Is forced vaccination related to the mark of the beast?

Heavenhome · Aug 26, 2020

lsume said:
I very much believe that all of Christ’s Church will know when the time comes what to do.

That is exactly what I also think.

There is so much speculation but I am sure that we will know exactly what to do when the time comes and not before.
And we will have the courage and strength to endure in Christ until He comes.
Until then we are to be wise and watch and pray.

lsume · Aug 26, 2020

Heavenhome said:
That is exactly what I also think.

There is so much speculation but I am sure that we will know exactly what to do when the time comes and not before.
And we will have the courage and strength to endure in Christ until He comes.
Until then we are to be wise and watch and pray.

When you are sealed in The Holy Spirit, you are sealed until the day of redemption. Everything seems to be spiritual except the physical manifestations that seem to follow spiritual realities.

Heavenhome · Aug 26, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Pastor Chuck Baldwin's sermon this week is related to this topic.

Corona Masks and Vaccines, a Glimpse at the Mark of the Beast:

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What loses me is when you have to purchase something put together by one of these pastors.
To me that is "Scripture plus".

He says if the purchase isn't made you will NEVER understand Bible prophecy.

The Bible is sufficient if it wasnt, God would have added more.

TribulationSigns · Aug 26, 2020

robycop3 said:
Rev. 13: 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I don't think Scripture could be any plainer.

Plainer? Ha!

Revelation 13:11-18 KJV
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Tell me what is any plainer about the beast coming up out of the Earth? Two horns like a lamb but spoke as a dragon? What is any plainer on the beast make fire come down form heaven on earth. What is any plainer that hte beast had power to give life to the IMAGE of the beast so it could speak? What is any plainer to receive a mark in their right hand, and not the left hand? What is any plainer that no man can buy and sell? Buy and sell WHAT?

Answer those questions. Obviously, it seems to me that it is plain to me that you do not have the wisdom to know what God talks about here. If you do not compare Scripture with Scripture but compare with the flavor of the month in the news.

Your trick of doing as preterists do, reducing literal Scripture to figurative/symbolic status won't work.

First I am not preterists (any doctrine of preterism is false). The second figurative is foolishness to the natural man. You are a good example of 1Co 2:14.

Tis YOU who is offering nothing but speculation & guesswork against the truth of God's word.

Really? Unlike you, I have not the only quoted but compared Scripture in my post. Seems that you have not yet refuted my post. You and BAB remained refuted.

fewme · Aug 26, 2020

NoNameNothing said:
That comparison to those things is absolutely Ridiculous! I would Not put my Trust in Governmental Edicts these days... Governments allied with Big-Corporations (some of them, are even Bigger than Governments) Also, some of these Governments do Not even acknowledge Jesus-Christ. These Corporations and Governments are U.N & W.H.O-Controlled also...How can you even Trust any Mainstream Media either, controlled by Anti-Christian entities, who Have been caught out telling People everywhere bare-faced lies in the past.

The Scottish are going to launch a giant ball of porridge from Glasgow. It will strike first Boston, England, then Shoreham by Sea, skipping everything else. How can you even Trust any Mainstream Media either, controlled by Anti-Christian entities, who Have been caught out telling People everywhere bare-faced lies in the past.

See? Distrust in the media gives me the right to make up my own stuff for fun and profit

TribulationSigns · Aug 26, 2020

Steve_K said:
The covid vaccines and proof of vaccination are NOT the mark of the beast, but merely another step in the progression towards it. There will be more cataclysmic earth shaking events that will make the mark more urgent and 'necessary' in the coming years.

LOL...You are waiting for a horrible physical event so that a physical mark, specially for your physical right hand or forehead will be necessary?! Oh, brother.

Professed Christians before you thought the same thing! They believe it was a tattoo, cash, credit card, bar codes, microchip, and now COVID-19 vaccine, etc. It is endless of false prediction and doctrine about the mark of the beast THINKING it has to be a physical mark of some sort. Foolishness! They do NOT know how to compare Scripture with Scripture to find God's definition of the mark, right hand, forehead, beast, horns, lamb, dragon, etc. etc. YOu need to study Scripture!

