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The Son is full humanity and full Deity IN UNION.

Angels are not soul. Angels are spirit with their own kind of body.

The Angel of Jehovah was a physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit being as God. Why? Angels are spirit. Humans are soul. Jesus could not become a true angel with his soul.

An angel must have a spirit like an angel to be an angel.

In contrast to the Angel of Jehovah Jesus has a soul for his humanity. The Angel of Jehovah was the Holy Spirit manifested in the form of an angel. We soon forget? The Holy Spirit is equally God to the Son. For Moses to worship the Angel of Jehovah was expected and not blasphemy. To worship an angel is blasphemy. Just like worshiping a man would be blasphemy. But, to worship the Son is accepted and expected. And, before the Incarnation took place? For Moses to worship the Angel of Jehovah was to be worshiping God manifested as a union between "spirit" and Deity. That is why this spirit is called the Holy Spirit.

Jesus = fully man and fully God in union.

Holy Spirit = fully angel and fully God in union.


God does not want our theology to become stagnant and mere tradition. Growth must take place with a spiritual life that is ever growing and maturing.
Was John the Baptist as angel ? yes or no

Do you know that the Greek word " angelos" can mean messenger ?

Mal 3:1
"I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

Matt 11:10
"This is the one about whom it is written, 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.'

So " The angle of the Lord" in the OT was the Messenger not a created being.

Strong's Concordance
aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Definition: a messenger, angel
Usage: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
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32 ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human (Mt 11:10; Lk 7:24, 9:52; Gal 4:14; Js 2:25) or heavenly (a celestial angel); someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message.
 
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Was John the Baptist as angel ? yes or no

Do you know that the Greek word " angelos" can mean messenger ?

Mal 3:1
"I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

Matt 11:10
"This is the one about whom it is written, 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.'

So " The angle of the Lord" in the OT was the Messenger not a created being.

Strong's Concordance
aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Definition: a messenger, angel
Usage: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
HELPS Word-studies
32 ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human (Mt 11:10; Lk 7:24, 9:52; Gal 4:14; Js 2:25) or heavenly (a celestial angel); someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message.
Play that game if you like. It can mean messenger. It does not have to mean messenger.



“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” Mat 4:6

Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him." Mat 4:11

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven." Mat 18:10

It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things." 1 Pet 1:2


Be serious with me.
 
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Play that game if you like. It can mean messenger. It does not have to mean messenger.
Its no game as ANGELS are FORBIDDEN worship. The Angel of the Lord was worshiped by everyone as God(YHWH) in the OT and Called YHWH. He was the Son who appeared to men in the OT as the Messenger, not angel as in a created being.

So you don't believe in Theophanies/ Christophanies in the OT correct ?
 
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Its no game as ANGELS are FORBIDDEN worship. The Angel of the Lord was worshiped by everyone as God(YHWH) in the OT and Called YHWH. He was the Son who appeared to men in the OT as the Messenger, not angel as in a created being.

So you don't believe in Theophanies/ Christophanies in the OT correct ?

There are more than one camp in theology. Its not conclusive whom the Angel of Jehovah really is. Many are assuming it was the Son. They do not know with certainty. That you failed to see. For to be an angel being? One must be a spirit and not a soul. Soul is human. Spirit is angel.

Show us one passage where it says an angel being has a soul? Not a "messenger." The beings from Heaven that are categorized as "angels."

You will not find it.

What Does the Bible Say About Angels And Humans?

Go find it!@
 
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There are more than one camp in theology. Its not conclusive whom the Angel of Jehovah really is. Many are assuming it was the Son. They do not know with certainty. That you failed to see. For to be an angel being? One must be a spirit and not a soul. Soul is human. Spirit is angel.

Show us one passage where it says an angel being has a soul? Not a "messenger." The beings from Heaven that are categorized as "angels."

You will not find it.

What Does the Bible Say About Angels And Humans?

Go find it!@
Rev 22:6-9
The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
 
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This passage was mentioned earlier. The NIV does not use the word angel. Calls him a man. But in verse 28 the "man" says he struggled (wrestled) with God.

