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In Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted God's law with the law of sin, so he equated God's law with the Law of the Spirit in 8:2 by also contrasting it with the law of sin and death, so the law that we are not under is the law of sin, not God's law. God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we are under, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. In Psalms 19:7, God's law is perfect, in Psalms 119:45, it is a law of liberty, and in Psalms 119:1, it blesses those who obey it, so when James 1:25 speaks about the perfect law of liberty that blesses those who obey it, he wasn't saying anything about the Mosaic Law that wasn't already said in the Psalms. Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so it wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ was something other than what Christ taught.

The Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:13), and God's law is truth (Psalms 119:142). Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he is the personification of the truth (John 14:6). In 2 Timothy 3:8, those who oppose Moses also oppose the truth, being of corrupted minds and disqualified in regard to the faith. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have carnal minds, who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as carnal works that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it.

God said, Christ is the END OF THE LAW, not me. (Rom. 10:4)


We learn in (Gal.6:2) we fulfill the law of Christ when we do the Lords will.


TRUE / FALSE


(Gal.6:1,2) ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
 
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Notice the word ABOLISHED below.

Eph 2:14 ¶ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
 
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The reason that God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt was not in order to put them under bondage to His law so that he could save them out of bondage to His law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free (Galatians 5:1) and God's law is a law of freedom (Psalms 119:45), while it is it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us in bondage (John 8:31-33). David said repeatedly throughout the Psalms that he loved God's law and delighted in obeying it, as did Paul (Romans 7:22), so God's law is anything but bondage, and the view that it is bondage is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture and therefore express a correct view of God's law.

Our salvation is not from the law, but rather our salvation is from sin, which is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4). In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is what God's law was given to instruct how to do. Furthermore, verse 14 does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from bondage to the law, but rather it says that he gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, so if we beleive in what Jesus accomplished on the cross, then we will become zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20), and saying that Jesus saved us from bondage to the law undermines what he went to the cross the accomplish. In Ephesians 2:8-10, we have been made new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works, and again God's law is His instructions for how to do good works.

All of God's laws teach us about how to express God's character traits. For example, in 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which was a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, so following those instructions is testifying about God's holiness.

If I eat a shrimp am i for hell?
 
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The Lords truth.



We are under law today according to (Rom. 8:2) (James 1:25) (Gal. 6:2).

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus...

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty...

Ga 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
In my post I am never saying in any shape or form that the ten commandments are of any use for salvation and can never be, that is only in Christ. I think you fully accept that.

Please don't misunderstand or take offence as this is not the intention but I'm guessing you from a doctrinal church. Based on my experience in most doctrinal churches they hate the ten commandments, really hate them and condemn those who don't. If people would only understand it still has worth, not as much worth as the two greatest commandments but worth all the same. Love, that everyone throws around is so variable nowadays and has many different meanings to people. I think the ten commandments if used against sinners as a sharp prod would make a big difference.

When I was in a church last year I saw a man and women come into the church and talking with the minister about baptism for their child. These two people are not married and living in sin, did the minister say anything, no.
I never see people in churches rebuking sin not even the ministers but will get really angry about a person as myself saying the ten commandments have their purpose. WHY! Why do people hate, what many things GOD calls Holy, but not sin?

Isaiah 42:21
21The LORD is well pleased for His
righteousness' sake; He will exalt the
law and make it honorable.

One thing I would like to ask you, is on what Isaiah states above. What are your opinions on this and do you believe it?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ

Truly we are here to serve and not be served
 
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Ask yourself, how did Jesus teach the Jews to keep the Ten Commandments? See if you can answer this.

This I find very interesting because it would seem from my reading of scripture, that yet again Israel had a misunderstanding of the use of the ten commandments, as they used them purely from a carnal standpoint and Christ was trying to explain to them it has a spiritual side too. The reference to adultery of the heart referring to lust and other references. I believe the reason so many in Israel failed to understand what Christ was saying is because they always refused the Holy Spirit into their lives. Many Christians today also refuse to see the spiritual side of the law and the Holy Spirit and even mock what GOD has called Holy.