Revelation 14:1 KJV
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

No one I know believes all Christians will literally and physically have the names of Jesus and the father tattooed on their foreheads. This is simply a way of describing that those born again and redeemed by Christ's blood belong to him and to his Father and are preserved in faith by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

ON the other side of the coin, those people who receive "mark" on their foreheads (mind) or on their right hand (will) as a sign that they belong to the beast and are loyal to him. This "mark" on their foreheads or on their right hand is simply Satan's way of mimicking the seal of God upon His People. If you have the name of Jesus and God the Father written on your forehead, it simply means that they OWN you, that you BELONG to them, that you are loyal to the Lord God Almighty. Nothing to do with a physical seal, mark, tattoo, etc. But if you have "the name of the beast" written on your forehead, it signifies that he owns you and your mind, that you belong to him. This is a spiritual mark of a family of Satan. Selah!

claninja · Aug 26, 2020

BABerean2 said:
The goal is deception. The source is found below.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Using scripture to interpret scripture demonstrates that this passage is in regards to Israel. Applying it to a theoretical future one world government is personal interpretation.

Revelation 18:26 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Matthew 23:34-36 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Where do the gospels and/or epistles warn of a future one world government?

BABerean2 said:
If you think the U.N. charter is founded on the principles of freedom, compare it to the United States Constitution.
Is the source of authority the people, or is it government?

It's founded on principles of internationalal peace, protecting human rights, and upholding international law.

What We Do

Now if that changes to become an oppressive dictatorship or regime, then I would agree with you. However, what evidence do you have that it is looking to change its current principles, besides your interpretation of a highly symbolic book (revelation)?

BABerean2 said:
Go to China to an underground church to find out what a government can do to those who belong to Christ.

Read the book "Tortured for Christ" by Richard Wurmbrand, to find out what totalitarian governments can do to Christians.

Do we have a short memory of the atrocities of the past

No disagreements that Christians have been persecuted by totalitarian governments.

However, what evidence, besides using your own interpretation from revelation, do you have that shows a government is going to use covid-19 to bring about a 1 world regime like china's?

BABerean2 said:
or is it wishful thinking to believe that a Godless United Nations can bring about World peace?

I don't believe the U.N can bring about world peace. It's an imperfect institution as all human governments are. But that doesn't mean that world peace should not be a goal, even for those who do not believe in God. As Paul even states, those who do not have the law, but yet follow the law, show that the law is written on their hearts and their consciences bear witness to this.

Romans 2:14-15 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them

BABerean2 said:
During October of 2019 the Gates Foundation in cooperation with Johns Hopkins did a simulation of a Global Pandemic. One of the key concerns of that event was the control of information.
Judge the following for yourself, based on what we were initially told about COVID-19, and now based on the true death rate.
Plandemic, Part 2

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More misinformation. This has been fact checked and debunked:

New 'Plandemic' Video Peddles Misinformation, Conspiracies - FactCheck.org

As Christians who preach that Christ is the way the truth and the life, it seems counterintuitive to also promote false information.

robycop3 · Aug 26, 2020

TribulationSigns said:
Plainer? Ha!

Revelation 13:11-18 KJV
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Tell me what is any plainer about the beast coming up out of the Earth? Two horns like a lamb but spoke as a dragon? What is any plainer on the beast make fire come down form heaven on earth. What is any plainer that hte beast had power to give life to the IMAGE of the beast so it could speak? What is any plainer to receive a mark in their right hand, and not the left hand? What is any plainer that no man can buy and sell? Buy and sell WHAT?

Answer those questions. Obviously, it seems to me that it is plain to me that you do not have the wisdom to know what God talks about here. If you do not compare Scripture with Scripture but compare with the flavor of the month in the news.

First I am not preterists (any doctrine of preterism is false). The second figurative is foolishness to the natural man. You are a good example of 1Co 2:14.

Really? Unlike you, I have not the only quoted but compared Scripture in my post. Seems that you have not yet refuted my post. You and BAB remained refuted.

Well, at LEAST you agree with me that preterism is false.

But you ignore the fact that both beasts are called 'he'. And Rev. 17 shows the first beast represents both the first beast & his empire. And the Scriptures you quote start out with a little symbolism, then become literal. An actual beast can't cause people to do anything, but a man ruling over people CAN.

This beast is the prince mentioned in Dan. 9:26 & the man of sin mentioned by Paul in 2 Thess.2:4.

You may not be a preterist, but you're doing the SAME THING prets do-try to twist some Scriptures in a vain attempt to justify a false doctrine.

