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Baltimore is a lot like St. Louis.

St. Louis has a population of about 350,000--St. Louis County has a population of 2 million. I know this because I lived in a McMansion in St. Louis County in the 1990's, and the quality of life was unbelievably good.

Baltimore has a population of about 600,000. Its metro area is about 2.3 million--well educated and affluent. Once again, a city is impoverished due to the flight of the middle class to the suburbs.

(I didn't flee St. Louis for a St. Louis suburb. I came from another suburb in another state--my parents fled NYC in the 1950's.)

Of course their stats look awful! In St. Louis even the biggest businesses are in the suburbs.

What is needed (and as a progressive, I understand this) is to expand the city boundaries and merge it with the suburbs. They would have a more stable tax base, for starters. Cities like NY do charge commuter taxes (as does St. Louis) which helps somewhat.

Right now, of course, we have a president who is very anti-city. He continually criticizes them and creates havoc by sending in troops which in every case have exacerbated the problems. He does not understand the unique problems COVID creates in densely populated areas. It is much harder to open schools and businesses. Public transportation increases contagion.

Finally, I now live in a small city (under 100,000) surrounded by rural areas. This Congressional candidate should see the poverty in some of those rural areas. I have driven down country highways shuddering at the shanties some people call home, their refuge from the chicken plants which bred so many cases of COVID among workers.

I would bet there are way more guns per capita in rural areas than urban Baltimore, too...and I have heard nearby eastern Oklahoma has a county that is the nation's meth capitol.

If suburbs and cities merged their goals and finances there would be far more impetus to improve housing and amenities. Gentrification is good for the urban homesteaders, but the poor are displaced with nowhere to go.
 
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If she's so concerned about the terrible job that Democrats have done running cities, why is she running for Congress and not City Council or Mayor? The current Republican mayoral nominee is something of a clown who lied about her past work experience, so it's not like she wouldn't have had a shot at it. Heck, even if she faked being a Democrat, she'd have had a halfway decent shot in the recent Democratic mayoral primary since the three front-runners were 1.) the current mayor, who replaced the last mayor after she was indicted and who everybody thinks is kind of an idiot, 2.) a different previous mayor who also left office after being indicted and is now trying to stage a comeback, and 3.) the current city council president (and now Dem nominee) whose main appeal is being not #1 or #2.

Or maybe she's less concerned about fixing the city and more concerned about marketing to people in the county (which is most of what her district covers)

Also Baltimore:
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Baltimore is a lot like St. Louis.

St. Louis has a population of about 350,000--St. Louis County has a population of 2 million. I know this because I lived in a McMansion in St. Louis County in the 1990's, and the quality of life was unbelievably good.

Baltimore has a population of about 600,000. Its metro area is about 2.3 million--well educated and affluent. Once again, a city is impoverished due to the flight of the middle class to the suburbs.

(I didn't flee St. Louis for a St. Louis suburb. I came from another suburb in another state--my parents fled NYC in the 1950's.)

Of course their stats look awful! In St. Louis even the biggest businesses are in the suburbs.

What is needed (and as a progressive, I understand this) is to expand the city boundaries and merge it with the suburbs. They would have a more stable tax base, for starters. Cities like NY do charge commuter taxes (as does St. Louis) which helps somewhat.

Right now, of course, we have a president who is very anti-city. He continually criticizes them and creates havoc by sending in troops which in every case have exacerbated the problems. He does not understand the unique problems COVID creates in densely populated areas. It is much harder to open schools and businesses. Public transportation increases contagion.

Finally, I now live in a small city (under 100,000) surrounded by rural areas. This Congressional candidate should see the poverty in some of those rural areas. I have driven down country highways shuddering at the shanties some people call home, their refuge from the chicken plants which bred so many cases of COVID among workers.

I would bet there are way more guns per capita in rural areas than urban Baltimore, too...and I have heard nearby eastern Oklahoma has a county that is the nation's meth capitol.

If suburbs and cities merged their goals and finances there would be far more impetus to improve housing and amenities. Gentrification is good for the urban homesteaders, but the poor are displaced with nowhere to go.

Here we go with injecting Trump again.

Baltimore had those issues way before Trump came to the scene and will continue having them way after Trump is gone, as long as they stay under democratic rule.
 
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The thrust of my post was on expanding the boundaries of cities so that everyone would be financially invested in their success.

I also mentioned gentrification. It is good in that it brings wealth and economic development into cities. It creates problems because it displaces the poor who have nowhere to go.

