otis reveals the truth about the two kingdoms doctrine below.

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John Otis was criticizing Clarence Larkin, 1850-1924, dispensationalist, and in doing so mentioned his charts. So I looked those up on google. One of Larkin's charts purpose was to illustrate the different dispensations which he made as a series of circles. It took me a while to understand what he was doing.

I am not a dispensationalist, but futurist, so I don't try to remember what all the dispensations are that dispensationalists hold.

Clarence Larkin also made a chart on the book of Daniel.

And another chart on the book of Revelation. Which I found interesting that he got it right concerning where the 10 horns go on the beast image in Revelation 13. Larkin has them all on one head.

What he got wrong was labeling the beast "the Antichrist". I annotate on my chart - the body of the beast is the beast kingdom. The one head with the horns is the former little horn person, (who also is the former Antichrist person) at that time.

Keep in mind, Larkin made all of his charts by hand, and without the aid of the internet for research.



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Completely independent separate from Larkin's interpretation, my chart of the beast coming out of the sea is the same.

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Amen, the gospel revealed to Paul is the only gospel that saves now.


If you think the Gospel preached by Paul is different than the Gospel preached by Peter, you need to throw your Scofield Reference Bible in the trash.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


Pastor Joe Major preaching on Dispensational Theology:


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True....it basically went into effect at His death.....but Jesus changed His will (so to speak) prior to dying on the Cross....and He and His disciples were spreading that message during His ministry and the disciples continued for the 40 years after His death.

Those from the 12 tribes were no longer assured of their inheritance through the old covenant......but could be grafted in to the new will just like everyone else - through the promise....through faith.

I already quoted to you Luke 18:34 but I see that you are continuing to insist the 12 could preach a message they neither understood and when Peter even rebuked Jesus for saying that.

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Luke 18 is dealing with the issue of Jesus's death on the Cross. It's true - as you're pointing out it says in v.34 - they were not expecting their Messiah to die. They did seem to expect a kingdom on earth. I believe that all demonstrates progressive revelation. God revealed to them what was necessary at the time. What truly demonstrates that are Saul's/Paul's conversion and Peter’s....both in 34 AD....the end of the 490 years set aside for Daniel's people. Right on time (God's timetable).

In 26/27 AD....the people in Jerusalem and all of Judea were expecting their Messiah....and that's why John the baptizer had gathered such a huge following in the wilderness. The ax was already at the stump.....times were changing:

Matthew 3:10
The axe lies ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

 
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Amen, the gospel revealed to Paul is the only gospel that saves now.
And what was revealed to Saul/Paul was also revealed to Peter (at just the appropriate time):

Acts 10
34. Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
 
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Luke 18 is dealing with the issue of Jesus's death on the Cross. It's true - as you're pointing out it says in v.34 - they were not expecting their Messiah to die. They did seem to expect a kingdom on earth. I believe that all demonstrates progressive revelation. God revealed to them what was necessary at the time. What truly demonstrates that are Saul's/Paul's conversion and Peter’s....both in 34 AD....the end of the 490 years set aside for Daniel's people. Right on time (God's timetable).

In 26/27 AD....the people in Jerusalem and all of Judea were expecting their Messiah....and that's why John the baptizer had gathered such a huge following in the wilderness. The ax was already at the stump.....times were changing:

Matthew 3:10
The axe lies ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.


So you do agree the gospel the 12 were preaching, while Jesus was on earth, cannot be 1 cor 15:1-4 correct?

What gospel do you think they were preaching then?
 
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If you think the Gospel preached by Paul is different than the Gospel preached by Peter, you need to throw your Scofield Reference Bible in the trash.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


Pastor Joe Major preaching on Dispensational Theology:


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I have never heard of Scofeld until people tell me about him, nor have his reference bible. He is not a Mid Acts dispy, I learn from Cornelius R Stam and Les Feldick.

You don't need any of Scofeld stuff, just read your Bible. I have already stated the following to you, using Scripture

there is a difference between preaching
  • In wickedness, you have killed your Messiah but God raised him from the dead as a sign that he is truly the Son of God, so repent of that wicked deed and be water baptized, and you will be saved from your sins in the future. (Acts 2:36 Acts 3:14-21 Acts 5:30 Acts 7:52 )
versus
  • Christ has died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Another example is Phillip, Acts 8:37 tells you what he was preaching to the eunuch

“If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

which is the first bullet point.

Note he did not say, I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose again on the 3rd day for my justification.

For your last 2 questions, of course Jesus Christ is the son of God. But my point was that, believing in that alone now is not sufficient to save you now.

Israel did not have to believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins, unlike us, because as Peter stated in Acts 3:19-21, their sins will only be forgiven/remitted in the future when Jesus come back for them again.

I mean, if you are willing to understand scripture as it literally says without inserting Paul inside, John 20:31 is an obvious clue. Even after Christ rose from the dead, John did not tell Israel that their life comes from believing 1 Cor 15:1-4.

Instead he repeated the gospel of the kingdom, Israel needed to believe that he is the Son of God, that is where they may have life. Notice the term is "may have" and not they will have life now, unlike what Paul would tell us.

For Israel, their salvation only comes in the future, a point repeated by Peter James and John numerous times in their letters placed at the end of the NT, for example 1 Peter 4:17-18
 
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And what was revealed to Saul/Paul was also revealed to Peter (at just the appropriate time):

Acts 10
34. Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

If you want to believe, by Acts 10:34, Peter understood everything that Paul was talking in Romans to Philemon, which includes the rapture, the Body of Christ, that the Law was nailed to the cross, that is your choice, I can respect that, even though I disagree.

But would you agree now that, in Acts 2 and 3, he was preaching only to the nation Israel, and he was clear that he is not to be associated with Gentiles?
 
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So you do agree the gospel the 12 were preaching, while Jesus was on earth, cannot be 1 cor 15:1-4 correct?

What gospel do you think they were preaching then?
I agree.....the Resurrection hadn't happened yet, so they weren't preaching about that.

I have trouble with how you're framing the question. There's ONE Gospel.....it's just that it was revealed in part.

While Jesus was still alive, I believe the focus was that He was the anticipated Messiah....the Son of David.....and as John the baptizer announced Him as:

John 1:29 ~ The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Likely reminding them of:

Zechariah 13:1
On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the residents of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.

Numbers 7:27
one young bull, one ram, and one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering;
 
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And what was revealed to Saul/Paul was also revealed to Peter (at just the appropriate time):

Acts 10
34. Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
I agree.....the Resurrection hadn't happened yet, so they weren't preaching about that.

I have trouble with how you're framing the question. There's ONE Gospel.....it's just that it was revealed in part.

While Jesus was still alive, I believe the focus was that He was the anticipated Messiah....the Son of David.....and as John the baptizer announced Him as:

John 1:29 ~ The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Likely reminding them of:

Zechariah 13:1
On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the residents of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.

Numbers 7:27
one young bull, one ram, and one male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering;

The last 2 passages cannot be true since peter rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die. None of the 12 understood why Jesus had to die.

You claim you understood progressive revelation so why infer something that scripture clearly indicated otherwise?

Are you aware that the ot prophets stated that A king was promised to Israel that will come from the loins of David and will usher them to the promised kingdom on earth?

That is the gospel of the kingdom
 
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