Romans 7:12,14
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good
For we know the Law is Spiritual
 
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God said, Christ is the END OF THE LAW, not me. (Rom. 10:4)


We learn in (Gal.6:2) we fulfill the law of Christ when we do the Lords will.


TRUE / FALSE


(Gal.6:1,2) ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Christ is the end of the law to those in Christ absolutely but you seem to suggest, please correct me if I am wrong, that the law has no purpose what-so-ever from Christ on the cross. This is a doctrine taught in many churches not scripture.

Scripture confirms that Christ is the end of the law this in
Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor.

How do you get to Christ in your opinion?

My opinion is you get to Christ by realizing you have sinned greatly against GOD, this is confirmed in scripture. If you believe you haven't sinned what is the point of Christ, why would you need Him.

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Truly we are hear to serve and not to be served
 
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In my post I am never saying in any shape or form that the ten commandments are of any use for salvation and can never be, that is only in Christ. I think you fully accept that.

Please don't misunderstand or take offence as this is not the intention but I'm guessing you from a doctrinal church. Based on my experience in most doctrinal churches they hate the ten commandments, really hate them and condemn those who don't. If people would only understand it still has worth, not as much worth as the two greatest commandments but worth all the same. Love, that everyone throws around is so variable nowadays and has many different meanings to people. I think the ten commandments if used against sinners as a sharp prod would make a big difference.

When I was in a church last year I saw a man and women come into the church and talking with the minister about baptism for their child. These two people are not married and living in sin, did the minister say anything, no.
I never see people in churches rebuking sin not even the ministers but will get really angry about a person as myself saying the ten commandments have their purpose. WHY! Why do people hate, what many things GOD calls Holy, but not sin?

Isaiah 42:21
21The LORD is well pleased for His
righteousness' sake; He will exalt the
law and make it honorable.

One thing I would like to ask you, is on what Isaiah states above. What are your opinions on this and do you believe it?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ

Truly we are here to serve and not be served

I do not hate the OT Law (Ex. 34:27) or the NT Law (Jas.1:25).

I am not your average denominational person.

I am not in a denomination at all.


We (coC) do encourage those in sin to repent (Luke 13:3).


A church which pleases the Lord must be a doctrinal church according to (1Tim. 1:3)(1Cor.14:37).



Here is your answer.----> (Ps.119:160)



I hope you will read pages 3-6 of the link below.

It may help.

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
 
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Christ is the end of the law to those in Christ absolutely but you seem to suggest, please correct me if I am wrong, that the law has no purpose what-so-ever from Christ on the cross. This is a doctrine taught in many churches not scripture.

Scripture confirms that Christ is the end of the law this in
Galatians 3:24
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after faith has come, we are no longer under the tutor.

How do you get to Christ in your opinion?

My opinion is you get to Christ by realizing you have sinned greatly against GOD, this is confirmed in scripture. If you believe you haven't sinned what is the point of Christ, why would you need Him.

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Truly we are hear to serve and not to be served

Ro 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.


How To Get INTO CHRIST

What Must I Do To Be Saved?


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I do not hate the OT Law (Ex. 34:27) or the NT Law (Jas.1:25).

I am not your average denominational person.

I am not in a denomination at all.


We (coC) do encourage those in sin to repent (Luke 13:3).


A church which pleases the Lord must be a doctrinal church according to (1Tim. 1:3)(1Cor.14:37).

Very amusing, as this confirms what I've been saying and you contesting.
1 Timothy8-10
But we know the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this; that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners.

Your words are very misleading, "must be a doctrinal church" No, that is not what it says, it says, "teach no other doctrine" not doctrines. Not many doctrines as in the churches today.

Do you even read what you post?


Here is your answer.----> (Ps.119:160)



I hope you will read pages 3-6 of the link below.

It may help.

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
 
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Christ Servant - Very amusing, as this confirms what I've been saying and you contesting.
1 Timothy8-10
But we know the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this; that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners.

Your words are very misleading, "must be a doctrinal church" No, that is not what it says, it says, "teach no other doctrine" not doctrines. Not many doctrines as in the churches today.

Do you even read what you post?


