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Rose2020,

Adam and Eve weren’t the problem. Its Mr. Slytherin who started it all.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella






I knew it! I knew it! There goes Voldemort making trouble again in the muggle world.
 
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I have a different way of thinking about this. I know Gen 2 says "Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame". I wonder when the scripture is saying this that it's meant in a certain sense of the word. That in a way they weren't totally naked in the way that we would think but that they didn't have clothes of the physical. Were they really clothed in the light/energy/ glory of God? To illustrate on the Mt of Transfiguration it says the glory manifested and,

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Matt 17:17

And in Matt 28:1-4 we read at an event where an angel appeared at the Resurrection of Jesus,

There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. Matt 28:1-4

What they saw was what happened when God allows his glory to manifest. So before sin degenerated the spirits of Adam & Eve were they really clothed with God's glory? It still rightly can be said "they were naked" in that they weren't wearing physical clothes but they didn't need them. The glory took care of everything...warmth, protection and covering. I can't say I can absolutely prove what I'm saying but Ps 104: 1-2 does say,

Lord my God, you are very great;you are clothed with splendour and majesty.
The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment; Ps 104:1-2

If God is clothed in garments of LIGHT, which I believe means the GLORY or modern day we'd call it the energy of God why would we think that it'd be different with MANKIND that is in the beginning. When Adam & Eve sinned the glory departed....and they saw themselves as naked, that is without the covering of glory.

The glory will only come with the resurrection body. Adams body was "earthy". They felt no shame in being naked cause they were innocent. Like a child running around naked.

35But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.
 
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I like many of the posts in this thread, and I would like to add a few pointers.
  • Adam and Eve were created immortal, God does not create death, death is the absence of God.
  • Adam and eve were clothed in light, as mentioned in previous threads.
  • Adam and eve lost their light, and their bodies changed from an immortal one to one that ages and eventually dies.
  • The bodies Adam and Eve changed into are nothing more than corpses in various stags of decay, with a living spirit within it. Eventually the body can not continue to live anymore, and the spirit departs.
  • We are borm with the same physical bodies Adam and Eve ended up with, mortal decaying bodies.
  • This is the sin we are born with as mankind, inherrited sin, dying bodies.
  • We as mankind are all sinners already since birth, in the flesh that is weak and not able to be in the presence of God.
  • Yes, God knew Adam and Eve will sin, yes he knew Satan will rebell, but...
God also knew that after thousands of years there will be two entities collected in eternity:
1. Those that rebelkled against Him, that destroyed what He made, that killed, tortured, raped, opressed and all the sins man could practice...
2. Those that learned that God exists, and repented, believed that He came to Earth to save us, and decided to take the promise of everlasting life which He gives out freely to those who loves Him.
The latter will receive again a body such as Adam had, and will live in this body that is without sin, and in His presence.

This is why God made man, allowed sin, and created redemption.
not to force anyone to worship Him, but to come to Him freely.
Greetings in Jesus' Name
 
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Wow, this is the complete question about the meaning of life :D God created humans in His image to have a relationship with us. As I tried to explain above it is necessary for a relationship that the humans were able to choose to trust God. The point of putting the tree there is to give us the freedom of trusting God or not.

God knew exactly that Adam and Eve would eat it - but that was unevitable! God created us to have a relationship with us - for the relationship we need that freedom to choose - that freedom resulted in the humans not trusting God.
You could even put it this way:

The supreme ethic is love. You cannot have love without the freedom of the will. Where there is love there has to be the possibility of freedom, otherwise you can’t love. Where there is freedom there has to be necessarily evil. Where there is evil you have the need of a saviour. Where there is a saviour there is the possibility of redemption. Greatest ethic love – only possible because of freedom – resulting in evil – the need of a saviour – the possibility of redemption.
The Christian world-view is unique in pulling all of these together and it's amazingly logical.

The thing I don't understand is why God allowed the serpent to mislead Eve. God could have stopped Lucifer before he brought the concept of sin into our dimension. As far as I know the Bible does not give an answer to this.

IMO, the whole ball of wax is God wanting to share Himself with His chosen ones. We had to fall in order to know good from evil-which is part of Gods character.

It's just like a family. Children don't know anything at first and then by learning good from evil the world starts to make sense. Then children get where they can think and act on their own and make good or bad choices, learning more all the time.