For fun, I looked up my birthplace address in Brooklyn. My grandfather owned a building with four railroad apartments that he sold for $5K so my parents, grandparents and I could buy a house in the suburbs in the 1950's. Zillow says It's now worth over $2 million. While I know it must be completely renovated the price of gentrification astonished me.
If the building is still apartments, what kind of rent would be charged?
I remember how my mother told me my grandfather's tenants couldn't pay rent in the depression. Rent might be turnips or a chicken. My grandfather didn't evict them because they were his friends.
Higher salaries. Unionization. More equitable taxes would help. Income inequality will kill prosperity.
 
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Expanding the city's boundaries so that the suburbs have to pay for the cities? Wow. What's in it for the suburbs?

How about the cities and their denizens figuring out how to fix themselves? As in cleaning up those cities crime issues to make them more attractive to businesses? Gentrification has its evils, I agree, but few people mention how unsafe pre-gentrified areas typically were. High crime rates discourage businesses other than liquor stores and 7-11 convenience stores. Lack of business means lack of jobs. Which in turns means more poverty. It seems like a circular issue, but it has to start with providing a safe environment for business to flourish first. Business will not flourish in the midst of high crime and mayhem.

Once a safer environment is provided, restaurants, boutiques and all sort of businesses can flourish and attract customers from the suburbs who bring their money to the city. That is the way the suburbs can support the city. Not by arbitrarily redrawing city's boundaries to forcibly take money from the suburbs.
 
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Expanding the city's boundaries so that the suburbs have to pay for the cities? Wow. What's in it for the suburbs?

How about the cities and their denizens figuring out how to fix themselves? As in cleaning up those cities crime issues to make them more attractive to businesses? Gentrification has its evils, I agree, but few people mention how unsafe pre-gentrified areas typically were. High crime rates discourage businesses other than liquor stores and 7-11 convenience stores. Lack of business means lack of jobs. Which in turns means more poverty. It seems like a circular issue, but it has to start with providing a safe environment for business to flourish first. Business will not flourish in the midst of high crime and mayhem.

Once a safer environment is provided, restaurants, boutiques and all sort of businesses can flourish and attract customers from the suburbs who bring their money to the city. That is the way the suburbs can support the city. Not by arbitrarily redrawing city's boundaries to forcibly take money from the suburbs.

I'm not in favor of annexing the suburbs (Memphis tried it and is starting to reverse the changes because providing services to the burbs wound up costing more than they anticipated), but at the same time, there's something to be said for forcing suburbs to chip in to help a city that they're essentially mooching off of. In Baltimore and other urban areas, cities serve as hubs for transportation, culture, business, and a host of other services and amenities without which the surrounding suburbs mostly wouldn't exist - or at least wouldn't exist in their current form. But many of these areas (Baltimore included) have a long history of folks abandoning the urban core, taking their tax revenue to separate municipalities, while continue to avail themselves of the benefits of the city for which they're no longer paying.

Here in Baltimore, we have JHU & Peabody, Hopkins hospital, the casino, the Inner Harbor, Fort McHenry, the BMA and other museums, the symphony, the aquarium, Camden Yards, M&T Bank Stadium, Pimlico, Royal Farms Arena, concert venues and several nightlife enclaves - all within the city. The suburbs are mostly just strip malls, office parks, and housing developments, which is fine for going to work and going to sleep, but there's not much interesting to do out there outside of hiking. Nobody's building a world-class aquarium in White Marsh or a baseball stadium in Owings Mills. Folks still come into the city for all of those big city amenities, while themselves contributing to the disparity that they blame the city for not being able to correct.

Then, when the city tries to do something to improve itself, like securing several hundred million dollars in outside funding to build a new subway line, the Republican governor pulls the plug and lets it all goes to waste and diverts the state funding to building more highways in the suburbs.
 
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For those on the "Democrat rule needs to be attacked" bandwagon, I'd ask how you reconcile your position with the fact that the most prosperous cities are also run by Democrats. Or the fact that the counties that voted Hillary had almost double the aggregate GDP output of counties that voted for Trump:
Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America

Or the fact that the counties with the lowest incomes are nearly all in states run by conservatives:
List of lowest-income counties in the United States - Wikipedia

and 8 of the top 10 were won by Trump.
US elections 2016 results: track who won, county by county

Where is this exemplar of the success of conservative policies?
 
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Edited Upon Request Of CF Staff.

What the result of Democrat rule truly looks like:

Just another attempt to divert attention away from the 5.5 million testing positive, the 173,000 deaths attributed to COVID-19 and the millions of unemployed American families who have ended their 3rd week of trying to survive without federal government benefits - many of whom could be facing eviction at the end of the month!

Obviously this President and his supporters are oblivious to otherwise law-abiding Americans having reached that point of desperation whereby they are now being forced to steal just to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads!
 
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