Adam and Eve

Running2win said:

Just cause He did not want to sin, does not make Him a robot. The perfect Lamb of God could not sin, because He was God too. God doesn't even entertain sin, it's not in His nature. If He could of sinned then, He could sin in the future and we could all be lost. Is this not true? What changes?

If what you say is true, any "man" could of passed the test. Adam did not- I mean if what you say is true, he could of passed on his own so called "free will". Why didn't he? Because Adams nature was earthy- and made from the earth, he wanted earthy things. Where as Jesus' nature is spiritual, from heaven. The unique God Man Jesus.

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You are free to believe whatever you want. I will leave it at that. I believe that He never used His divinity for Himself, and that if there was no ability to to sin, there was no temptation. What He came to do He came to do as a man. The divinity displayed was only for those times it helped others. And that is the point. He came to show man what man c an do when they use the power of God and the Holy Spirit. Enoch did, and so did Elijah, else they could not have been translated. What no other man could do was bare the sins of the entire world. To believe that He did not sin because He was God, made what Enoch and Elijah did of no merit and is used by people to say they can not live without sin and therefore do not even try. You either believe that with God all things are possible, or you do not.

Rose2020 said:

I'm understanding everything else, and no pain in labor sounds great and not appreciating what God has done for us sounds horrible,.. but I was always confused on how being clothed is actually considered "sinful." I mean would you want everybody to see your junk hanging out of your trunk? (I just looked now and it says you are a male and I feel stupid because all of this time I thought that you were a female lol sorry about that. *Blushes*) As for me,.. I would feel very uncomfortable if I was naked all the time. Especially since I'm engaged.

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Being clothed isn’t sinful, but if Adam and Eve didn’t cause the fall, you wouldn’t have known you were naked. Sounds weird, but it’s true

Rose2020 said:

How could you not know that though?

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Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

They had nothing to be ashamed about for they were innocent and knew no sin. The shame came after they sinned. Had they not sinned, their children would have grown up the same way. It is speculated that they were covered by the light of God. Just being in the presence of God, Moses shown so bright, that the Israelites asked him to veil himself. How much more would these 2 perfect beings shine.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
It is sin that brought about shame, and brought about clothing.

Rose2020 said:

Wait I just realized something. When we think of walking around naked today we think about the fact that people might lust after us,.. but before we knew sin there was no lusting.

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Bingo!

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When the power of death came upon Adam and his wife, they didn't cover their entire body, only their pelvic area. Apparently Eve remained topless; and in many primitive societies, that's still acceptable.

I honestly don't think their reaction had anything to do with lust and/or libido, rather, with a sense of propriety-- i.e. decency --a sense that they didn't have prior to tasting the forbidden fruit.

Grown-ups teach little children about decency because when they're little, kids don't have a "sense" of it. They'd just as soon be nude as not because they aren't old enough yet to be self conscious; which Webster's defines as uncomfortably aware of one's self as an object of the observation of others.

When the first couple tasted the fruit they became sensitive to how they looked to each other. Up to that point, neither was interested in the other's opinion about certain parts of their body. That changed right quick; and to date, no amount of science and/or sophistication has remedied the situation.

What growing boy wouldn't rather have an impressive bulge, and what developing girl wouldn't rather have a busty bosom and a shapely derriere, rather than an IQ of 120? Yes, beauty trumps brains because the so-called fallen nature is so uncomfortably aware of itself as an object of the observation of others.
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Rose2020 said:

So far nobody has answered my question about the fact if there was no physical death, what about overpopulation?

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God would have handled that. In the first place, there is no way to know how long a child would take to reach adulthood, no way to know how fast Adam and Eve would have multiplied. God has a whole universe in His hands -- worlds that have not fallen. He can just create more planets!! There was no fear of them running out of a home.

mmksparbud said:

Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

They had nothing to be ashamed about for they were innocent and knew no sin. The shame came after they sinned. Had they not sinned, their children would have grown up the same way. It is speculated that they were covered by the light of God. Just being in the presence of God, Moses shown so bright, that the Israelites asked him to veil himself. How much more would these 2 perfect beings shine.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
It is sin that brought about shame, and brought about clothing.

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Aprons? Were they serving each other dinner?

pescador said:

Aprons? Were they serving each other dinner?

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Yah, it was the very first Hooters restaurant.

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● Rev 3:18 . . I advise you to buy from me white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed.

Apparently when the dead stand before God to receive their final evaluation per Rev 20:11-15, they will do so in the buff, i.e. in full frontal nudity.

There are quite a few folk comfortable stripped down to their birthday suit in public; in point of fact, some of the overly narcissistic types are happy for opportunities to show off their physical assets. But apparently it's not so easy to be undressed around God. For example: Adam-- the perfect man --when wearing what amounted to his skivvies, was reluctant to be caught in the presence of God dressed like that because to his way of thinking, it wasn't enough.
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Maria Billingsley said:

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh. He walked with Adam and Eve in Eden until the fall.

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Where was God The Father then?

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Where was God The Father then?

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All three are one.

Maria Billingsley said:

All three are one.

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Do you understand how that works?

Lucian Hodoboc said:

Do you understand how that works?

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Yes I do.

Maria Billingsley said:

Yes I do.

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Noibody truly understands it---we will have better understanding of exactly how that works after Jesus returns. Right now, everything is just guessing about it.

mmksparbud said:

Noibody truly understands it---we will have better understanding of exactly how that works after Jesus returns. Right now, everything is just guessing about it.

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Understanding The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is essential in our Christian walk. Regardless of the label put on it which may lead to confusion for some, the three are One. It is not difficult. One can not go to the Father unless they go through the Son and one cannot not recieve the Holy Spirit unless they go through the Son. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh. All three work as one in relationship to humanity. Be blessed.

mmksparbud said:

Noibody truly understands it---we will have better understanding of exactly how that works after Jesus returns. Right now, everything is just guessing about it.

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Isaiah 9:6 Is the prophetic word.