Futurist Only So wait.. there's a dedicated altar and ritual sacrifices being performed again NOW?

Jamdoc said:

The bible DOES prophesy about a rebuilt temple, and an end of sacrifices (which means they have to begin again, which apparently has begun again) preceding the Great Tribulations.

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Jamdoc said:

I'm not taking part in it, I'm seeing it as a sign of the times and that Jesus will return soon. Daniel 12:11 says that the daily sacrifices will stop when the abomination of desolation occurs.

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Jamdoc said:

Appealing to authority is a bad thing. Let God be true, but every man a liar.
I don't care about "great theologians" if they consider the Abomination of Desolation to be in time of Antiochus they are a fool, because Jesus treated it as a future tense event in His day. To consider his interpretation correct is to call Jesus a liar or a fool

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sovereigngrace said:

Daniel 9:27 says, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

This whole passage is focused upon Calvary and the irreversible effect it had on Israel’s religious sacrifices and the oblations. The first thing we see is that in God’s economy it caused them to cease. In the economy of the religious Jews at the time of Calvary they stubbornly and sinfully continued to practice their sacrifices. The whole focus of Jewish religious worship was centered on the temple. It was here that the Jews came to make their typical atoning sacrifices.

From this passage, it is clear that it is the nature and exercise and of these abominations that causes the desolation to occur. It is evidently the gross wickedness of these abominations that draws God’s wrath upon the temple. Also, for the fury of God to be justly focused on the temple (the center of Jewish worship), the Jewish people, who this prophecy was primarily directed towards, must perpetrate them. It cannot relate to the practices of others, especially the heathen, who had NO part in or responsible for or to the temple.

While the rebuilding of the city was to occur within the 70 weeks (the first 7 weeks specifically) the date of the final destruction of the temple – which resulted from the once all-sufficient sacrifice for sin (in the midst of the 70th week) as predicted in Daniel 9:24 – is NOT specified. It says, “for (or because of) the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the temple and its now obsolete ordinances).”

“The overspreading of abominations” was the rebellious continuing of the now abolished temple sacrifices by the Jews. And despite God allowing them time to repent in the intervening 40-year period (AD 30-AD 70), they stubbornly rebelled. The blasphemous continuing of the old order – the abolished (imperfect) sacrifices – occasioned the destruction of the temple – 40 being a perfect probationary period. When the practicing of the temple sacrifices had reached their allotted time-span, God destroyed them and the temple.

Hebrew scholar E.B. Pussey in his classic work ‘Daniel the Prophet’ interprets this passage directly from the original, “upon the pinnacle of abominations a desolator, and that, until decreed desolation be outpoured upon the desolated.”

He therefore expressly reveals that the abominations are the specific cause of the destruction of the temple and that it is when they have reached their pinnacle, and because they have reached their zenith or apex, which was 40 years after Calvary, that the destruction arrived.

Pussey rightly says, in relation to the actual identity of the abominations, “Only desecration from within could make it ‘a pinnacle of abominations’.” Therefore, we must conclude that the abominations related to false practices carried out by the Jews; and that these false practices where administered within the temple thus attracting the fury and wrath of God upon the temple. It can therefore point us to no other matter than the blasphemous continuation of the abolished sacrifices, in clear violation to God’s merciful once all-sufficient sacrifice.

The “desolation” is not within the 70 weeks, please read it. The desolation is the consequence of what happened in the midst of the week – Calvary. Daniel 9:27 says, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

The duration of this desolation lasts until the Lord’s glorious Second Advent. This reading declares, “he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation.”

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sovereigngrace said:

I removed that remark. It was not my heart to insult you. Sorry.

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keras said:

Over Jerusalem the Glory of the Lord will appear:

Isaiah 60:1-7 Arise! Shine, Jerusalem, for your light has come – over you the glory of the Lord has dawned. Though darkness covers the earth, on you the Lord shines. Over you His glory will appear. Nations and kings will come to your light. Look – your sons and daughters are coming from afar, all assembling in the Land. You will rejoice at the sight. The wealth of nations will be yours. Droves of camels laden with treasure will come and flocks of sheep will cover the Land, acceptable offerings for My altar and to enhance the splendor of My Temple.

Isaiah 60:8-11 Who are these that sail along like clouds? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands bringing your children from far away, their treasures with them, for the honor of the Holy One of Israel. In My wrath, I struck you down, now in My favor I show you pity. Foreigners and kings will work for you.

Isaiah 60:12-18 For the nation that refuses to serve you will perish, there will be widespread devastation among such nations. The glory of Lebanon shall come to you, to adorn My holy sanctuary. All who reviled you shall pay you homage, calling Jerusalem “The City of the Lord”. I shall give My Land and people everlasting renown. You will receive the best gifts from kings and the nations. Then you will acknowledge that your Redeemer is the Mighty One of Israel. For copper you shall have gold, for iron, silver. You will live in peace and righteousness will rule over you. No more will havoc and ruin be within your borders. Your walls will be deliverance and your gates, praise.

Isaiah 60:19-22 The sun and moon will no longer be your light, for the Lord will be your everlasting light. Your days of mourning will be ended. The Lords people, all of them righteous, will possess the Land forever. They are My own planting, the work of My hands for My adornment. The few will become a great nation.

At the appointed time, I, the Lord, will bring this swiftly to pass.
Ref. REB. Some verses abridged.


This prophecy of Isaiah, speaks of the time, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, when every faithful Christian will gather into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

‘darkness covers the earth’, It may be months before the smoke and ash from the ‘widespread devastation’ of the direct hit by a massive CME sunstrike clears. Zephaniah 2:4-5, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Joel 1:15-20

‘The Lord’s people, all of them righteous, assembling from the coasts and islands’, Ezekiel 20:34. Every born again Christian, all who stood firm in their faith, Luke 21:34-36, will travel on every type of transport to the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107

‘Over you, His Glory will appear’, His Glory, not his presence. ‘Then you will acknowledge your Redeemer’. The Return of Jesus to reign for the Millennium is to come later.

‘The wealth of nations will be yours’, This was done before; at the first Exodus, the Israelites took treasure from the Egyptians. Exodus 11:2

‘The splendor of My Temple’, One of the first projects of the new inhabitants of Beulah, will be to build the third Temple. The temple mount will have been cleared and cleansed by the fires and earthquakes of this CME. Zechariah 6:15

Isaiah 60:19, refers to the time after the Millennium. Revelation 21:23-24

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Jamdoc said:

Appealing to authority is a bad thing. Let God be true, but every man a liar.
I don't care about "great theologians" if they consider the Abomination of Desolation to be in time of Antiochus they are a fool, because Jesus treated it as a future tense event in His day. To consider his interpretation correct is to call Jesus a liar or a fool

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JacksBratt said:

Welcome back "Keras"..

Is it not going to be mighty crowded in the promised land.. with all the Christians gathering there?

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sovereigngrace said:

The temple in 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 11:1-2 is used in a symbolic manner to describe the Church.

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Jamdoc said:

and John wrote Revelation at the end of the first century and the temple had been destroyed

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Jamdoc said:

Finally got around to watching this, very informative and interesting, and it'd just be ironic if millions of people have been praying and weeping at the wall of a Roman fortress, the Romans who destroyed the temple, rather than the temple itself

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Jamdoc said:

There's no interpretation needed.
Matthew 24:15-22
Go ahead, tell me how Jesus is telling His disciples to be warned of something that happened 200 years prior, and not referring to a future event from His current time, when He warns about

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sovereigngrace said:

You have such a lovely way with the English language when your doctrine is challenged and you have no answers.

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