Justin-H.S.
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No it is not. This is a conservative talking point.
Do you know the difference between theocracy and monarchy?
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No it is not. This is a conservative talking point.
You seem to have overlooked its original purpose....haven't you?Like Hagia Sophia, the building was most recently a museum for decades.
Like Hagia Sophia, it was a mosque before that for centuries.
Like Hagia Sophia, this is a rotten move.
You seem to have overlooked its original purpose....haven't you?
I sure do. When a monarchical power rules by divine law that are employing theocratic legislation.
Wait--what makes you think I am unaware of these things? I simply disagree with you--I'm not ignorant of basic history. Let's not assume a monarchy cannot also be theocratic. A democracy can also be a theocracy. None of these things are mutually exclusive. And claiming a government rules by the concept of symphonia does not actually get one out of being a theocracy if they are ruled by laws from holy text.The easiest way to remember it is -
Theocracy: Priests rule by divine rite
Monarchy: Kings rule by divine rite
Do you understand the concept of Byzantine Symphonia?
The "Church"is NOT the building but the ""PEOPLE"Turkey’s Erdogan Converts Another Historic Church Into Mosque
Less than a month after converting the Hagia Sophia cathedral into a mosque, Turkey is moving ahead with its campaign to erase the country’s Christian past. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday ordered the conversion of Istanbul’s Church of the Holy Savior in Chora, or Kariye, to a Muslim place of worship.
The move comes after Erdogan on July 24 personally led first prayers at Hagia Sophia, marking the turning of the 1500-year-old cathedral into a mosque. Turkey’s top imam carried an Ottoman sword to the pulpit at the ceremony, symbolizing the victory of Islam over the Christian Byzantine Empire.
Erdogan appears to be moving along in his efforts to re-convert his country into an Islamic republic or some semblance thereof.....
Wait--what makes you think I am unaware of these things? I simply disagree with you--I'm not ignorant of basic history. Let's not assume a monarchy cannot also be theocratic. A democracy can also be a theocracy. None of these things are mutually exclusive. And claiming a government rules by the concept of symphonia does not actually get one out of being a theocracy if they are ruled by laws from holy text.
The easiest way to remember it is -
Theocracy: Priests rule by divine rite
Monarchy: Kings rule by divine rite
Do you understand the concept of Byzantine Symphonia?
I can only imagine if the brutal theocracies of old had 20th c. tools at their disposal.It also is a feature of atheistic governments which have a worse body count...
I can only imagine if the brutal theocracies of old had 20th c. tools at their disposal.
No, that is not how I am using the term. A state with a sponsored religion may or may not be a theocracy. There are also degrees of theocratic rule. For example, in the US we do not have theocratic elements. Prior to the US, the British had blasphemy laws, but was still not a full theocratic government--they had a parliament. The Puritans were a theocratic government. Boston, before the Revolutionary war, had many laws which originated fro theocratic ideas of government. Few states have beed complete theocracies, but that does not mean they do not include strong theocratic positions or strains of ideology.Yeah but this sort of thing basically waters down the actual term of theocracy, which is used to talk about places like the Vatican, Mount Athos, Caliphates etc. You are using that term for any government that has any theocratic elements at all, basically any government that is not completely secular (something that did not even exist until the last few centuries), even a nice democratic place like ancient pagan Athens still had a state religion etc.
So when the US finally elects its first atheist president should we call the US an Atheiocracy?
Few states have beed complete theocracies, but that does not mean they do not include strong theocratic positions or strains of ideology.
I agree, but there is no inherent ideology with atheism. For an ideology, an atheist has to adopt some other philosophy. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. Maybe you are thinking of Humanism or Nihilism--something would have to be added to my atheism to give me a worldview. All you could know about someone who said they are an atheist is that they don't believe in a god or gods. They are still likely to believe in all sorts of nonsense like crystals or horoscopes.Yeah the problem is ideology and that is a problem for all people in general, including secularists and atheists.
But not by you....unsurprisingly.....Unlike its time as a mosque and a museum, the building's time as a church was mentioned in the OP.
hey are still likely to believe in all sorts of nonsense like crystals or horoscopes.
But it is not a theocracy....words have meanings.....I sure do. When a monarchical power rules by divine law that are employing theocratic legislation.
Oh but how much more he could have accomplished with modern weaponry!No need Tamerlane did just fine with bows and swords......
Atheism is really a weird term because it only relates to whether or not a person believes in a god of some sort. I wouldn't say I am an A-bigfootist or an Aleprechaunist. If I said I was an Aleprechaunist you still would know nothing about my politics, what my ideas on ethics were, or whether I had strange ideas about other things. Atheism is only the answer to one question.New Age atheists? OK that sort of is a new one on me. I know that Buddhists can be atheists but I expected atheists population among atheists would be virtually nil unless they are trying to develop some kind of power like telepathy etc. that they believe resides in the brain. Most basically are Materialists.