Genesis 32:22-28 NIV
That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
 
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angels and men
Rev 22:6-9
The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”


We are also not supposed to worship a man either. When the disciples worshiped Jesus? He never rebuked them.

What is your point? You keep running backwards and hiding behind trees of using Scripture that is not truly applicable. Why are you doing that?

The Angel of Jehovah has not really been understood before. He has been an enigma to many theologians who simply fell back upon traditional thought.
 
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We are also not supposed to worship a man either. When the disciples worshiped Jesus? He never rebuked them.

What is your point? You keep running backwards and hiding behind trees of using Scripture that is not truly applicable. Why are you doing that?

The Angel of Jehovah has not really been understood before. He has been an enigma to many theologians who simply fell back upon traditional thought.
Jesus was God Incarnate therefor worthy of all honor,glory, praise, worship just as the Father is worthy of all honor, glory, worship and praise.
 
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Jesus was God Incarnate therefor worthy of all honor,glory, praise, worship just as the Father is worthy of all honor, glory, worship and praise.
You keep saying things that so happen to be true in themselves. But, they fail to address what I stated.

What is your purpose in doing that?

The Angel of Jehovah was also worthy of honor and worship.

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the
priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the
wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the
angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within
a bush.



“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

Exodus 3.

You read what it tells us? The Angel of Jehovah was union of both Deity and angel! Jesus is both Deity and humanity. Both are not the same. Two different members of the Trinity. Are we failing to see that the Holy Spirit is equally God with the other two members of the Godhead?

If the Holy Spirit is God as the Angel of Jehovah? Then he too was worth of worship by Moses, but only during that dispensation. For, He will be no longer in this dispensation manifesting as the Angel of Jehovah.

grace and peace.......
 
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You keep saying things that so happen to be true in themselves. But, they fail to address what I stated.

What is your purpose in doing that?

The Angel of Jehovah was also worthy of honor and worship.

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the
priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the
wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the
angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within
a bush.



“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God."

Exodus 3.

You read what it tells us? The Angel of Jehovah was union of both Deity and angel! Jesus is both Deity and humanity. Both are not the same. Two different members of the Trinity. Are we failing to see that the Holy Spirit is equally God with the other two members of the Godhead?

If the Holy Spirit is God as the Angel of Jehovah? Then he too was worth of worship by Moses, but only during that dispensation. For, He will be no longer in this dispensation manifesting as the Angel of Jehovah.

grace and peace.......
What part of an angel( a created being) that is worshiped known as idolatry are you having difficulty understanding ?
 
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What part of an angel( a created being) that is worshiped known as idolatry are you having difficulty understanding ?
Its not me that is having a hard time understanding. And, I dislike when someone makes me repeat myself because they keep failing to get the point.

For example. What part of a man is to be worshiped? Yet? Jesus was worshiped. That would be idolatry if I took your train of logic and used it. They were worshiping a man. That would be the argument of an atheist.

Is quite simple. If one particular angel is not simply an angel, but is in this case God? And, the Bible calls him God? You're stuck. You can not reason with the facts.

Its OK... You're not getting it.

Please. Do not keep using the same argument that does not pertain to this particular phenomenon.

Look again. This angel was God. Not just another angel.


"Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the
priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the
wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the
angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from
within
a bush....


“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the
place where you are standing is holy ground.” Then he said, “I am
the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face,
because he was afraid to look at God."


A very good number of theologians and pastors have known that in Exodus 3, the Angel of Jehovah is God. They assume it had to be the pre-incarnate Jesus for that reason, being manifested as an angel.

But, a soul is a man and can not be a spirit. Only an angel can be a spirit. Just like Jesus has a soul as man, and is also God. If Jesus were only a man? He would not be God. You keep making that assumption (and mistake) about The Angel of Jehovah. For he was both Angel and God. The Angel of Jehovah ceased being manifested after in Incarnation of Christ. For now Jesus is to be God over all creation.

grace and peace
 
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I realize that I'm going to have a lot of people angry with me over this one but I don't think He was and let me explain. To me there is a major difference of being perfect and being sinless. It's true that Jesus never disobeyed His parents, but did He always know right from wrong and what His parents expected of Him? I don't think He always knew better and had to be taught right from wrong just like any other child so that He could always do what was right.