Nova - A church (or kingdom) must have a law. Doctrine is law. It is what defines, It is what guides, It is what cleanses the souls of sin (Jn 17:17). Any deviation from truth will nullify the saving power of Gods message (1Tim. 1:3) (1Tim. 4:1-4) (2Tim. 4:1-4).

(1Tim. 1:3) says teach no other doctrine. That implies there is a certain doctrine which must be taught and obeyed to be saved (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34 ; 22:16). We see this in (Rom. 6:3-18).

There are only two scriptures which teach men how to get into Christ.

(Rom. 6:3,4) (Gal. 3:27)



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In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the law, so the NT does not update it, but it does teach how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

Thank you for the response. That's what I was trying to say. I just used the wrong terms.
 
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God said, Christ is the END OF THE LAW, not me. (Rom. 10:4)

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God only comes through faith in Christ. So they failed to obtain righteousness because they pursued the Torah as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the Torah as through righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the Torah for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-16, in regard to this faith saying that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will obtain life by it, and in regard to what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord. So there is nothing in the context of this verse that even remotely suggests that Christ is ending his eternal Torah, but just the opposite.

We learn in (Gal.6:2) we fulfill the law of Christ when we do the Lords will.


TRUE / FALSE


(Gal.6:1,2) ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

The Lord has straightforwardly made His will known through His law (Psalms 40:8). God is not in disagreement with himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so it wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ was something other than the Law of Moses that he taught by word and by example.

Notice the word ABOLISHED below.

Eph 2:14 ¶ For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

I agree that these verses refer to a law that has been abolished, but I don't see a good reason to interpret these verses as referring to God's law, especially when all of God's righteous laws are eternal and will never be abolish (Psalms 119:160). God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law, so He had no need to break down His own laws. Furthermore, God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. It wouldn't make sense to think that we have been made new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works in Ephesians 2:10, then to interpret Paul as saying few verses later that Christ did away with His eternal instructions for how to do good works.

I hope not b/c i love shrimp!!!

I gotta go to the store.

To love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome (1 John 5:3), so choose whether you love God or shrimp. Sin is defined as the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law prohibits eating shrimp (Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14), so if you encourage those in sin to repent, then you should encourage people to repent from eating shrimp. Trying to say that God's law has been abolished is encouraging those who are in sin to refuse to repent.
 
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If I eat a shrimp am i for hell?

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so refusing to obey God's law is expressing a lack of faith in Jesus. Whether that in itself is sufficient to send someone to hell is not my decision to make, but I pray that it is not sufficient. However, I can assure you that you would be better off having faith in Jesus in that regard.
 
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In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God only comes through faith in Christ. So they failed to obtain righteousness because they pursued the Torah as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the Torah as through righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the Torah for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-16, in regard to this faith saying that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will obtain life by it, and in regard to what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord. So there is nothing in the context of this verse that even remotely suggests that Christ is ending his eternal Torah, but just the opposite.



The Lord has straightforwardly made His will known through His law (Psalms 40:8). God is not in disagreement with himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so it wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ was something other than the Law of Moses that he taught by word and by example.



I agree that these verses refer to a law that has been abolished, but I don't see a good reason to interpret these verses as referring to God's law, especially when all of God's righteous laws are eternal and will never be abolish (Psalms 119:160). God did not make any mistakes when He gave the law, so He had no need to break down His own laws. Furthermore, God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. It wouldn't make sense to think that we have been made new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works in Ephesians 2:10, then to interpret Paul as saying few verses later that Christ did away with His eternal instructions for how to do good works.



To love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome (1 John 5:3), so choose whether you love God or shrimp. Sin is defined as the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and God's law prohibits eating shrimp (Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14), so if you encourage those in sin to repent, then you should encourage people to repent from eating shrimp. Trying to say that God's law has been abolished is encouraging those who are in sin to refuse to repent.
So what law was abolished when Christ came? (Rom. 10:4)


You seem to be saying the OT Law and the NT Law are THE SAME.

(Jer.31:31-34) clearly disagrees with you.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

#1. A new covenant will be made in the future with Israel and Judah.

