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Leviticus 19:15. You shall do no injustice in judgment.
You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty.
In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.

Deuteronomy 6:25. Then it will be our righteousness, if we are careful to observe
all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.

Why were commandments needed for righteousness?
Deuteronomy 9:
4 Do not think in your heart, after the Lord your God has cast them out before you,
saying, Because of my righteousness the Lord has brought me in to possess this land;
but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out
from before you.
5 It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that
you go in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations

that the Lord your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill the word
which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 Therefore understand that the Lord your God is not giving you this good land to possess
because of your righteousness, for you are a stiff-necked people.

1 Timothy 1:
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless
and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane.

Was James being trivial in mentioning partiality?
James 2:
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,
You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted
by the law as transgressors.

This is unrighteous behavior at its most fundamental.

Leviticus 19:
15 You shall do no injustice in judgment.
You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty.
In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.
16 You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people; nor shall
you take a stand against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord.
17 You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor,
and not bear sin because of him.
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people,
but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Righteousness is a character trait of God that is expressed by doing what is righteous, and God's law is His instructions for how to express that character trait, not for how to attain it. When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law, and in Habakkuk 2:4, the righteous shall live by faith, so obedience to God's law is what living by faith looks like. Likewise, in Revelation 14:12, those who kept God's commandments are the same as those who kept faith in Jesus.

In Deuteronomy 6:20-25, obedience to God's law is in regard to having faith in God to defeat Pharaoh, to bring them up out of Egypt, to bring them to the land that He promised to their fathers, that His law is for our own good, and to preserve us. So the reason why we are careful to do all that God has commanded us is because of our faith and it is by that same faith that righteousness is ours.
 
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Righteousness is a character trait of God that is expressed by doing what is righteous, and God's law is His instructions for how to express that character trait, not for how to attain it. When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law, and in Habakkuk 2:4, the righteous shall live by faith, so obedience to God's law is what living by faith looks like. Likewise, in Revelation 14:12, those who kept God's commandments are the same as those who kept faith in Jesus.

In Deuteronomy 6:20-25, obedience to God's law is in regard to having faith in God to defeat Pharaoh, to bring them up out of Egypt, to bring them to the land that He promised to their fathers, that His law is for our own good, and to preserve us. So the reason why we are careful to do all that God has commanded us is because of our faith and it is by that same faith that righteousness is ours.
There is a problem here with what you are proclaiming Soyeong. The ritual laws that God gave to Israel had to be observed if they were to be righteous. Christians today are not subject to the laws given only to Israel. We have our own laws given to us by the Son who redeemed us from the consequences of sin and what sin is. Jesus at Calvary gave Israel a new start with new laws. The laws that came only to condemn Israel were removed and the new way Jesus gave to all mankind is to love others as He loves us. He gave His life for us because of His unending love. The thou shalt nots are now if we love our brothers and sisters like Jesus loves us we will not do any of the "thou shalt nots". What we do for the least of God's children we do for and to Jesus. This is what Christianity is all about. Israel had special days and other obligations. Christians have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If we listen to both we will have the Royal law of His love in our hearts. That is what it is all about my friend. Keeping days has no bearing on our love for Jesus and His love for us.
 
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Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, and he did not go to the cross in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example. It is up for Gentiles to look at the Mosaic Law that Jesus taught by word and by example and to decide whether to become his follower. There is nothing in the Bible that says that Jesus gave a new set or laws are Calvary and God does not have different sets us ways to act in accordance with His righteousness. If the way to act in accordance with God's righteousness were to change when the New Covenant was made, the God's righteousness would not be eternal. God is not an unloving Father who gave the Mosaic Law only to condemn His children, but rather He is a loving Father who gave His law for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Mosaic Law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so that is how he expressed his love and how we are to love as he loved. In 1 John 5:3, if we love God, then we will obey His commandments, so if we love God, then we will keep His holy days. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law.
 
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I love your enthusiasm Soyeong, even if the message you proclaim is not in accordance with the scripture I read. I can tell you love the Lord and in your own way serve Him. The fact is we are under the NEW covenant, the one that is not like the old one, the one with better promises. Paul over and over tells us we are not under the law. That was the laws of the old covenant that Jesus kept. For you to try to tell us that to follow Jesus we must keep the laws that He kept I have to dispute that completely. The covenant that contained those laws ended at Calvary. Israel broke that covenant and it is null and void. That covenant contained all the laws that Jesus kept. No old covenant, no ritual laws of the covenant. To make it clear all the Laws God has given man that are of morality are forever. It is all the ritual laws that God only gave to Israel that are not in the new covenant.
 