Also I don't think that He was perfect in the sense where He never ever made a spelling mistake or forgot where He left one of His carpentry tools as those are classified as sinless mistakes. So in conclusion I believe that Jesus was born entirely sinless,.. but in order to fully know what it's like to be human you also have to fully understand what it's like to be imperfect.

Jesus is clearly God. Can God make mistakes? No.

“For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;” (Hebrews 7:26).

So your reasoning is flawed.
 
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Jesus is clearly God. Can God make mistakes? No.

“For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;” (Hebrews 7:26).

So your reasoning is flawed.
The question is not if Jesus is God.

You know the story.. "The Prince and the Pauper." ?

The prince and the pauper appeared identical in appearance. So, on whim the prince and pauper decided to change places. The prince made himself into being a pauper. Though he knew he was the prince, he gave up his right to the authority that was rightfully his own.

Though He was God before leaving heaven, he gave up his right to function as God. Came to earth as a man in function, denying himself his right to all the powers and authority that was rightfully his. And, as a man, remained obedient to the Father's plan.. even onto death.

So? When he walked the earth as a man? He was not walking the earth as God - by choice! He denied himself his right to his own powers of Deity. Instead he fully depended upon the Holy Spirit (like we are supposed to do now) for any supernatural power needed. He became in essence, the Prototype Christian. The author and finisher of our faith. How we are to walk as believers. Which is, to walk in the filling of the Spirit and in Truth of God's Word understood in abundance. The more sound doctrine we seek and possess the more the Holy Spirit is one with us in our thoughts and emotions.

Jesus did not walk the earth being as God in ability and powers. Yet, he knew he is God, but would not be as God. He walked as the Perfect Christian. He pioneered the way for us to walk in as men!

Though He was God? He refused to be God while he yet had to die as a man for all mankind as our substitute. As God he could never die in your place. For we are human.

Philippians 2:6-8

Who, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equality with God a gain to be seized (means to violently take) and held; rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


It was only before He came to earth, and after He finished dying as a man, did he once more take back his rightful function to be as God.

We need to know this. For many keep saying he walked on earth in the power of being God. If he did? We would have a problem. For God can not die. We could not be saved. For He had to make Himself to be the perfect substitute for us on the Cross. He emptied himself of his powers and right to be as God. But he never forgot who he really was. For he was the Prince who made himself to be the Pauper for our sake. Now that he no longer walks as a man? NOW! He is God!

Grace and peace......
 
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The question is not if Jesus is God.

You know the story.. "The Prince and the Pauper." ?

The prince and the pauper appeared identical in appearance. So, on whim the prince and pauper decided to change places. The prince made himself into being a pauper. Though he knew he was the prince, he gave up his right to the authority that was rightfully his own.

Though He was God before leaving heaven, he gave up his right to function as God. Came to earth as a man in function, denying himself his right to all the power and authority that was rightfully his. And, as a man remained obedient to the Father's plan.. even onto death.

So? When he walked the earth as a man? He was not walking the earth as God - by choice! He denied himself his right to his own powers of Deity. Instead he fully depended upon the Holy Spirit (like we are supposed to do now) for any supernatural power needed. He became in essence, the Prototype Christian. The author and finisher of our faith. How we are to walk as believers. Which is, to walk in the filling of the Spirit and in Truth of God's Word understood in abundance. The more sound doctrine we seek and possess the more the Holy Spirit is one with us in our thoughts and emotions.

Jesus did not walk the earth being as God. He knew he is God, but would not be as God. He walked as the Perfect Christian. He pioneered the way for us to walk in!

Though He was God? He refused to be God while he yet had to die as a man for all mankind as our substitute. As God he could never die in your place. For we are human.

Philippians 2:6-8

Who, [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]though He eternally existed in the essence of God[/FONT],
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Times New I2]He did not think equality with God a gain
to be seized (means to violently take) and held[/FONT][/FONT];

rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

It was only before He came to earth, and after He finished dying as a man, did he once more take back his rightful function to be as God.