Finally, they reach maturity and can communicate with their parents and "get it". Everything the parents were trying to tech them.

That is why God made the wicked, to show what evil really is. How would we know without examples? Satan and his counterparts (demons/fallen angels), are the wicked in the spiritual realm.

It's all a learning lab so we will one day be able to fellowship with God with some degree of knowledge of where He is coming from. Then we will learn forever more about everything. Easy Peasy! :oldthumbsup:
 
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If He was born totally incapable of sin, He could never have really been tempted. In order to be tempted, the possi8bility of failure must be present or it is no temptation and He would not have been a suitaqble redemptor for us.

Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He came to show us that we, too, may overcome the same way He did by faith in the power of His Father. The verse you quot34d has nothing to do with Jesus being the Son of God---but of all believers. You have taken one verse and freed it from all the previous and preceding verses. Read it from the start, it is for all believers, for we are then born again in Christ.
You are forgetting His Divine nature that would not "want" to sin, nor could. :) !00% God, 100% man. This is the mystery.
 
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You are forgetting His Divine nature that would not "want" to sin, nor could. :) !00% God, 100% man. This is the mystery.

I am not forgetting. He never used His divinity for His own purpose, only under God's direction for others. At any time, He could have sinned. He did not have a sin nature---but He had free will as a human man, He could have sinned. He chose not to. He was not a robot. He was 100% human when He was tempted, His divinity veiled for He had to endure His trials as a man, not as God---that was the purpose and it makes what He did, all the more awesome.
 
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I am not forgetting. He never used His divinity for His own purpose, only under God's direction for others. At any time, He could have sinned. He did not have a sin nature---but He had free will as a human man, He could have sinned. He chose not to. He was not a robot. He was 100% human when He was tempted, His divinity veiled for He had to endure His trials as a man, not as God---that was the purpose and it makes what He did, all the more awesome.

Just cause He did not want to sin, does not make Him a robot. The perfect Lamb of God could not sin, because He was God too. God doesn't even entertain sin, it's not in His nature. If He could of sinned then, He could sin in the future and we could all be lost. Is this not true? What changes?

If what you say is true, any "man" could of passed the test. Adam did not- I mean if what you say is true, he could of passed on his own so called "free will". Why didn't he? Because Adams nature was earthy- and made from the earth, he wanted earthy things. Where as Jesus' nature is spiritual, from heaven. The unique God Man Jesus.
 
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Gen 3:7 . .Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they perceived that they were naked; and they sewed together fig leaves and made themselves loincloths.

It's believed by a pretty large percentage of Christians that the so-called fallen nature is inherited from one's parents; specifically one's biological father. However; God constructed Eve with material taken from Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since he tasted the fruit after she was born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to Eve by means of procreation.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with their new state of mind; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it, and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that something altered Eve's conscience; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.


FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)

In conclusion: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not passed on by one's biological father nor by one's biological mother. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Serpent-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Serpent's paws off him.

John 14:30 . . He has no hold on me


NOTE: The name "serpent" is certainly appropriate for the Devil seeing as how snakes are typically portrayed in scripture as deadly poisonous; for example Num 21:5-9.
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I like many of the posts in this thread, and I would like to add a few pointers.
  • Adam and Eve were created immortal, God does not create death, death is the absence of God.
  • Adam and eve were clothed in light, as mentioned in previous threads.
  • Adam and eve lost their light, and their bodies changed from an immortal one to one that ages and eventually dies.
  • The bodies Adam and Eve changed into are nothing more than corpses in various stags of decay, with a living spirit within it. Eventually the body can not continue to live anymore, and the spirit departs.
  • We are borm with the same physical bodies Adam and Eve ended up with, mortal decaying bodies.
  • This is the sin we are born with as mankind, inherrited sin, dying bodies.
  • We as mankind are all sinners already since birth, in the flesh that is weak and not able to be in the presence of God.
  • Yes, God knew Adam and Eve will sin, yes he knew Satan will rebell, but...
God also knew that after thousands of years there will be two entities collected in eternity:
1. Those that rebelkled against Him, that destroyed what He made, that killed, tortured, raped, opressed and all the sins man could practice...
2. Those that learned that God exists, and repented, believed that He came to Earth to save us, and decided to take the promise of everlasting life which He gives out freely to those who loves Him.
The latter will receive again a body such as Adam had, and will live in this body that is without sin, and in His presence.

