THE SABBATH TRUTH!

BiffBuffering · Aug 24, 2020

pasifika said:
This is the commands Jesus is referring to is to obey His teaching John14:23, and love each other John 15:12..

God says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy," and the church says "Sorry, Lord (Jesus) of the Sabbath, I've got more important things to do on Saturday." I get it. I just don't buy it.

Bob S · Aug 24, 2020

Hi Jorge, thanks for giving your opinion about 2Cor 3:6-11. However, all you did was to skirt the issue that in those verses it says that the ten commandments are DONE AWAY. That does not mean that they are written on/in our hearts nor does it tell us that the Holy Spirit helps us to observe them.

Those verses do tell us that the ten, as Israel's guide, is done away and now the Holy Spirit is now our guide. I believe the reason it is so hard for you to understand is because of your present beliefs are so strong.

Bob S · Aug 24, 2020

BiffBuffering said:
God says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy," and the church says "Sorry, Lord (Jesus) of the Sabbath, I've got more important things to do on Saturday." I get it. I just don't buy it.

And I certainly do not buy that God was addressing that statement to anyone except those who came out of bondage in Egypt. As of yet, no one has proven anything different.

pasifika · Aug 24, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
There are many kinds of laws in the old covenant. The 10 commandments are called God's law. Do you know the difference between God's law written by God on two tables of stone with the finger of God and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in the book of the law? Do you know what the new covenant scriptures teach about the role of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant? If so please let us know. If you do not know, it is alright, as I will be happy answer my own questions with God's help from the scriptures if you are interested?

Hello, whatever laws given under the old covenant through Moses as the mediator are Gods law..Moses never wrote any laws out of his own conscience but what God commanded him to say to the children of Israel...

The two greatest commandments of the law are not written on stones But the book of the Law..Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18

pasifika · Aug 24, 2020

Bob S said:
If only the ten are "God's laws" then whos laws are the remainder of the 613 laws? I find your definition to be wanting LGW. God's greatest commandments to the Israelites were not found in the ten commandments.

Great point.

pasifika · Aug 24, 2020

BiffBuffering said:
God says "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy," and the church says "Sorry, Lord (Jesus) of the Sabbath, I've got more important things to do on Saturday." I get it. I just don't buy it.

It all about the 7th day sabbath...

guevaraj · Aug 24, 2020

Bob S said:
That does not mean that they are written on/in our hearts nor does it tell us that the Holy Spirit helps us to observe them. Those verses do tell us that the ten, as Israel's guide, is done away and now the Holy Spirit is now our guide. I believe the reason it is so hard for you to understand is because of your present beliefs are so strong.

Brother, then let’s look at that word you use to contradict the rest of the Scriptures.

If for that which is fading away (καταργούμενον) [was] through glory, much more [is] that remaining in glory! (2 Corinthians 3:11 interlinear)

How can you say that the surpassing glory is actually less effective in eliminating sin in you? Mainly disobeying the eternally unconditional covenant of the Sabbath, which is the “sign” that God is the one who makes us holy? Your point of view surpasses not the righteousness of our predecessors, diminishing their glory by eliminating the Sabbath, which is the “sign” of our relationship with the Lord.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

LoveGodsWord · Aug 24, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, whatever laws given under the old covenant through Moses as the mediator are Gods law..Moses never wrote any laws out of his own conscience but what God commanded him to say to the children of Israel...

The two greatest commandments of the law are not written on stones But the book of the Law..Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18

There are many kinds of laws in the old covenant. The 10 commandments are called God's law. Do you know the difference between God's law written by God on two tables of stone with the finger of God and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in the book of the law? Do you know what the new covenant scriptures teach about the role of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant? If so please let us know.

You do know that JESUS was quoting Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18 in Matthew 22:36-40 right? I already brought this up in post # 1583 linked

I asked you what you think the linked post is about above. Perhaps its time to have another read?

Jesus says "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS" Matthew 22:36-40

The commandments of love only sum up how love is expressed and that is through obedience to God's Law *see Romans 13:8-10 and James 2:8-12.

If you do not know the answers to my questions above, it is alright, as I will be happy answer my own questions with God's help from the scriptures if you are interested just say so?

Hope this is helpful.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

Bob S said:
That is not true LGW. Why is it you hide under a basket the fact that your church teaches that unless the Sabbath is kept we will be rejected by God and lose our eternal reward?
It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

Not really Bob, you have provided a lot of re-hash here and there is no hiding as you claim as the scriptures have already been shared with you. You are free to believe as you wish and if so we will have to agree to disagree. You have been provided the scriptures alone from day 1 that say if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. When context is provided the scriptures show that we are not held accountable to sin until we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and reject it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. Gods' plan of salvation is to save us from sin. We are not saved in disobedience to God's Word.