NoNameNothing · Aug 26, 2020

fewme said:
The Scottish are going to launch a giant ball of porridge from Glasgow. It will strike first Boston, England, then Shoreham by Sea, skipping everything else. How can you even Trust any Mainstream Media either, controlled by Anti-Christian entities, who Have been caught out telling People everywhere bare-faced lies in the past.

See? Distrust in the media gives me the right to make up my own stuff for fun and profit

BABerean2 · Aug 26, 2020

claninja said:
Using scripture to interpret scripture demonstrates that this passage is in regards to Israel. Applying it to a theoretical future one world government is personal interpretation.

Revelation 18:26 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Matthew 23:34-36 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Where do the gospels and/or epistles warn of a future one world government?

It's founded on principles of internationalal peace, protecting human rights, and upholding international law.

What We Do

Now if that changes to become an oppressive dictatorship or regime, then I would agree with you. However, what evidence do you have that it is looking to change its current principles, besides your interpretation of a highly symbolic book (revelation)?

No disagreements that Christians have been persecuted by totalitarian governments.

However, what evidence, besides using your own interpretation from revelation, do you have that shows a government is going to use covid-19 to bring about a 1 world regime like china's?

I don't believe the U.N can bring about world peace. It's an imperfect institution as all human governments are. But that doesn't mean that world peace should not be a goal, even for those who do not believe in God. As Paul even states, those who do not have the law, but yet follow the law, show that the law is written on their hearts and their consciences bear witness to this.

Romans 2:14-15 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them

More misinformation. This has been fact checked and debunked:

New 'Plandemic' Video Peddles Misinformation, Conspiracies - FactCheck.org

As Christians who preach that Christ is the way the truth and the life, it seems counterintuitive to also promote false information.

I really hope you are correct. I want to be wrong on this.

However, I have been studying the push for global government for over 30 years. Those promoting the idea have plainly stated their goals, in their own words. They do not desire to have the whole world under a system like the United States Constitution.

I hope our freedoms stay intact.

I hope Walter Cronkite and the World Federalists were just joking about sitting at the right hand of Satan, and bringing about a one world government.
Cronkite said our nation would have to give up some of its sovereignty. What do you think he had in mind? Could that sacrifice of freedom effect you?

I hope Satan is not released from the pit to deceive the whole world.

I hope the Baphomet statue placed in Detroit during the last few years is nothing for Christians to be concerned about.

I hope the Bible burning in Portland recently was just a fluke.

I hope the United States in not now the Divided States of America.

I hope the country will not come apart at the seams after the election in November.

I hope there is not a collapse of the U.S. economy due to the mountain of debt. Christian author Larry Burkett's book "The Coming Economic Earthquake" says it is a mathematical certainty, sooner or later.

However, I have placed my final hope in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

I hope you are correct on all points, and I also hope the warning above is not necessary.

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NoNameNothing · Aug 26, 2020

BABerean2 said:
I really hope you are correct. I want to be wrong on this.

However, I have been studying the push for global government for over 30 years. Those promoting the idea have plainly stated their goals, in their own words. They do not desire to have the whole world under a system like the United States Constitution.

I hope our freedoms stay intact.

I hope Walter Cronkite and the World Federalists were just joking about sitting at the right hand of Satan, and bringing about a one world government.
Cronkite said our nation would have to give up some of its sovereignty. What do you think he had in mind? Could that sacrifice of freedom effect you?

I hope Satan is not released from the pit to deceive the whole world.

I hope the Baphomet statue placed in Detroit during the last few years is nothing for Christians to be concerned about.

I hope the Bible burning in Portland recently was just a fluke.

I hope the United States in not now the Divided States of America.

I hope the country will not come apart at the seams after the election in November.

I hope there is not a collapse of the U.S. economy due to the mountain of debt. Christian author Larry Burkett's book "The Coming Economic Earthquake" says it is a mathematical certainty, sooner or later.

However, I have placed my final hope in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

I hope you are correct on all points, and I also hope the warning above is not necessary.

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NoNameNothing · Aug 26, 2020

I hate to be negative, but, the momentum is there... I don't see America getting any better or the U.K for that matter, where I live. The folks above the Governments, who truly have the Power, have set all of this in motion. Its depressing to read about or watch on YT or wherever... Still, being informed Rightly is very important! (though lately I'm avoiding immersing myself in it all, as it is not necessarily helpful. I've felt despair and despondent at times, in the last 5 months.) I'm opening up the Book a whole lot more, as I have to get Right with God and even that I don't know how to do properly. I wasn't living for God, for a number of Years, yet aware of what might be coming upon the World. Pray for me.

rumitoid · Aug 26, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Can governments force you to be vaccinated?