This is why God made man, allowed sin, and created redemption.
not to force anyone to worship Him, but to come to Him freely.
Greetings in Jesus' Name




Do you realize though that if we all were to live forever in our earthly bodies that it would do more harm than good?


Just cause He did not want to sin, does not make Him a robot. The perfect Lamb of God could not sin, because He was God too. God doesn't even entertain sin, it's not in His nature. If He could of sinned then, He could sin in the future and we could all be lost. Is this not true? What changes?

If what you say is true, any "man" could of passed the test. Adam did not- I mean if what you say is true, he could of passed on his own so called "free will". Why didn't he? Because Adams nature was earthy- and made from the earth, he wanted earthy things. Where as Jesus' nature is spiritual, from heaven. The unique God Man Jesus.




Jesus was once God on foot when He walked the earth, but now He's God in spirit. That's the difference. God in the spirit is incapable of sinning, but God in the flesh was definitely capable of it but just chose against it. Like I and somebody else already mentioned, how could He have been tempted if He wasn't capable of it?
 
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Do you realize though that if we all were to live forever in our earthly bodies that it would do more harm than good?
I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.
Oh gosh, I realised I am sounding like a preacher now.
Rephrase.
We will not have a body of matter, but of spirit, and I think it will be a huge ammount of energy.
 
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Gen 3:7 . .Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they perceived that they were naked; and they sewed together fig leaves and made themselves loincloths.

It's believed by a pretty large percentage of Christians that the so-called fallen nature is inherited from one's parents; specifically one's biological father. However; God constructed Eve with material taken from Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since he tasted the fruit after she was born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to Eve by means of procreation.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with their new state of mind; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it, and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that something altered Eve's conscience; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.


FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)

In conclusion: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not passed on by one's biological father nor by one's biological mother. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Serpent-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Serpent's paws off him.

John 14:30 . . He has no hold on me


NOTE: The name "serpent" is certainly appropriate for the Devil seeing as how snakes are typically portrayed in scripture as deadly poisonous; for example Num 21:5-9.
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Eve was deceived and in sin, Adam was not, but he willingly followed the woman, thus he is charged with the sin of mankind. Plus Adam was made first, and Eve was made to help Adam. Both made in Gods image but with different roles.

Adam and Eve had kids after the fall so Adam does pass it on-and they were both under the penalty of death then slowly dying already. That is why the Virgin birth, to by pass the sin nature all partake of.

Did we all inherit sin from Adam and Eve? | GotQuestions.org
 
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I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.
Oh gosh, I realised I am sounding like a preacher now.
Rephrase.
We will not have a body of matter, but of spirit, and I think it will be a huge ammount of energy.





Yeah, but if the fall never happened then what about overpopulation?
 
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Eve was deceived and in sin, Adam was not, but he willingly followed the woman, thus he is charged with the sin of mankind. Plus Adam was made first, and Eve was made to help Adam. Both made in Gods image but with different roles.

Adam and Eve had kids after the fall so Adam does pass it on-and they were both under the penalty of death then slowly dying already. That is why the Virgin birth, to by pass the sin nature all partake of.

Did we all inherit sin from Adam and Eve? | GotQuestions.org






Eve should be just as guilty as Adam. After all, didn't she eat the fruit first and tell him to as well?
 
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I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.
Oh gosh, I realised I am sounding like a preacher now.
Rephrase.
We will not have a body of matter, but of spirit, and I think it will be a huge ammount of energy.

Jesus had a material body after the resurrection (not a ghost) but it can also operate in the spiritual realm. It's a mistake to see us all floating around on clouds as ghosts in the Kingdom.

The nature of the resurrection body will be spiritual, as contrasted to earthly. (1st Cor 15) Similar but different.

36While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them.
 
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Eve should be just as guilty as Adam. After all, didn't she eat the fruit first and tell him to as well?

She was deceived and guilty first, Adam was not. She didn't understand the full implications as Adam did.

Notice God didn't disagree with her-she was telling the truth, the serpent tricked her. Also, the man was crated first, Adam had authority over the woman who was taken out of him to help him. Equal in as far as made in the image of God, but different in roles and authority-just as in the Trinity we see the Father over the Son.

1 Tim 2,
12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

13Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

17Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
 
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That is why the Virgin birth, to by pass the sin nature all partake of.