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I love your enthusiasm Soyeong, even if the message you proclaim is not in accordance with the scripture I read. I can tell you love the Lord and in your own way serve Him. The fact is we are under the NEW covenant, the one that is not like the old one, the one with better promises. Paul over and over tells us we are not under the law. That was the laws of the old covenant that Jesus kept. For you to try to tell us that to follow Jesus we must keep the laws that He kept I have to dispute that completely. The covenant that contained those laws ended at Calvary. Israel broke that covenant and it is null and void. That covenant contained all the laws that Jesus kept. No old covenant, no ritual laws of the covenant. To make it clear all the Laws God has given man that are of morality are forever. It is all the ritual laws that God only gave to Israel that are not in the new covenant.

Thank you. I agree that we are under a New Covenant that is not like the Mosaic Covenant that is based on better promises and has a superior mediator, and that way that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, however, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so that is not one of the ways that they are not like each other (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10). I agree that we are not under the law, however, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe God's holy, righteous, and good law, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. The goal of a Christian should straightforwardly be to follow what Christ taught, and what he taught by word and by example was how to obey the Mosaic Law. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather it still involves following God's law.

The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any number of covenants can be made or become obsolete and none of that will ever change which actions are righteous or sinful. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, so there is no sense in thinking that the Mosaic Covenant becoming obsolete would cause adultery to no longer be sinful. Adultery will always be sinful no matter how many covenants God makes, and was sinful even before God made any covenants with man, so focusing on that the fact that we aren't under the Mosaic Covenant is complete irrelevant.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, so following those instructions is testify about God's holiness, while refusing to submit by faith to those instructions is bearing false witness against God's holiness. In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are included as part of God's chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and a treasure of God's own possess, which are terms used to describe Israel (Deuteronomy 7:6), so Gentiles also have the delight of getting to follow the instructions that God gave to Israel for how to fulfill those roles. There is no sense in a Gentile wanting to become part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation.
 
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In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) Paul say in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.





 
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Thank you. I agree that we are under a New Covenant that is not like the Mosaic Covenant that is based on better promises and has a superior mediator, and that way that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, however, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so that is not one of the ways that they are not like each other (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10). I agree that we are not under the law, however, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe God's holy, righteous, and good law, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. The goal of a Christian should straightforwardly be to follow what Christ taught, and what he taught by word and by example was how to obey the Mosaic Law. Jesus did not establish the New Covenant in order to undermine anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example, but rather it still involves following God's law.
So far your post only confuses me. Please explain the "law of sin" to me. Where did Paul do that describing? The Holy, righteous and good laws, as you describe the laws of the Sinai covenant, were broken so many times that God finally sent His Son to fulfill the laws of the covenant and introduce Israel to a new and better covenant. I like to call the new covenant the covenant of Love because that is what Jesus asks Christians to live by. Since the covenant given only to Israel and not any other nation was specific and had many ritual laws that pertained only to Israel why would God require His new covenant church which reaches out to all mankind to have to retain those specific laws?

The way to act in accordance with God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, so any number of covenants can be made or become obsolete and none of that will ever change which actions are righteous or sinful. For example, it was righteous to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, so there is no sense in thinking that the Mosaic Covenant becoming obsolete would cause adultery to no longer be sinful. Adultery will always be sinful no matter how many covenants God makes, and was sinful even before God made any covenants with man, so focusing on that the fact that we aren't under the Mosaic Covenant is complete irrelevant.
You might want to change what I changed to blue. You are right about adultery and should include any law that deals with morality. The nine commandments that deal with morality are just the tip of the iceberg. All of the laws that deal with morality are found in the law of Love.
 
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So far your post only confuses me. Please explain the "law of sin" to me. Where did Paul do that describing? The Holy, righteous and good laws, as you describe the laws of the Sinai covenant, were broken so many times that God finally sent His Son to fulfill the laws of the covenant and introduce Israel to a new and better covenant. I like to call the new covenant the covenant of Love because that is what Jesus asks Christians to live by. Since the covenant given only to Israel and not any other nation was specific and had many ritual laws that pertained only to Israel why would God require His new covenant church which reaches out to all mankind to have to retain those specific laws?

In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, and which he served with his flesh. In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law was not sinful, but that it is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease. However, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, so it is the opposite of the Mosaic Law. So verses that describe a law that is sinful or that causes sin to increase are referring to the law of sin rather than to the Mosaic Law, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, 1 Corinthians 15:56, and Galatians 5:16-18.

