My `homework` on Daniel`s 4 beasts.

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Syria, Jordan, and Iraq are part of the inheritance promised Abraham. Syria is fast becoming a desolation or no man's land of a drawn battle zone. Jordan is currently at peace with Israel. Iraq is neutral, but I doubt it will join with Iran.

It is Turkey, Iran, who will convince Russia to back them against Israel. Turkey wants more of the riches to it's south, not to mention they want control over all Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Jordan. They want their own access to the Persian Gulf and southern Oceans. Turkey could be the wild card kingdom. The product of Persian, Greek, Roman, and the failed Revived Roman/European empires.

I agree that Turkey wants to be a main player, however God`s word says that the Moslem leader comes from the area of ancient Assyria - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. This was the region of the Seleucid dynasty which is in the north and the Ptolomaic Dynasty was in the South. This was the legacy of Alexander the Great.
 
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Differently, Revelation 18, the fall of Babylon the great, the verses that follow about the fall of the great trading city is story, an allegory, about how quickly and permanently Babylon the great will fall.

"Babylon the great" itself is a code name, like the prince of Tyre, and the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28. Babylon the great is the kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels that have held sway over nations and the affairs of me.

Cite your proof that Babylon is a secret code. Many others have said the same and they have come up with different decoded responses than you! Why are you more correct than the many others who have rejected that the rebuilt Babylon will not become the commerce capital of the world of the XXXX.

I don't think the devil will appreciate you calling him a queen!

What I think you should do is look at the evidence instead of attacking me. I wrote that the bible does not "directly" state that XXXX will be a jew. The bible doesn't "directly" say that XXXX will anointed the King of Israel. But evidence shows that he will.

Well what is that evidence? Is it more you thinking a passage is code? Who gave you the decoding book that is so vastly different than others who claim the same authority to decode as you!

I am sorry that pressing in your opinions is something you think is a personal attack. But you "believe" the Bible indirectly says the antichrist will be a Jew! So show this "indirect" evidence that causes you to believe "directly" that teh antiochrist WILL (not might) be a Jew!

The Bible directly says the Antichrist will be the physical son of Satan and a woman of Romish descent, for he is a Roman ruler!

You left off verse 20 in your quote, the one about destroying his land and slaying his people..

The transition from Satan to XXXX, what particular verse is not the issue, it could be either verse 14 or 15. Verse 16 is definitely not about Satan, as it is referring to a man in that verse.


Isaiah 14:
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.


Satan does not fit those verses, and it would not make sense for the person to be a gentile king.

Well Grammar proves you wrong and grammar is critical if we want to understand anything! thwere is no transition to another person anywhere in 12-20!

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

From 9-20 it is all focused on one person--Lucifer!

13- Lucifer spoeaks
14 Lucifer speaks
15 God through Isaiah speaks to Lucifer!
16 the thee refers back to the nearest antecedent- Lucifer
17 describes what Lucifer has done
18 God declaring a fact
19&20 the thou refers back to the nearest antecedent spoken of-- Lucifer

That is how people write, that is how people understand writings, including you- so don't make the bible some disjointed grammatically corrupt book that needs some code to decode and understand!

I do not understand it all, I don't know how all this is going to work out -yet, but we all will. Don't try to think you have a secret phone line to God and and declare that: Yes I know what teh bible says and how it says it, BUT this is what it really means!

The greatest definition I have ever heard in how to understand the Bible is this:

"When the plain sense of Scripture makes perfect sense, seek no other sense" "Take each word of Scripture at its normal, usual face value unless context or other passages that correspond to the passage demand a metaphorical or allegorical understanding".

We do far less home to Scripture when we follow that simple rule of literal historical, grammatical interpretation of Scripture than any other way of seeking to "interpret" Scripture.
 
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Cite your proof that Babylon is a secret code. Many others have said the same and they have come up with different decoded responses than you! Why are you more correct than the many others who have rejected that the rebuilt Babylon will not become the commerce capital of the world of the XXXX.
It would be helpful if you quoted me correctly. It is a code name because it is not actually Babylon the city in middle east. (I did not say secret code).