Bob S said:
I do know one thing about what isn't sin, I know and that is it is not a sin for not observing the 7th-day Sabbath.

Sorry Bob, I respectfully disagree. According to the scriptures which are God's Word not mine, God only holds us accountable to sin when we have been given a knowledge of the truth of His Word and reject it *Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. God's 10 Commandments according to God's Word (not mine) in the new covenant, give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. It is also sin not to believe God's Word when we have been given a knowledge of the truth and reject it, as it is written...

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shall not covet.

ROMANS 3:20 [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

JAMES 2:10-11 [11], [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

ROMANS 14:23 ... whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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According to God's Word in the new covenant (not mine) if we knowingly break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11.

Bob S said:
The covenant was given to Israel which contained the Sabbath command was not, in any way, linked to the Israelites salvation Ex 19:5-6. God told Moses the law He was about to give Israel was to make them a Holy nation. It was a covenant of laws that were to be the governing rules while they sojourned in the desert and when they finally went into the Promised Land, Canaan. Israelites were saved just as Abraham, you and I are saved, by faith. By contrast, the new covenant is the covenant of salvation for all mankind. Israel, as the promised Land, is defunct and has been since Calvary when the old covenant was replaced with the new and better covenant with better promises.

Not really Bob, according to God's Word in the new covenant God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the new covenant we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentile believers are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Bob S said:
Lip service. Your posts do not demonstrate that you believe only in Grace. They do demonstrate that you believe we cannot be saved unless we keep the Sabbath, salvation by works. That is why you are so fixated in trying to make all the verses that contain the word commandments mean ten commandments. The great theme of the old covenant was law. The great theme of the new covenant is love. I do not fault you for observing a day, I do fault you for telling us we are sinners because we do not follow your belief system, something you have never proved to be the way of Christianity.

According to the scriptures Bob, God's grace is not a license to sin (break God's commandments) it is for obedience to the faith *ROMANS 1:5. No one loves God Bob by breaking anyone of His commandments *JOHN 14:15; JOHN 15:10. This has already been addressed in a detailed scriptures response here linked

Your welcome.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

Bob S said:
If only the ten are "God's laws" then whos laws are the remainder of the 613 laws? I find your definition to be wanting LGW. God's greatest commandments to the Israelites were not found in the ten commandments.

Not really Bob. I believe your mixing up God's eternal law (10 Commandments written on stone by the finger of God) *EXODUS 20:17 with the Mosaic "shadow laws" *HEBREWS 10:1-12 written in the book of the old covenant *EXODUS 24:7 unless you still believe in animal sacrifices many of these laws are fulfilled in JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant. As posted earlier how many commandments are there in the 10 commandments? Is there 9, 10 or 613? Scripture please Bob. Here are mine *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4. God's greatest commandments of love, are expressed through obedience to God's commandments not breaking them Bob (MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12). This has already been addressed in a detailed scripture response here linked.

Hope this helps

pasifika · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
There are many kinds of laws in the old covenant. The 10 commandments are called God's law. Do you know the difference between God's law written by God on two tables of stone with the finger of God and the Mosaic laws written by Moses in the book of the law? Do you know what the new covenant scriptures teach about the role of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant? If so please let us know.

You do know that JESUS was quoting Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18 in Matthew 22:36-40 right? I already brought this up in post # 1583 linked

I asked you what you think the linked post is about above. Perhaps its time to have another read?

Jesus says "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS" Matthew 22:36-40

The commandments of love only sum up how love is expressed and that is through obedience to God's Law *see Romans 13:8-10 and James 2:8-12.

If you do not know the answers to my questions above, it is alright, as I will be happy answer my own questions with God's help from the scriptures if you are interested just say so?

Hope this is helpful.

I’ve already answer it. You try to link the two greatest commandments of Love using the 10 commandments as the way to show that love (Love to God & others)...
I believe that’s is Not the way to show our love to God or others using the 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments is under the old covenant law with the children of Israel, and the requirements for following those commandments are works “mans own works” or righteousness by works without God...try and read Exodus 19:7,8 to see how that covenant was established between God and Israel...
Exodus 19:8..” The people All responded together “ we will do everything the Lord has said” so Moses brought their answer back to the Lord...

So obedience to the law is Not by old covenant of works (10 commandments etc) but new covenant of faith

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

pasifika said:
I’ve already answer it. You try to link the two greatest commandments of Love using the 10 commandments as the way to show that love (Love to God & others)...
I believe that’s is Not the way to show our love to God or others using the 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments is under the old covenant law with the children of Israel, and the requirements for following those commandments are works “mans own works” or righteousness by works without God...try and read Exodus 19:7,8 to see how that covenant was established between God and Israel...
Exodus 19:8..” The people All responded together “ we will do everything the Lord has said” so Moses brought their answer back to the Lord...

