You Know... Maybe The 'Church' is on to Som'n Here?

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Is it possible the 'church' learned long ago, that people to not come to, or even retain belief in YHWH, based upon logic/reason, and 'evidence'. Maybe the 'church' has long known that the way to keep it's audience, is by promoting or using emotion. Emotion looks to be the predominate prevailing 'reason' believers believe. Why can I state this with almost reckless abandon? Please read the following thread (Is the Whole of Apologetics Merely a Facade?). Please also reference the following video (
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Even the most 'cunning' of apologists, when ultimately pressed for their primary reason they believe, has really nothing to do with arguments and evidence. It has to do with warm squishing felt feelings.


I have to hand it to the many preachers out there, I now understand why they read the Gospel, in the manor in which they read the Gospel. It's not the words, it's the emotion.

However, is it possible emotion, (in all it's glory), is not a sound measurement for truth?
 

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Oh, I found it.

Tsk tsk tsk...why so myopic?

It seems you are all about intellect versus emotions.

When you meet another person is it all about one or the other or do you meet them as a whole person...to person?
 
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Is it possible the 'church' learned long ago, that people to not come to, or even retain belief in YHWH, based upon logic/reason, and 'evidence'. Maybe the 'church' has long known that the way to keep it's audience, is by promoting or using emotion. Emotion looks to be the predominate prevailing 'reason' believers believe. Why can I state this with almost reckless abandon? Please read the following thread (Is the Whole of Apologetics Merely a Facade?). Please also reference the following video (
).

Even the most 'cunning' of apologists, when ultimately pressed for their primary reason they believe, has really nothing to do with arguments and evidence. It has to do with warm squishing felt feelings.


I have to hand it to the many preachers out there, I now understand why they read the Gospel, in the manor in which they read the Gospel. It's not the words, it's the emotion.

However, is it possible emotion, (in all it's glory), is not a sound measurement for truth?

I didn't watch the video but I agree with your points.

If you watch old television programs or listen to old radio programs, pay attention to the commercials. You'll notice a couple things. Firstly, there are a lot of promotions for cigarettes. But secondly, when they are advertising things that you actually need (such as toothpaste), they do attempt to make logical arguments. "Buy our product because x, y, and z." Compare that to today's "Look at this bunny, now buy our product."

The advertising industry naturally thought that we apes would be persuaded by logic and rational thought. How silly of them! Psychological manipulation is much more effective. It took them a couple decades to catch on, but yes, you're right, religion has known for much longer.
 
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Even if you are correct and it is some charismatic gifting of the speaker, well, where do you think this came from?

1 Corinthians 4:7
"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?"
 
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I didn't watch the video but I agree with your points.

If you watch old television programs or listen to old radio programs, pay attention to the commercials. You'll notice a couple things. Firstly, there are a lot of promotions for cigarettes. But secondly, when they are advertising things that you actually need (such as toothpaste), they do attempt to make logical arguments. "Buy our product because x, y, and z." Compare that to today's "Look at this bunny, now buy our product."

The advertising industry naturally thought that we apes would be persuaded by logic and rational thought. How silly of them! Psychological manipulation is much more effective. It took them a couple decades to catch on, but yes, you're right, religion has known for much longer.

If you have 25 minutes to burn, the video raises many good points. You may already be aware, but still....

And yea, in the 'industry', I learned this in middle school drama class. It's called 'appeal to emotion.'
 
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Is it possible the 'church' learned long ago, that people to not come to, or even retain belief in YHWH, based upon logic/reason, and 'evidence'. Maybe the 'church' has long known that the way to keep it's audience, is by promoting or using emotion. Emotion looks to be the predominate prevailing 'reason' believers believe. Why can I state this with almost reckless abandon? Please read the following thread (Is the Whole of Apologetics Merely a Facade?). Please also reference the following video (
).

Even the most 'cunning' of apologists, when ultimately pressed for their primary reason they believe, has really nothing to do with arguments and evidence. It has to do with warm squishing felt feelings.


I have to hand it to the many preachers out there, I now understand why they read the Gospel, in the manor in which they read the Gospel. It's not the words, it's the emotion.

