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Wow, there has been a lot of explaining here on what each persons believes and see things by the way of exegesis, and by the spirit.

Thank you all for your detailed and meaningful explanations that each of you have given today.
Everything with John is absolute. There is light and darkness in the gospel. There is life and death. There’s the kingdom of God, and there’s the kingdom of the devil. There are the children of God, and there are the children of the devil. There’s the judgment of the righteous, and there’s the judgment of the wicked. There is salvation, and there’s damnation. There’s receiving Christ and rejecting Christ. There is a vine, and it has some branches with fruit and some with no fruit. There is obedience to His commands, and there is disobedience t His commands. And that’s the way it’s always portrayed by John.

And when you get to the epistles, it’s the same thing. There are those who are in the light and those who are in the darkness. There are those who confess their sin and those who deny their sin. There are those who are disobedient to Christ and those who are obedient to Him. There are those who love others and those who don’t; those who love God and those who don’t; those who are righteous and those who are sinful; those who keep the commandments and those who don’t; those who believe and those who don’t. And it’s just that simple. gty

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I do my best to deny myself daily and follow Him. The flesh is hostile towards God and I submit myself to His will not my will. Do I succeed all the time? no
Because the Word or related terms have multiple meanings and detesting and reviling is one of them.


Do you honestly think Jesus wants you to literally hate your family?

Yeah, here is the word. I think in all these scenarios (cut your hand off, gouge your eye out, hate yourself and family) Jesus was using extremes to teach the point that you can't value or esteem anything over Him and the Kingdom of God. This is the meaning IMO. :)

We help support missionaries over in India, and sometimes when a person starts following Jesus they are disowned and even in fear of their life- run out of the village. The gospel divides, no doubt.

3404. miseó
Strong's Concordance
miseó: to hate
Original Word: μισέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: miseó
Phonetic Spelling: (mis-eh'-o)
Definition: to hate
Usage: I hate, detest, love less, esteem less.
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3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).

[Note the comparative meaning of 3404 (miséō) which centers in moral choice, elevating one value over another.]
 
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John writes in black and white with no room for gray. His perspective is clear and no room for anything in-between. Here are some of his contrasts:

Good/evil is seen in His writings by the following imagery of opposite’s.

Light/darkness. In addition to light/darkness, truth/lies, love/hate, life/death, righteousness/sin, children of light/children of darkness, children of God/children of the devil, sons of God, sons of the evil one, God/satan, Christ/anti-christ, obey/disobey, in the light/in the darkness, heaven/hell, fear/love, confess/deny, confess sin/deny sin, practice righteousness/practice sin, continue in sin/continue in righteousness, listen to us/not listen to us, spirit of truth/spirit of falsehood,

In Gods word there are no shades of gray just black and white.

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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?

Verse 26 Jesus is speaking what is a common Jewish idiom to show preference of one above another. If they like one thing above something else, they say I love this and hate that! It doesn't mean hate in a negative emotion sense, but means that they prefer one above another.

Verse27- picking up ones cross is to die to ones self and live for Christ. As Paul said we have been crucified with Christ yet we live!

Verse 33: That was a literal thing. It was to give up ones identity to take up being a disciple of Jesus!
 
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Verse 26 Jesus is speaking what is a common Jewish idiom to show preference of one above another. If they like one thing above something else, they say I love this and hate that! It doesn't mean hate in a negative emotion sense, but means that they prefer one above another.

Verse27- picking up ones cross is to die to ones self and live for Christ. As Paul said we have been crucified with Christ yet we live!

Verse 33: That was a literal thing. It was to give up ones identity to take up being a disciple of Jesus!

Kinda like a Jersey girl? :D

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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?
When you sleep, while sleeping......you stop caring about your family, your job, your bills..even your own life.....Your heart beats for you, your lungs expand and contracts on its own....etc..

The key is taking time to do this consciously........while awake...... yes...to forsake all for the knowledge of Christ.

"So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."
 
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He's talking about those who would follow Him. It's a comparative language pertaining to the cost of being His disciple. If necessary, you must be willing to walk away from your own family. He's laying out the harsh reality that following Him may require us to endure, even at the hands of our own family.
Yet who can say that they love God, yet walks away from family? Who can find that they deserved to be raised out of sin, when they walk away from their family because they may be in sin?
 
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Did those who crucified Jesus and punished Him with the crucifixion really hate him ?

Men hate God and love sin, thats bible 101.
No, The bible states that they did not know what they were doing.

The crucifixion was a sacrifice for us....not a punishment for Jesus.
 
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Kinda like a Jersey girl? :D

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Pretty much. Back in Jesus day, the figures of speech were more placid than how we use them today, but absolutely!
 