The way to do what is holy, righteous, and good is based on God's eternal holiness, righteousness, and goodness, not based on how often God's commands are broken. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so Jesus was one of many who fulfilled the law by teaching how to correctly obey it. In Exodus 20:6, God wanted His people to love Him and obey His commandments, so the Mosaic Covenant is also a covenant of Love. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so that is what he asked his followers to live by.

Israel was given the role by God of being a light to the nations (Isaiah 2:2-3, 49:6), so there is no sense in a Gentile refusing the light of God's word because it was given to Israel to teach to them instead of being directly given to them. Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so there is no sense in a Gentile looking at the Law of Moses that he taught by word and by example and wanting to become his follower while refusing to follow what he taught. The Mosaic Law was given to testify about Jesus (John 5:39-40) and as his followers we should live an a way that testifies about who he is by living in obedience to it rather than living in a way that bears false witness against him by living in disobedience to it.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, so following those eternal instructions is testifying about God's eternal holiness. In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of God's chosen people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which are terms used to describe Israel (Deuteronomy 7:6), so Gentiles also have the delight of getting to follow the instructions that God gave for how to fulfill those roles, and there is no sense in a Gentile wanting to become part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation.

You might want to change what I changed to blue.

Thanks for the catch, I meant to say that it was sinful.

You are right about adultery and should include any law that deals with morality. The nine commandments that deal with morality are just the tip of the iceberg. All of the laws that deal with morality are found in the law of Love.

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's are inherently deal with morality and there are no examples in the Bible of disobedience to any of God's laws being considered moral, so there aren't any biblical grounds for thinking that God has given any laws that don't deal with morality. All of the laws that God has give are examples of what it looks like to love Him and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so they are all connected, and the Mosaic Law is the Law of Love. Jesus expressed His love for the Father and his neighbor through his actions, and what that looked like was sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how we are to love as he loved. The way to express our love for God is through testifying about who He is by expressing His nature through our actions in obedience to His law, and there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect obedience to God with showing our love for Him.

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Paul says in (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27)
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if people are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all people have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
 
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No one that I know of on this forum has ever said we are lawless because all of the first covenant came to an end. Most of you that accuse new covenant believers of being lawless do not observe all of the laws of the first covenant. You are fixated on just the ten and not the remainder of the law. Yes, we know that Jesus is the final sacrifice, but what about the remainder of the 613 laws that governed Israel. According to most of you the word commandments has to mean the ten commandments and that is something you cannot prove and I and others have proved otherwise, but you are so blind. 1Jn 3:19-24
 
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Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the true starts from Genesis to Revelation.

Paul said in
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.
 
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Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the true starts from Genesis to Revelation.

Paul said in
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness.
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Notice that every sin Paul refers to is dealing with morality He never admonishes us to keep the rituals given only to Israel, yet here we are still debating the old law and what commandments are apropos. Paul is very clear, those who tell us we have to observe the ritual laws of the old covenant aren't and as you pointed out they cherry pick verses that actually do not prove anything related to the subject.
 
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Welcome Brother T.
Notice that every sin Paul refers to is dealing with morality He never admonishes us to keep the rituals given only to Israel, yet here we are still debating the old law and what commandments are apropos. Paul is very clear, those who tell us we have to observe the ritual laws of the old covenant aren't and as you pointed out they cherry pick verses that actually do not prove anything related to the subject.

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
 
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In Romans 7:21-25, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, and which he served with his flesh. In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law was not sinful, but that it is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease. However, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, so it is the opposite of the Mosaic Law. So verses that describe a law that is sinful or that causes sin to increase are referring to the law of sin rather than to the Mosaic Law, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, 1 Corinthians 15:56, and Galatians 5:16-18.

The way to do what is holy, righteous, and good is based on God's eternal holiness, righteousness, and goodness, not based on how often God's commands are broken. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so Jesus was one of many who fulfilled the law by teaching how to correctly obey it. In Exodus 20:6, God wanted His people to love Him and obey His commandments, so the Mosaic Covenant is also a covenant of Love. Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so that is what he asked his followers to live by.