Can they also force you to take a digital tattoo to prove you have been vaccinated?

The following is a debate between Robert Kennedy Jr., who is the son of JFKs brother, and attorney Alan Dershowitz, who recently defended the president against impeachment.

Deshowitz has said the government has a right to hold you down, and plunge a needle into your arm. He is one of the president's lawyers.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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I can understand your concern, and you seem to have a good grasp of Scripture, however, vaccinations save lives, little children lives. In the long history of Civilization diseases were a cause to lose faith or practice witchcraft or howl at the moon. Vaccination liberates us to praise God for his mercy and insight.

TribulationSigns · Aug 26, 2020

robycop3 said:
Well, at LEAST you agree with me that preterism is false.

I knew preterism was false before I came here and give LittleLamb a hard time. So no I did not "agree" with you. I knew it.

But you ignore the fact that both beasts are called 'he'.

So what? The lamb is a 'he' too. We, believers, are part of his body.

Hebrews 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all.

The second beast is a body of unsaved people professed to be Christians. I can see that you have not yet explained the two horns upon the beast like a lamb means to you. It is not talking about one man like you believe. They thought they are christians but are not because they buy and sell the doctrines that come out of the dragon's mouth.

And Rev. 17 shows the first beast represents both the first beast & his empire.

Verse and context, please. Do you even know what you are talking about?

And the Scriptures you quote start out with a little symbolism, then become literal.

So you "admit" that it started out as little symbolism but insisted it has become literal? Funny!

An actual beast can't cause people to do anything, but a man ruling over people CAN.

Again, the BODY of the beast makes up of people who have been deceived. Not a single man or a single country.

This beast is the prince mentioned in Dan. 9:26

Big mistake. The Messiah the PRINCE, according to context is Jesus Christ. Period. Not evil prince and "man of sin"

You may not be a preterist, but you're doing the SAME THING prets do-try to twist some Scriptures in a vain attempt to justify a false doctrine.

Says a man who have not yet refuted my position with Scripture. You remained refuted.

TribulationSigns · Aug 26, 2020

rumitoid said:
I can understand your concern, and you seem to have a good grasp of Scripture

Really, quote popular Revelation 13 verses itself then adding youtube video does not give this man a good grasp of Scripture. He has not even compared it with the rest of Scripture.

The Righterzpen · Aug 26, 2020

Dave L said:
The mark is not literal. It's a form of patriotism to a wicked church/state as the Reformers depicted in their day.

1948.

BABerean2 said:
Could it be similar to bowing down to an image, as in the days of Daniel?

Dave L said:
If patriotism is a form of State worship, then yes.

Yet it's not just one nation; note who are linked together. Who's who in the world of "allies"?

Running2win said:
They reject Jesus (being the son of God) and God the Father

Running2win said:
I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” 5There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

What is the one religion on earth that denies the importance of Jesus Christ?

pdudgeon said:
Biblically it is entirely probable that such a mark of satan would indeed be literal.

Follow the money.

Dave L said:
Seen any red dragons lately?

Follow the FED.

eleos1954 said:
The mark of the beast is about worship .... not a vaccine.

And we have a BINGO!

Running2win said:
They are not bowing down to an idol over in Mecca.

And what is that wall in Jerusalem?

archer75 said:
Can we wait for the vaccine to exist before we worry about this?

And can we raise the question as to the efficacy of vaccines for coronaviruses and how even natural immunity "maxes" at about two years? Watch for reports of reinfections.

eastcoast_bsc said:
Did you watch the video? Robert Kennedy had a compelling argument. The argument is can you compel by force that an individual take a vaccine. If the answer is yes then what is the constitutional argument to support that.

"We the people in order to form a more perfect union...... PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE AND....."

Beanieboy said:
Like when I and everyone else was "forced" to have the smallpox vaccine?

And a polio vaccine.

Chris35 said:
Everyone who wants it will get it anyway, giving protection against the coronavirus, therefore those who dont want the vaccine, arent exactly posing much of a risk to those who have taken it, they are only a risk to others who have chosen not to take the vaccine. Which is what they have accepted and chosen in the first place by not taking the vaccine.

Which length of immunity draws into question efficacy. Evidence is now starting to "leak" of reinfections in 3 to 4 months. Covid could very well be the "Boardwalk" in the "Monopoly" of medicine for vaccine manufactures!

robycop3 said:
It also will involve financial control.