#2. It will not be according to the Old Covenant.

#3. The New Testament covenant will have a provision for sin. (Heb. 8:6-13)



You seem to be double talking when it comes to (Eph.2:15) and regarding a law being abolished. It is hard to disregard that word abolished isn't it. But if one acknowledges the word abolish he must also acknowledge the law which was to be abolished (past tense).

Which law ended with Christ coming? (Rom. 10:4)(Luke 16:16)

Which law was abolished? (Eph. 2:15)



Here is why I eat shrimp.

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Ac 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
 
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Here is why I do not obey the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The Law which we are not to go back to is defined in verse 6.

Circumcision was commanded under the OT Law.
 
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So what law was abolished when Christ came? (Rom. 10:4)

You seem to be saying the OT Law and the NT Law are THE SAME.

(Jer.31:31-34) clearly disagrees with you.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

#1. A new covenant will be made in the future with Israel and Judah.

#2. It will not be according to the Old Covenant.

#3. The New Testament covenant will have a provision for sin. (Heb. 8:6-13)

Both Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 speak about having a superior mediator and being based on better promises, so that is the way that they are not alike, however, neither says anything about following different laws, so that is not one of the ways that they are not alike, but rather they both say that the New Covenant still involves following God's law (Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10).

You seem to be double talking when it comes to (Eph.2:15) and regarding a law being abolished. It is hard to disregard that word abolished isn't it. But if one acknowledges the word abolish he must also acknowledge the law which was to be abolished (past tense).

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as God's law, works of the law, and the law of sin, so if you assume that Paul is always speaking about God's law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand what he wrote. For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:25, he contrasted God's law with the law of sin. So Paul spoke against works of the law, but in Romans 3:31, he said that our faith upholds God's law and you should be careful not to take what he only said against obeying works of the law as being against obeying God, especially because he was not an enemy of God.

So you would need to make the case for why Ephesians 2:15 should be interpreted as referring to God's law and interact with the reasons that I have given for why it couldn't be referring to God's law. I think that Ephesians 2:15 is most likely referring to abolishing man-made laws, such as the one that Peter mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews to visit or associate with Gentiles, which were creating a dividing wall of hostility.

Which law ended with Christ coming?
(Rom. 10:4)(Luke 16:16)

Romans 10:4 has nothing to do with abolishing any laws, but rather the surrounding and the broader context show that it is speaking about Christ being the goal of the law. For example, in John 5:39-40, Jesus said that the Scriptures testify about Him, in Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets, interpreting to them all of the things in Scripture concerning himself, and in Hebrews 10:7, the volume of the scroll is written about Jesus, so the focus of everything in the law is to testify about how to grow in a relationship with Christ. The only way to do away with a law that testifies about Jesus is to first do away with what it testifies about. In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying His law, so saying that there were any laws that were ended at Christ's coming is claiming that he is a false prophet.

In Luke 16:16-18, Jesus said that the law was until John and that since then the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached, namely to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, so the fact that he was speaking about the Torah still being taught after John means that he was not speaking about it ending with him. Furthermore, Jesus went on in verses 17-18 to teach obedience to the law and to say that it would be easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the least part to disappear from the law, so he was not speaking about a law that he thought had already ended. Lastly, neither John or Jesus taught people that that the law had ended and they needed to stop repenting from their sins, but just the opposite.

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1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:


In 1 Timothy 4:1, Paul described what he was speaking about as being the doctrines of demons, so do you consider the holy, righteous, and good commandments of God to be doctrines of demons? If so, then that is blasphemy, if not, then you shouldn't interpret what Paul was speaking against as referring to God's law.

Ac 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Peter did not just object by saying that he had never eaten anything that was unclean, but also added that he had never eaten anything that was common. Furthermore, God did not rebuke Peter for calling something unclean, but only rebuked him for calling animals common, and the Bible does not use those words interchangeably, so why are you acting like he was instead rebuked for calling animals unclean? Peter interpreted his vision three times as being in regard to Gentiles and didn't say a word about now being able to eat unclean animals, yet you're somehow acting like that was actually the point of his vision.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so following those instructions testifies about God's holiness.