"If you tell a lie big enough, and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." (Joseph Goebbels)

The fact of the matter is: If the so-called sin nature could be inherited from one's human father, it could just as easily be inherited from one's human mother because women are made of material taken from Adam's body; ergo: every child born into this world is Adam's child regardless whether its mother is a virgin because all women are made of material taken from Adam's body; therefore every woman's progeny is made of material taken from Adam's body. In order to disconnect Adam from a woman's child, she would have to be made of something other than his body. To my knowledge, that's not how Jesus' mom came into existence.


FAQ: Well; if the so-called fallen nature could theoretically be passed along to children by mothers as well as fathers, then why wasn't Joseph allowed to be Jesus' biological father?

A: Because it was God's determination that Jesus be both human and divine, i.e. son of God and son of David. (And if son of David, then of course son of Adam, i.e. son of Man)
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She was deceived and guilty first, Adam was not. She didn't understand the full implications as Adam did.

Notice God didn't disagree with her-she was telling the truth, the serpent tricked her. Also, the man was crated first, Adam had authority over the woman who was taken out of him to help him. Equal in as far as made in the image of God, but different in roles and authority-just as in the Trinity we see the Father over the Son.

1 Tim 2,
12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

13Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

17Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;









Good point, and now I know if that my fiancee ever becomes disobedient,.. I can just crate him until he learns to behave. :D
 
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Do you realize though that if we all were to live forever in our earthly bodies that it would do more harm than good?







Jesus was once God on foot when He walked the earth, but now He's God in spirit. That's the difference. God in the spirit is incapable of sinning, but God in the flesh was definitely capable of it but just chose against it. Like I and somebody else already mentioned, how could He have been tempted if He wasn't capable of it?

Where does it say Jesus changed when he went to heaven? He was just glorified (given the honor He had before), and He was clothed with light again. But He will always have the body He had after the resurrection.

We were made to live on the earth, in fellowship with God. That is what the Kingdom will be; resurrected saints living on the restored creation again. The earth will be restored and the Heavenly city will set down on earth- our abode. We will eat, work, play, and tend to the affairs of the Kingdom under Jesus' direction.

The test was real, it's just Jesus didn't want to eat broccoli. :) So if you hate broccoli, it might look good after a 40 day fast, but you still hate it. It would never be in your nature to like it. And you feel pain too, just like everyone, and you might not want to get beat and whipped, but you let it happen and endure the pain, thus passing the test.

This is what I'm getting at. :) Jesus passed the tests, because sin did not appeal to Him like it would to a created being. That is His God nature.
 
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"If you tell a lie big enough, and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." (Joseph Goebbels)

The fact of the matter is: If the so-called sin nature could be inherited from one's human father, it could just as easily be inherited from one's human mother because women are made of material taken from Adam's body; ergo: every child born into this world is Adam's child regardless whether its mother is a virgin because all women are made of material taken from Adam's body; therefore every woman's progeny is made of material taken from Adam's body. In order to disconnect Adam from a woman's child, she would have to be made of something other than his body. To my knowledge, that's not how Jesus' mom came into existence.


FAQ: Well; if the so-called fallen nature could theoretically be passed along to children by mothers as well as fathers, then why wasn't Joseph allowed to be Jesus' biological father?

A: Because it was God's determination that Jesus be both human and divine, i.e. son of God and son of David. (And if son of David, then of course son of Adam, i.e. son of Man)
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Yes there is disagreement how sin nature is passed, but my money is on procreation. That is how the virgin birth was a miracle.


1Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.

2Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity
And cleanse me from my sin.

3For I know my transgressions,
And my sin is ever before me.

4Against You, You only, I have sinned
And done what is evil in Your sight,
So that You are justified when You speak
And blameless when You judge.

5Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.


Jesus’ Birth Foretold

26Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, 27to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” 29But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. 30The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32“He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” 35The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. 36“And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month. 37“For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38And Mary said, “Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
 
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Yes there is disagreement how sin nature is passed,

I really have to admire the Serpent's covert skills. He's done an excellent job of covering his tracks; so much so that not even Christians fully understand how he manages to enslave humans without their knowing it. The situation is sort of like the MATRIX; where people cannot see the intricacy of the prison they're wired into until they're out if it; and even then, it's so astounding as to be nigh unto impossible to believe is really true.
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