However, is it possible emotion, (in all it's glory), is not a sound measurement for truth?
Threats are quite popular too. How many times have we heard someone say that God will judge us one day--a not so subtle threat that we are going to suffer in hell for lacking belief.
 
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1 Corinthians 12:7

Yes the Church definitely is on to something.

They are called spiritual gifts.


*Thx for this thread, "partially in honor of me" by the way.

Please see post #6. I think @Nihilist Virus hit the nail on the head. It is merely an appeal to emotion.
 
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Threats are quite popular too. How many times have we heard someone say that God will judge us one day--as not so subtle threat that we are going to suffer in hell for lacking belief.

True dat :)
 
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If you have 25 minutes to burn, the video raises many good points. You may already be aware, but still....

And yea, in the 'industry', I learned this in middle school drama class. It's called 'appeal to emotion.'
The term 'God' in scripture is an axiom meaning the source of the energy that created all things. Without such a term there can be no deductive nor inductive reasoning. Which brings us to the term 'faith'. The term faith in scripture refers to the trustworthiness of 'God". Hence it's not a sound reasoning that doesn't trust the power that made yourself.
 
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The term 'God' in scripture is an axiom meaning the source of the energy that created all things. Without such a term there can be no deductive nor inductive reasoning. Which brings us to the term 'faith'. The term faith in scripture refers to the trustworthiness of 'God". Hence it's not a sound reasoning that doesn't trust the power that made yourself.

Nice blank assertion. And nice tact in question begging.

My turn. Nuh-uh.
 
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Nice blank assertion. And nice tact in question begging.

My turn. Nuh-uh.
Respectfully, I made no blank assertions. I explained the meanings of two terms as used in scripture and I pointed to the implications as a matter of sound reasoning. To be more clear, we are here and we didn't simply appear out of nowhere. That's not a blank assertion. It's quite logical that people who want to know will ask questions.
 
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Please see post #6. I think @Nihilist Virus hit the nail on the head. It is merely an appeal to emotion.

Yeah, I'm one (or two...or...etc...) Steps ahead of you bud.

You really need to address your fixation with emotion.
 
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Respectfully, I made no blank assertions. I explained the meanings of two terms as used in scripture and I pointed to the implications as a matter of sound reasoning. To be more clear, we are here and we didn't simply appear out of nowhere. That's not a blank assertion. People who want to know ask questions.

I've had the epiphany that @cvanwey may be trying to get a rise out of us for tactical reasons.

Either that, or he is easy prey to the emotions he so hates (or does he/she...).
 
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If you have 25 minutes to burn, the video raises many good points. You may already be aware, but still....

And yea, in the 'industry', I learned this in middle school drama class. It's called 'appeal to emotion.'

Are you in the industry?
 
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However, is it possible emotion, (in all it's glory), is not a sound measurement for truth?

It's not a sound measurement for faith either. I can understand skeptics though, when they see the many charlatans out there (and the many gullible Christians as well) concluding none of it's real, but my personal experiences lead me to a different conclusion. I don't attend church and I'm not interested in emotionalism. But I recognized the truth, however unpopular it may become.
 
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I've had the epiphany that @cvanwey may be trying to get a rise out of us for tactical reasons.

Either that, or he is easy prey to the emotions he so hates (or does he/she...).
Hard to get a feel for the person, but I assure you they're not a Vulcan.
 
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and the many gullible Christians as well

Mark 10:15
"Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.""

I don't know if we would consider a child gullible, but I'm sure they don't know much about "psychological manipulation" or "appeal to emotion" or anything else like that.
 
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Mark 10:15
"Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.""

I don't know if we would consider a child gullible, but I'm sure they don't know much about "psychological manipulation" or "appeal to emotion" or anything else like that.

I'm sure they don't either. But I don't think Mark 10:15 is speaking about gullibility, but rather sincerety. The good news is, a sincere seeker can find Christ even sitting in the pew of charlatans.

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16
 
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I'm sure they don't either. But I don't think Mark 10:15 is speaking about gullibility, but rather sincerety. The good news is, a sincere seeker can find Christ even sitting in the pew of charlatans.

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Matthew 10:16

His Word will not return void, wherever it is sent.
 
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