We need to know this. For many keep saying he walked on earth in the power of being God. If he did? We would have a problem. For God can not die. We could not be saved. For He had to make Himself to be the perfect substitute for us on the Cross. He emptied himself of his powers and right to be as God. But he never forgot who he really was. For he was the Prince who made himself to be the Pauper for our sake. Now that he no longer walks as a man? NOW! He is God!

Grace and peace......










Good point, but He was still the Son of God,.. He just chose to humble Himself and be more like us even though He was sinless. Or maybe that's what you're saying.
 
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Good point, but He was still the Son of God,.. He just chose to humble Himself and be more like us even though He was sinless. Or maybe that's what you're saying.
Not "more" like us. But like us in every way (except sin). Hebrews 4:15

As God? He could never have been tempted. But, because he placed himself in that vulnerable position of being as a man? He could be tempted like us in every way. Every way. No one is with excuse.

With the Father's leading and the Spirit's enabling grace, he (as a man) partook in the inventing and creating of the ways for us to overcome all sin.

Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith.
For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame,
and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
Heb 12:2​

He pioneered the way for us to walk in by that means of being as a man. He had to do so as a man. If He came in the power of God? He would not have experienced being tempted. Then, He would have never proven the Way that we are now supposed to walk in as men.

Grace and peace......
 
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The question is not if Jesus is God.

You know the story.. "The Prince and the Pauper." ?

The prince and the pauper appeared identical in appearance. So, on whim the prince and pauper decided to change places. The prince made himself into being a pauper. Though he knew he was the prince, he gave up his right to the authority that was rightfully his own.

Though He was God before leaving heaven, he gave up his right to function as God. Came to earth as a man in function, denying himself his right to all the powers and authority that was rightfully his. And, as a man, remained obedient to the Father's plan.. even onto death.

So? When he walked the earth as a man? He was not walking the earth as God - by choice! He denied himself his right to his own powers of Deity. Instead he fully depended upon the Holy Spirit (like we are supposed to do now) for any supernatural power needed. He became in essence, the Prototype Christian. The author and finisher of our faith. How we are to walk as believers. Which is, to walk in the filling of the Spirit and in Truth of God's Word understood in abundance. The more sound doctrine we seek and possess the more the Holy Spirit is one with us in our thoughts and emotions.

Jesus did not walk the earth being as God in ability and powers. Yet, he knew he is God, but would not be as God. He walked as the Perfect Christian. He pioneered the way for us to walk in as men!

Though He was God? He refused to be God while he yet had to die as a man for all mankind as our substitute. As God he could never die in your place. For we are human.

Philippians 2:6-8

Who, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equality with God a gain to be seized (means to violently take) and held; rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


It was only before He came to earth, and after He finished dying as a man, did he once more take back his rightful function to be as God.

We need to know this. For many keep saying he walked on earth in the power of being God. If he did? We would have a problem. For God can not die. We could not be saved. For He had to make Himself to be the perfect substitute for us on the Cross. He emptied himself of his powers and right to be as God. But he never forgot who he really was. For he was the Prince who made himself to be the Pauper for our sake. Now that he no longer walks as a man? NOW! He is God!

Grace and peace......

No. That's false. You learned this kind of unbiblical theology from corrupted Modern Translation bibles and not the King James Bible (that existed long before the Modern Translations showed up).

While Jesus suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience (i.e. to know all things) as God, this does not mean Jesus gave up His divine powers as God.

Jesus had power as God:

#1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
#2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
#3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
#4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
#5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
#6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
#7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
#8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).
 
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No. That's false. You learned this kind of unbiblical theology from corrupted Modern Translation bibles and not the King James Bible (that existed long before the Modern Translations showed up).

While Jesus suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience (i.e. to know all things) as God, this does not mean Jesus gave up His divine powers as God.

Jesus had power as God:

#1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
#2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
#3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
#4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
#5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
#6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
#7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
#8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).

Well? There is a problem with your idea. For?
Later the apostles raised others from death. Now, were they also God?

Sometimes Jesus spoke from knowing He was God. But, never as one manifesting God's power from Himself. Why was that? In part.. He had to be the author and pioneer of our faith. That was accomplished by remaining as a man. A man of God who needed to depend upon the Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible to sustain him in all things.
 