Babylon the great is responsible for all them slain upon the earth. Goes back to the time of Abel.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I don't think the devil will appreciate you calling him a queen!
Satan is not himself Babylon the great, but it is his and his third of the angels' kingdom.

I am sorry that pressing in your opinions is something you think is a personal attack. But you "believe" the Bible indirectly says the antichrist will be a Jew! So show this "indirect" evidence that causes you to believe "directly" that teh antiochrist WILL (not might) be a Jew!
"Christ, the King of Israel" Mark15:32.

Deuteronomy 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

The Antichrist (instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord) must be Jew not someone who is a gentile - to be embraced by the Jews thinking his is their messiah. The Antichrist will be a brother of the Jews. But he coming in his own name.

The Antichrist destroys his land and his people. Isaiah 14:20. XXXX must be a Jew.

From 9-20 it is all focused on one person--Lucifer!

13- Lucifer spoeaks
14 Lucifer speaks
15 God through Isaiah speaks to Lucifer!
16 the thee refers back to the nearest antecedent- Lucifer
17 describes what Lucifer has done
18 God declaring a fact
19&20 the thou refers back to the nearest antecedent spoken of-- Lucifer

That is how people write, that is how people understand writings, including you- so don't make the bible some disjointed grammatically corrupt book that needs some code to decode and understand!
I don't think it is a matter of English rules.
 
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It would be helpful if you quoted me correctly. It is a code name because it is not actually Babylon the city in middle east. (I did not say secret code).

Babylon the great is responsible for all them slain upon the earth. Goes back to the time of Abel.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Who says it is a code?????? Well as most of teh Christian world does not know what you know- it is safe to call it a secret code name. YOu are the frist I ahve met in over 45 years that called Babylon Satan.

I don't think it is a matter of English rules.

Same in Hebrew- it is universal!

Satan is not himself Babylon the great, but it is his and his third of the angels' kingdom.

Well as the Bible calls him the god of this world, and Satan offered jesus all the kingdom s of this world, you are now saying that the word gets destroyed!


The Antichrist (instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel coming in the name of the Lord) must be Jew not someone who is a gentile - to be embraced by the Jews thinking his is their messiah. The Antichrist will be a brother of the Jews. But he coming in his own name

So you r line of reasoning is that because jesus is a Jew, the son of Satan must have a Jewish mother as well????????

Deuteronomy 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

"Christ, the King of Israel" Mark15:32.

You have a tautology! You start with the premise that teh Antichrist MUST be a Jew and post DEut. 17 to defend it! YOu need to prve that teh Antichrist will ever be a King of Israel!

Is. 14:20 says Lucifer destroys his land and people! Nowhere does that mean Israel, that is you saying it does because you and not the Bible says the Antichrist must be King of Israel.
 
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YOu are the frist I ahve met in over 45 years that called Babylon Satan.
I am not calling Babylon - Satan. Repeat that back to me, so I know that your are reading what I write.
 
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I am not calling Babylon - Satan. Repeat that back to me, so I know that your are reading what I write.

YOu said Babylon is code for Satans kingdom!

Here is what the bible says is Satan kingdom:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Matthew 4:7-9
King James Version

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Luke 4:4-6
King James Version

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Read full chapter


Revelation 18
King James Version

18 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.



The kingdom of Satan is the Word until He is defeated! How can people come out of the world? How can God destroy the world before destroying the world?

Is this also another code we need you to translate for us? Why is your decoding better than the many others who have also said this is code and have come up with different answers for what the Scriptures say here than yours???????
 
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YOu said Babylon is code for Satans kingdom!
Satan's kingdom. Not Satan himself. Babylon the Great is not Satan.
The kingdom of Satan is the Word until He is defeated! How can people come out of the world? How can God destroy the world before destroying the world?
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Satan and his third of the angel's that rebelled with him - their "mystical" kingdom, meaning it does not have geographical borders because it not an earthly country, like the United States, for example. Babylon the Great has been around ever since the beginning of the world, and the first person Abel killed, and has had influence over the the nations and the affairs of human.