Follow the money!

Steve_K said:
This is not some obscure conspiracy theory, it's out in plain sight and they openly admit it.

Event 201
Crimson Contagion
When did the coronavirus economic stimulus bill begin its journey through congress?

BABerean2 said:
The globalists are using COVID-19 to bring about their agenda.

During 2019 many financial advisors were saying 2020 would be the year of the global economic "reset".

Any nation that prints money out of thin air, and tells healthy people to stay at home, is already a socialist nation.

Drain the swamp! = Replace these swamp creatures over here with those swamp creatures over there!

TribulationSigns said:
The number 666 has nothing to do with cashless or anything like that. God said to count THAT number itself, and how will you do it? God did not tell you to read the news, sort through YouTube, and throw in some suggestions, BAB! God's interpretation is already there in the Bible and you need to search it out. Not Globalists' news. Get it?

The answer is in the book of Ezra; have you found it yet?

claninja said:
Walter Cronkite claims that Pat Robinson's book argues that a one world government should only be brought about by the return of Jesus, and that any attempt at world order prior to this is through work of satan. Walter Cronkite then jokes about sitting at the right hand of satan.

What is the "world order" that the world federalist association promotes?

When did dispensationalism come about?

BABerean2 said:
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea

Number as the sands of the sea! Where have we seen that one in Scripture before?

BABerean2 said:
During October of 2019 the Gates Foundation in cooperation with Johns Hopkins did a simulation of a Global Pandemic. One of the key concerns of that event was the control of information.
Judge the following for yourself, based on what we were initially told about COVID-19, and now based on the true death rate.

So did the US federal Department of Health. Theirs was called "Crimson Contagion"

Coronavirus Economic Stimulus Bill; began its journey through congress in..... (January of 2019!) :scratch:

claninja said:
Using scripture to interpret scripture demonstrates that this passage is in regards to Israel. Applying it to a theoretical future one world government is personal interpretation.

Babylon Mother of Harlots riding beast number one is indeed a religious system. Who's beast number two? The text gives us a hint. It has "lambs horns" yet "speaks like the dragon".

claninja said:
More misinformation. This has been fact checked and debunked:

About Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019

Crimson Contagion - Wikipedia

robycop3 said:
Well, at LEAST you agree with me that preterism is false.

But you ignore the fact that both beasts are called 'he'. And Rev. 17 shows the first beast represents both the first beast & his empire. And the Scriptures you quote start out with a little symbolism, then become literal. An actual beast can't cause people to do anything, but a man ruling over people CAN.

This beast is the prince mentioned in Dan. 9:26 & the man of sin mentioned by Paul in 2 Thess.2:4.

You may not be a preterist, but you're doing the SAME THING prets do-try to twist some Scriptures in a vain attempt to justify a false doctrine.

John 17:
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

BABerean2 said:
However, I have placed my final hope in the Lord Jesus Christ.

BABerean2 · Aug 26, 2020

rumitoid said:
I can understand your concern, and you seem to have a good grasp of Scripture, however, vaccinations save lives, little children lives. In the long history of Civilization diseases were a cause to lose faith or practice witchcraft or howl at the moon. Vaccination liberates us to praise God for his mercy and insight.

Since I have a degree in Biology, I do understand how many lives vaccinations have saved.

My half brother died of polio when he was in the first grade.

I also understand this year's Flu vaccine will probably work on last year's Flu strain, because RNA viruses often mutate rapidly.

I had the Flu many years ago, but I could get sick from a different strain this week.

Is there a conflict of interest in the production of the current COVID-19 vaccine in the U.S., since Dr. Anthony Fauci has served on a vaccine board sponsored by Bill Gates? Gates has openly stated his desire to vaccinate every human on the planet. Virginia has decided to make the vaccine mandatory.

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Steve_K · Aug 27, 2020

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TribulationSigns · Aug 27, 2020

The Righterzpen said:
The answer is in the book of Ezra; have you found it yet?

You have no answer until you quote the verse in the book of Ezra and explain why you think its an answer.

Speak up.

The Righterzpen · Aug 27, 2020

TribulationSigns said:
You have no answer until you quote the verse in the book of Ezra and explain why you think its an answer.

Speak up.

Ezra 2:13
Ezekiel 9

And start here in "Chapter 2" for the explanation.

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