Here is why I do not obey the 10 commandments (OT Law).

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The Law which we are not to go back to is defined in verse 6.

Circumcision was commanded under the OT Law.

All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is not the way to fall from grace, but the way that Christ was gracious to us. He set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he graciously taught us how to obey it by word and by example.

Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to obey God's law as if obedience to God were somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become justified, however, that was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so the problem was that circumcision was being used for a man-made purpose that went above and beyond the purpose for which God commanded it. So the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against obeying what God has commanded, as if the Jerusalem Council had the authority to countermand God.
 
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Both Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 speak about having a superior mediator and being based on better promises, so that is the way that they are not alike, however, neither says anything about following different laws, so that is not one of the ways that they are not alike, but rather they both say that the New Covenant still involves following God's law (Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10).



Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as God's law, works of the law, and the law of sin, so if you assume that Paul is always speaking about God's law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand what he wrote. For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:25, he contrasted God's law with the law of sin. So Paul spoke against works of the law, but in Romans 3:31, he said that our faith upholds God's law and you should be careful not to take what he only said against obeying works of the law as being against obeying God, especially because he was not an enemy of God.

So you would need to make the case for why Ephesians 2:15 should be interpreted as referring to God's law and interact with the reasons that I have given for why it couldn't be referring to God's law. I think that Ephesians 2:15 is most likely referring to abolishing man-made laws, such as the one that Peter mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews to visit or associate with Gentiles, which were creating a dividing wall of hostility.



Romans 10:4 has nothing to do with abolishing any laws, but rather the surrounding and the broader context show that it is speaking about Christ being the goal of the law. For example, in John 5:39-40, Jesus said that the Scriptures testify about Him, in Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets, interpreting to them all of the things in Scripture concerning himself, and in Hebrews 10:7, the volume of the scroll is written about Jesus, so the focus of everything in the law is to testify about how to grow in a relationship with Christ. The only way to do away with a law that testifies about Jesus is to first do away with what it testifies about. In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone was a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying His law, so saying that there were any laws that were ended at Christ's coming is claiming that he is a false prophet.

In Luke 16:16-18, Jesus said that the law was until John and that since then the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached, namely to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, so the fact that he was speaking about the Torah still being taught after John means that he was not speaking about it ending with him. Furthermore, Jesus went on in verses 17-18 to teach obedience to the law and to say that it would be easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the least part to disappear from the law, so he was not speaking about a law that he thought had already ended. Lastly, neither John or Jesus taught people that that the law had ended and they needed to stop repenting from their sins, but just the opposite.



In 1 Timothy 4:1, Paul described what he was speaking about as being the doctrines of demons, so do you consider the holy, righteous, and good commandments of God to be doctrines of demons? If so, then that is blasphemy, if not, then you shouldn't interpret what Paul was speaking against as referring to God's law.



Peter did not just object by saying that he had never eaten anything that was unclean, but also added that he had never eaten anything that was common. Furthermore, God did not rebuke Peter for calling something unclean, but only rebuked him for calling animals common, and the Bible does not use those words interchangeably, so why are you acting like he was instead rebuked for calling animals unclean? Peter interpreted his vision three times as being in regard to Gentiles and didn't say a word about now being able to eat unclean animals, yet you're somehow acting like that was actually the point of his vision.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so following those instructions testifies about God's holiness.



All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is not the way to fall from grace, but the way that Christ was gracious to us. He set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so he graciously taught us how to obey it by word and by example.

Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to obey God's law as if obedience to God were somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified. In Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become justified, however, that was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so the problem was that circumcision was being used for a man-made purpose that went above and beyond the purpose for which God commanded it. So the Jerusalem Council upheld God's law by correctly ruling against that requirement, and a ruling against requiring something that God never commanded should not be mistaken as being a ruling against obeying what God has commanded, as if the Jerusalem Council had the authority to countermand God.

What does (Heb. 7:12 ; 9:15-17 ; 10:9,10) Mean?
 
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I don’t believe the 10 commandments were set aside. Many of society’s problems are rooted in violation of these principles. They’re the framework for godly living.

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