God is going destroy that mystical kingdom of Satan and His angels. I don't understand why you have a problem with that.
 
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The kingdom of Satan is the Word until He is defeated! How can people come out of the world? How can God destroy the world before destroying the world?

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Satan's kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great overshadows the world. The nations, the kingdoms of this world, are to be taken out from under the control of Satan's mystical kingdom of Babylon the Great. God will destroy Satan's mystical kingdom - and bring the kingdoms of this world under the Kingship of Jesus and the Kingdom of God.

In Revelation 12:7-9, there will be a war in the second heaven, which Satan and his third of the angels, the wicked ones, their kingdom is there, overshadowing the earth, as the high place.

Kicking Satan and his angels down to earth will be the first step in dismantling mystery Babylon the Great.

You had referenced Jesus being tempted by Satan's offer to give Jesus all the kingdoms of this world if Jesus would worship him (Satan).

I am saying to you that it is my belief that Satan offered the same deal to the serpent beast in the garden who accepted and in return was Satan's tool to get Adam and Eve to sin. And that serpent beast is in the bottomless pit, as a disembodied spirit, in Revelation 17:8a.

Likewise, it is my belief that Satan will offer the same deal to the end times person XXXX, and XXXX will accept the deal. And is the person in Revelation 17:8b.




I don't know why you are having a problem with any of this...

Satan's and his third of the angels, the evil ones, mystical kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great will be dismantled and destroyed - ended at Jesus's Return.

Satan - will be cast into the bottomless pit - then later at the end of the 1000 years into the lake of fire.

the beast in the bottomless pit - the original garden of eden beast, now a disembodied spirit - will be cast into the lake of fire as he will have possessed the end times person XXXX, when the time comes for the serpent tool of Satan to come out of the bottomless pit in the middle part of the seven years.

the beast, XXXX
- will be cast into the lake of fire.

the false prophet - will be cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Satan's kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great overshadows the world. The nations, the kingdoms of this world, are to be taken out from under the control of Satan's mystical kingdom of Babylon the Great. God will destroy Satan's mystical kingdom - and bring the kingdoms of this world under the Kingship of Jesus and the Kingdom of God.

Sorry he is called the god of this world. wickedness i high places is a very well known biblical term and it don't mean up in space!

So now his kingdom is another code for a mystical and not physical kingdom. What did the devil offer Jesus then in the wilderness- mystical cities?

In Revelation 12:7-9, there will be a war in the second heaven, which Satan and his third of the angels, the wicked ones, their kingdom is there, overshadowing the earth, as the high place.

Kicking Satan and his angels down to earth will be the first step in dismantling mystery Babylon the Great

So you think that Satan gets kicked out of outer space? You know he still has access to teh third heaven which is the throne of God!

I am saying to you that it is my belief that Satan offered the same deal to the serpent beast in the garden who accepted and in return was Satan's tool to get Adam and Eve to sin. And that serpent beast is in the bottomless pit, as a disembodied spirit, in Revelation 17:8a.

Likewise, it is my belief that Satan will offer the same deal to the end times person XXXX, and XXXX will accept the deal. And is the person in Revelation 17:8b.

That serpent beast was Satan in a serpent of some sort! The Bible clearly says so! It is not XXXX or the antichrist which is his physical son!

I am saying to you that it is my belief that Satan offered the same deal to the serpent beast in the garden who accepted and in return was Satan's tool to get Adam and Eve to sin. And that serpent beast is in the bottomless pit, as a disembodied spirit, in Revelation 17:8a.

so who gave you this extra-biblical revelation and under what authority do you have to add it to the word of God?

Likewise, it is my belief that Satan will offer the same deal to the end times person XXXX, and XXXX will accept the deal. And is the person in Revelation 17:8b.

And that is why Satans son becomes world ruler. YOu have way too many beasts running around.