So obedience to the law is Not by old covenant of works (10 commandments etc) but new covenant of faith

Hmm nope. Not according to the scriptures. Do you show love to your neighbor by stealing from them or not stealing from them?

LOVE IS EXPRESSED THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW AS WE HAVE FAITH IN GOD'S WORD

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear. Let's look at the scriptures.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself [Sums up our duty of love in the 10 Commandments Romans 13:9] , you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

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LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise to OBEY God's LAW *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. WE enter into God's NEW COVENANT to LOVE unless we are BORN AGAIN...

JOHN 3:3-7
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

WHY do we need to be born again? As shown through the scriptures we have no LOVE.

1 JOHN 4:7-8 [7], Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. [8], He that loves not knows not God; for God is love.

NOTE: Sound familiar? 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 3:9 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

1 JOHN 4:12 No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 JOHN 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God has to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.

1 JOHN 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar [JESUS says they gave committed murder in their heart -Matthew 5:20-22] for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS - MATTHEW 22:36-40]

Continuing.

[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

He that is BORN of GOD does not commit sin because sin is breaking how God's LOVE is EXPRESSED through OBEDIENCE to God's WORD. This is expressed in a different way in 1 JOHN 3..

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NONE LOVE GOD or their fellow man while breaking any of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS as LOVE is an EXPRESSION of OBEYING them. You cannot separate the 10 Commandments from LOVE they are the very expression of what LOVE is and LOVE is the fulfilling of them under the NEW COVENANT promise * HEBREWS 8:10-12

Everything written in these last two posts are the CONTEXT you leave out of 1 JOHN 3:23.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

Bob S said:
2Cor 3:6-11. However, all you did was to skirt the issue that in those verses it says that the ten commandments are DONE AWAY. That does not mean that they are written on/in our hearts nor does it tell us that the Holy Spirit helps us to observe them. Those verses do tell us that the ten, as Israel's guide, is done away and now the Holy Spirit is now our guide. I believe the reason it is so hard for you to understand is because of your present beliefs are so strong.

No it doesn't Bob. 2 CORINTIANS 3:6-11 says no where that the 10 commandments are done away. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word *ROMANS 9:6-8. 2 CORINTHIANS 3 is talking about the old and new covenants. What do you think the new covenant is (HEBREWS 8:10-12)? Now question for you. How do you know what sin is if there is no knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 7:7? How do you know your a sinner in need of a Savior? What do you think GALATIANS 3:22-25 and MATTHEW 5:17-19 mean? God's Word says no where that Gods' 10 Commandments are abolished. That teachings is simply not biblical.

pasifika · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hmm nope. Not according to the scriptures. Do you show love to your neighbor by stealing from them or not stealing from them?

LOVE IS EXPRESSED THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW AS WE HAVE FAITH IN GOD'S WORD

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear. Let's look at the scriptures.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself [Sums up our duty of love in the 10 Commandments Romans 13:9] , you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

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LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise to OBEY God's LAW *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. WE enter into God's NEW COVENANT to LOVE unless we are BORN AGAIN...

JOHN 3:3-7
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

WHY do we need to be born again? As shown through the scriptures we have no LOVE.

1 JOHN 4:7-8 [7], Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. [8], He that loves not knows not God; for God is love.

NOTE: Sound familiar? 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 3:9 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

1 JOHN 4:12 No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 JOHN 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God has to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.

1 JOHN 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar [JESUS says they gave committed murder in their heart -Matthew 5:20-22] for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS - MATTHEW 22:36-40]

Continuing.

[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

He that is BORN of GOD does not commit sin because sin is breaking how God's LOVE is EXPRESSED through OBEDIENCE to God's WORD. This is expressed in a different way in 1 JOHN 3..

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NONE LOVE GOD or their fellow man while breaking any of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS as LOVE is an EXPRESSION of OBEYING them. You cannot separate the 10 Commandments from LOVE they are the very expression of what LOVE is and LOVE is the fulfilling of them under the NEW COVENANT promise * HEBREWS 8:10-12

Everything written in these last two posts are the CONTEXT you leave out of 1 JOHN 3:23.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

In the new covenant the focus is Love, if you love then you don't steal, covet etc and that love only comes when our heart is pure..and a pure heart comes from the Spirit who lives within His people.
And it's a GIFT not because we love Him BUT because of His mercy towards Us..
That is the difference of old covenant requirements of righteousness (by mans work) and new covenant of Righteousness (God's work)...

So you can easily see those of old covenant law followers are self righteous they think they are more special or knowledgeable about God's Divine purpose just like those who follow it before them eg, Teacher of laws, Pharisee etc, they cannot see that they needed mercy from God. If they do, they will show mercy towards others just as they needed mercy from God...