Israel was given the role by God of being a light to the nations (Isaiah 2:2-3, 49:6), so there is no sense in a Gentile refusing the light of God's word because it was given to Israel to teach to them instead of being directly given to them. Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced, so there is no sense in a Gentile looking at the Law of Moses that he taught by word and by example and wanting to become his follower while refusing to follow what he taught. The Mosaic Law was given to testify about Jesus (John 5:39-40) and as his followers we should live an a way that testifies about who he is by living in obedience to it rather than living in a way that bears false witness against him by living in disobedience to it.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, so following those eternal instructions is testifying about God's eternal holiness. In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of God's chosen people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which are terms used to describe Israel (Deuteronomy 7:6), so Gentiles also have the delight of getting to follow the instructions that God gave for how to fulfill those roles, and there is no sense in a Gentile wanting to become part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation.



Thanks for the catch, I meant to say that it was sinful.



Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's are inherently deal with morality and there are no examples in the Bible of disobedience to any of God's laws being considered moral, so there aren't any biblical grounds for thinking that God has given any laws that don't deal with morality. All of the laws that God has give are examples of what it looks like to love Him and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so they are all connected, and the Mosaic Law is the Law of Love. Jesus expressed His love for the Father and his neighbor through his actions, and what that looked like was sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how we are to love as he loved. The way to express our love for God is through testifying about who He is by expressing His nature through our actions in obedience to His law, and there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect obedience to God with showing our love for Him.

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Okay, now you have really enlightened me. Sin is the opposite of the Mosaic law. Since we are not under the Mosaic law then there isn't any sin. That would make complete sense If Jesus had not given us the new command to love others as He loves us. Boy, for a moment until I remembered Jesus new command I thought it would be okay to do just as I please kinda like those who think they are under all the laws given only to Israel (the Mosaic law) and pick and choose the ones of the 613 they are able to do the best they can at observing hoping God will understand.
 
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1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Paul was not telling us we must observe the Passover of the Israelites, he was telling us about the feast of communion, Last Supper. Boy, we have to watch like a hawk all the out of context texts. Why would gentiles, that had no knowledge of Israel's flight out of Egypt, have any need to observe a ritual that didn't in the least concern them?
 
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Paul was not telling us we must observe the Passover of the Israelites, he was telling us about the feast of communion, Last Supper. Boy, we have to watch like a hawk all the out of context texts. Why would gentiles, that had no knowledge of Israel's flight out of Egypt, have any need to observe a ritual that didn't in the least concern them?

It is my understanding that Egypt, in the Law that is Spiritual as Paul says, represents sin and deception. And after the Blood of the Lamb of God was shed for those snared by this sin, they came out of sin, in haste. The journey to be "sin free" or unleavened is for all mankind, as Paul didn't distinguish between Jew and Gentile when he taught us about the Feast I posted..

Paul understood that this Feast was given "for our sake's" no doubt, as with all the Laws and Examples that HE said were written for our admonition.

Paul most certainly believed in the Feasts of the Christ, as Acts clearly shows.

Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they (Mainstream Preachers of his time) call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:


Religions of the land have always omitted and rejected Many of God's Words and instruction since the very beginning, so it is no surprise that they continue omitting His Word's and instructions today.

But Paul most certainly didn't reject the Feast of Unleavened Bread as the scripture I posted clearly points out.
 
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How is it that you are so sure of what you believe the real truth and do you recognize that you could be wrong? It would seem to me that our faithful loving God would not allow all the other people who believe in Jesus and love their fellow man to be so deceived as you proclaim. It would have been so simple for Paul to have written that the old covenant he was referring to was actually the Levite covenant. What would he have to gain by not expressing that fact?

By the way, are you a singular movement or do you belong to a recognized organization? Where do you go for fellowship?
 
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Okay, now you have really enlightened me. Sin is the opposite of the Mosaic law. Since we are not under the Mosaic law then there isn't any sin. That would make complete sense If Jesus had not given us the new command to love others as He loves us. Boy, for a moment until I remembered Jesus new command I thought it would be okay to do just as I please kinda like those who think they are under all the laws given only to Israel (the Mosaic law) and pick and choose the ones of the 613 they are able to do the best they can at observing hoping God will understand.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's law. Those who are not under God's law have no need to refrain from sin, have no need of grace, and have no need for Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and are obligated to refrain from sin regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. For example, God judged the world with the Flood because of their sin even though they weren't even in a covenant relationship with Him. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became or ceased to be sinful when it was given, but rather the Mosaic Law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that.

In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Mosaic Law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so the command to love is the same as the command to obey the Mosaic Law. Someone who was living in obedience to the command to love would be no different from someone who was living in obedience to the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow, and that is how we are to love as he loves us.
 
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