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No, The bible states that they did not know what they were doing.

The crucifixion was a sacrifice for us....not a punishment for Jesus.
John 15:23-25
He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. 25 But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’
 
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John 15:23-25
He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. 25 But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
 
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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?
If we put anything, even the good, before Christ Jesus then we are putting something over or even with the Love of Christ.

This is why, for example, a marriage and family must be Christ Centered.
 
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Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?

It depends on what is means. In practice it would mean you go to Jesus and follow him. You can’t do that without rejecting your family, or your former life, which then means you hate it. But, it is said that we should love even our enemies, so I think it is not opposite of Biblical love.

I think that is about the order of values. And even though it may feel bad for you family, there can be more important things to do than to be with family.
 
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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?
James Zebedee was executed by Herod Agrippa. According to the Christian historian Eusebius, Paul was beheaded and Peter was crucified upside down by Caesar Nero. According to the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus, Nero arrested and executed many Christians.

Those who followed Jesus risked arrest and execution.
 
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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?

Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


No not literally, spiritually. The family Christ is talking about, is your spiritual family. You don't just go along with your fellow christians, because you fear rejection, or anything else. You must follow Christ, and to follow Christ, you must have his doctrine. If you follow church doctrines, just to fit in, you are putting you spiritual family before Christ.
 
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What is being stated here and why?
He is saying "He who loves his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, even himself MORE THAN ME, is not worthy to be His disciple.

Note here, where Jacob is said to have "hated" his wife, because he loved Rachel more:

Genesis 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
 
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I know that in Biblical languages the word sometimes has a meaning of subordination rather than actual hatred. Meaning to put something on a lower pedestal or rung, but not to actually hate it. Right now, I'm having trouble actually finding that meaning in online Lexicons, but I've heard that from multiple sources and have even heard that is true of related Semitic languages like Arabic.

OK found my first example of this. Genesis 29:31. The passage literally says "Jacob hated Leah", and it usually translated in English "Leah was unloved".

Genesis 29:31
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25 Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them,

26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters— yes, even his own life— he cannot be My disciple.

27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple.

33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?

The synoptic gospels should be studied together. (Matthew, Mark, Luke)


Matthew 10:37
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me;

Matthew 10:38
and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
 
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25Large crowds were now traveling with Jesus, and He turned and said to them, 26“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple. 28Which of you, wishing to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost to see if he has the resources to complete it? 29 Otherwise, if he lays the foundation and is unable to finish the work, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, 30 saying, ‘This man could not finish what he started to build.’31 Or what king on his way to war with another king will not first sit down and consider whether he can engage with ten thousand men the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 And if he is unable, he will send a delegation while the other king is still far off, to ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

Do you have to really hate your family, even hate your own life to be a disciple?

What is being stated here and why?

Agreeing with all of you and your ideas about what it means when Yeshua/Jesus says to the large crowds which were traveling along side the disciples when he turns toward them.

Saying Listen all of you people traveling along side of me and my disciples here is truly what it means, you must leave your family behind, brothers, sisters, cats, dogs, everything must be given to be an disciple.

He tells the people along side of them (Yeshua, and His disciples).

"Who doesn't stop and think if he may decide to build a tower, and count up how much there is to spend on the resources to complete it, only to because of failure of the ability to be able to complete the tower to start with. "

Or what king on his way to war with another king will not first sit down and consider whether he can engage with ten thousand men and the other king against him is twenty thousand?

Would not the King, try to seek and send delegation towards the other king who has more to settle down and ask for terms of peace, before any attacks occur? In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple.

It seems to tell the reader that the thoughts that had entered the mind of those who were just spoken to about what it means to become a disciple of Yeshua/Jesus the messiah. What type of thoughts do you think you would believe you just heard by reading the words yourself?

You would have to give up everything you owned now today and follow and no longer travel along side, but to become one with him through prayer and reading scriptures. If you were there you only have Yeshua there in front of you and deciding to travel back home because God would have wanted them still to go back home to their mothers and love their brothers and sisters. Because they were important too, but it took giving up everything to just follow Yeshua.

Which was a job for the hand picked disciples themselves, and we see that they are together here in this verse along with the crowds. If you look at the closeness of Yeshua and the disciples and how they had been so close to him in that day, we are able to have a close relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, by the glory of God our Father, who desires all to come the understanding of truth, and comfort of caring for your family members and neighbors, which comes by the spirit of the Lord.

To pray, seek a relationship with the Lord, and God and try to live peacefully with all mothers, dads, brothers, sisters, cousins and all people the best we can by the spirit that is in all believers of God, who writes in the minds and hearts of others no matter who they are when anyone share the good news of Jesus to someone to help them along their journey for the glory of God.
 
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