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Good point, but He was still the Son of God,.. He just chose to humble Himself and be more like us even though He was sinless. Or maybe that's what you're saying.

Jesus as a man had to keep denying himself to be as God in all his needs.

Satan picked up on this at some point.

That is why Satan tempted Jesus to return to being as God. That happened when Satan tempted Jesus to turn the stones into bread.

Satan already knew Jesus was the Son of God. The Greek syntax reveals this. It was not as if Satan was trying to get Jesus to prove who He is. Satan wanted Jesus to disqualify himself to die in our place as a man. For, if Satan could get Jesus to stop being as a man? We could not get saved by the Cross.

The Greek says in Matthew 4:3.... If you be the Son of God (and, you are) turn these stones into bread."

The word "if" in Mat 4:3, the Greek is in a first class condition. That means what was said is actually so. This Greek syntax technique was used for the famous Greek debates. It was a part of their debating technique.

No... Satan was not trying to get Jesus to prove he was the Son of God by turning the stones into bread. Satan was wishing for Jesus to slip up, and cease being as a man. Even the evil spirits that Jesus cast out knew who he was. Jesus had to silence them when they declared him to be the Son of God!

Study... study... study.. Pray in Jesus name to our Father. God will provide the teaching if its your hearts desire.
 
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Well? There is a problem with your idea. For?
Later the apostles raised others from death. Now, were they also God?

Sorry, you are not reading and believing the words of our Lord.

Jesus said:

“For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.” (John 5:21).

Listen carefully to what Jesus said. Jesus said as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens (makes alive), even so the Son quickens (makes alive) whom he will. Does the Father need help in raising the dead? No. So this means that Jesus also has the same power. For while Paul raised the dead, Paul himself could not say that he could quicken or make alive the dead in the same way that the Father does. This would imply Paul would be God and he simply was not.

John 2:19 is also unmistakable. Jesus said he would raise up the temple (i.e. His body). Yes, I am aware that Scripture also says that the Father, and the Spirit raised Jesus, too. But Jesus was also included in that act because He said so Himself in John 2:19.

Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry. To not have power as God means one is not God.
This means Jesus merely suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience.
He took on the form of a servant and made himself of no reputation.

You said:
Sometimes Jesus spoke from knowing He was God. But, never as one manifesting God's power from Himself. Why was that?

Your imagining things or you are following what Modern Translations say.
Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins. Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29). Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20).

You said:
In part.. He had to be the author and pioneer of our faith. That was accomplished by remaining as a man. A man of God who needed to depend upon the Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible to sustain him in all things.

Jesus spoke and did everything the Father commanded Him to do. He did works by the Father and the Spirit. But He also acted of His own divine power, as well. To forgive (absolve) sin is only a divine attribute of God. All sin is ultimately done towards God. No man can take the role of God and forgive their sin in the same way that man forgives another for wrong done against him. Jesus can absolve sin on the behalf of God because He is God. It's an exclusive divine power only God has. Jesus is the only mediator between God the Father and man.

As for your reference about Jesus relying upon the Bible:

Well, there was no such thing as a Bible during the time of Christ's earthly ministry. It was not called that back then. There was the Holy Scriptures in the form of scrolls, etc.; But there was no book as we know it today that said “Holy Bible” on the cover during His earthly ministry.
 
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I realize that I'm going to have a lot of people angry with me over this one but I don't think He was and let me explain. To me there is a major difference of being perfect and being sinless. It's true that Jesus never disobeyed His parents, but did He always know right from wrong and what His parents expected of Him? I don't think He always knew better and had to be taught right from wrong just like any other child so that He could always do what was right.





Also I don't think that He was perfect in the sense where He never ever made a spelling mistake or forgot where He left one of His carpentry tools as those are classified as sinless mistakes. So in conclusion I believe that Jesus was born entirely sinless,.. but in order to fully know what it's like to be human you also have to fully understand what it's like to be imperfect.

No, He wasn't perfect. But instead, He volunteered to be human as His Father requested Him to be.
 
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