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

pasifika said:
In the new covenant the focus is Love, if you love then you don't steal, covet etc and that love only comes when our heart is pure..and a pure heart comes from the Spirit who lives within His people.
And it's a GIFT not because we love Him BUT because of His mercy towards Us..
That is the difference of old covenant requirements of righteousness (by mans work) and new covenant of Righteousness (God's work)...

So you can easily see those of old covenant law followers are self righteous they think they are more special or knowledgeable about God's Devine purpose just like those who follow it before them eg, Teacher of laws, Pharisee etc, they cannot see that they needed mercy from God. If they do, they will show mercy towards others just as they needed mercy from God...

Hello pasifika,

As shown through the scriptures earlier, Gods' law is not separated from love as love is expressed through obedience to God's law *ROMANS 13:8-10. If we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we show we do not love God or our fellow man. As JESUS says in his own words (not mine) "ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN, HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (Grk doing) OF THE LAW.

LOVE is not something you can do of yourself it is God's gift and new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 of a new heart in those who are born again by faith and walk in the Spirit *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-9. Those who practice sin have not seen him or known him *1 JOHN 3:6. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 JOHN 3:9-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Thats why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. Unless we are born again to love we cannot see the kingdom of heaven according to JESUS *JOHN 3:3-7. God's law is our school master to lead us to Christ *GALATIANS 3:22-25 that we might be forgiven through faith *ROMANS 8:1-4 so we can be free to walk in God's Spirit to love *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:4; ROMANS 3:31. HEBREWS 8:10-12

No one loves God by breaking God's 10 commandments.

Hope this is helpful

pasifika · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello pasifika,

As shown through the scriptures earlier, Gods' law is not separated from love as love is expressed through obedience to God's law *ROMANS 13:8-10. If we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we show we do not love God or our fellow man. As JESUS says in his own words (not mine) "ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN, HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (Grk doing) OF THE LAW.

LOVE is not something you can do of yourself it is God's gift and new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 of a new heart in those who are born again by faith and walk in the Spirit *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-9. Those who practice sin have not seen him or known him *1 JOHN 3:6. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 JOHN 3:9-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Thats why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. Unless we are born again to love we cannot see the kingdom of heaven according to JESUS *JOHN 3:3-7. God's law is our school master to lead us to Christ *GALATIANS 3:22-25 that we might be forgiven through faith *ROMANS 8:1-4 so we can be free to walk in God's Spirit to love *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:4; ROMANS 3:31. HEBREWS 8:10-12

No one loves God by breaking God's 10 commandments.

Hope this is helpful

I hope you can see you mix the commandments under old covenant and commandments under new covenant...
If you write down all the commandments under NC you cannot find the commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath for the church ...maybe you can help me find it...

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

pasifika said:
I hope you can see you mix the commandments under old covenant and commandments under new covenant...
If you write down all the commandments under NC you cannot find the commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath for the church ...maybe you can help me find it...

Really? You mean like this one...

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated all through the new covenant (scripture proof here linked and here linked). Look at all the scriptures dear friend they are all new covenant scriptures.

Hope this helps

klutedavid · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello pasifika,

As shown through the scriptures earlier, Gods' law is not separated from love as love is expressed through obedience to God's law *ROMANS 13:8-10. If we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we show we do not love God or our fellow man. As JESUS says in his own words (not mine) "ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS OF LOVE TO GOD AND MAN, HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (Grk doing) OF THE LAW.

LOVE is not something you can do of yourself it is God's gift and new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 of a new heart in those who are born again by faith and walk in the Spirit *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:6-9. Those who practice sin have not seen him or known him *1 JOHN 3:6. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 JOHN 3:9-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Thats why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. Unless we are born again to love we cannot see the kingdom of heaven according to JESUS *JOHN 3:3-7. God's law is our school master to lead us to Christ *GALATIANS 3:22-25 that we might be forgiven through faith *ROMANS 8:1-4 so we can be free to walk in God's Spirit to love *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:4; ROMANS 3:31. HEBREWS 8:10-12

No one loves God by breaking God's 10 commandments.

Hope this is helpful

Your saying that not coveting your neighbors oxen, is actually divine love in action. I find that hard to believe.

My neighbors buys a new shiny spade and starts to dig a hole. I think to myself, now I want that new spade. But resisting that desire for the spade is really God's eternal love, being directed towards my neighbor.

There is a serious problem with the way you understand God's love.

pasifika · Aug 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Really? You mean like this one...

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated all through the new covenant (scripture proof here linked and here linked). Look at all the scriptures dear friend they are all new covenant scriptures.

Hope this helps

Maybe you read Hebrew 4 again..start from verse 4-9.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Maybe you read Hebrew 4 again..start from verse 4-9.

No need I have read it starting from v1. Do you know what Hebrews 4:1-5 is talking about and what God's rest is?

THE SABBATH TRUTH!

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