As Jesus teh son fo the REal Father rejected Satans offer of world rule, Teh Antichrist, XXXX will accept his Fathers offer he gave to jesus and become world ruler!

I don't know why you are having a problem with any of this...

Satan's and his third of the angels, the evil ones, mystical kingdom of mystery Babylon the Great will be dismantled and destroyed - ended at Jesus's Return.

Satan - will be cast into the bottomless pit - then later at the end of the 1000 years into the lake of fire.

the beast in the bottomless pit - the original garden of eden beast, now a disembodied spirit - will be cast into the lake of fire as he will have possessed the end times person XXXX, when the time comes for the serpent tool of Satan to come out of the bottomless pit in the middle part of the seven years.

the beast, XXXX
- will be cast into the lake of fire.

the false prophet - will be cast into the lake of fire.

I have no problems with any of these destinations for evil ones. It is all your codes and mystical stuff and having a whole bunch of beasts running around and your interpretation of the codes you say are there (why are your codes better than all the others who claim they got the code as well and have different reinterpretations than your reinterpretation)
 
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So you think that Satan gets kicked out of outer space? You know he still has access to teh third heaven which is the throne of God!
Satan and his third of the angels do not have access to the third heaven unless summoned by God. Otherwise, the third heaven would be a violent place, just like the earth is. Ezekiel 28:16. Satan has not been a citizen in the third heaven ever since he first sinned.

Even when Satan is summoned there, he is not an honored guest, because the holy angels in heaven are opposed to him.

There is angelic activity in the cosmos, the second heaven, angels traveling back and forth from earth to third heaven, such as in Daniel 10.

So I don't know why you would think it to be strange that Satan and his third of the angels occupy the cosmos. After all in Revelation 12:12 it says heavens plural rejoice,

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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Okay, you have been wanting to say why you think that XXXX will be Satan's literal physical son, not through procreation of a normal human man and woman relation. I think you are wrong. What is your proof?
 
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Satan and his third of the angels do not have access to the third heaven unless summoned by God. Otherwise, the third heaven would be a violent place, just like the earth is. Ezekiel 28:16. Satan has not been a citizen in the third heaven ever since he first sinned.

REad Job1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

He wasn't summoned.

Now just show me a verse that has rescinded the ability of Satan to do this prior to REv. 12:10.

Even when Satan is summoned there, he is not an honored guest, because the holy angels in heaven are opposed to him.

I never said he was.

There is angelic activity in the cosmos, the second heaven, angels traveling back and forth from earth to third heaven, such as in Daniel 10.

Yep, they are travelling through the 2nd heaven.


one word in one verse and you make an absolute declatory statement based on it! It could be the 3rd and 1str heavens for all you know. Making declarations based on speculation is a fools errand.
 
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Okay, you have been wanting to say why you think that XXXX will be Satan's literal physical son, not through procreation of a normal human man and woman relation. I think you are wrong. What is your proof?

It is not me who thinks this, but the word of God which declares it.

Genesis 3:14-15
King James Version

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Now we know that teh serpent is Satan as is declared throughout SCripture.

We also know the seed of the woman is Jesus, the god/man and son of God the Father.

Now what about the seed of the serpent?

In Hebrew the number of the noun must match the verb. The verbs in this passage are both singular so that makes both seeds singular. so the seed of the woman is Jesus the offspring of a supernatural being and a human woman, so the seed of the serpent is also an offspring of a supernatural being and human woman! It just keeps the another of a different kind of Christ antichrist motif in SCripture in perfect harmony.

So unless you can show in Scripture another seed of the serpent the Antichrist is the best fit!

Also who gives the seed, the man or the woman? It is the man, yet Jesus is called the seed of the woman? Just shows the supernaturalness of the seeds.
 
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It is not me who thinks this, but the word of God which declares it.

Genesis 3:14-15
King James Version

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Now we know that teh serpent is Satan as is declared throughout SCripture.

We also know the seed of the woman is Jesus, the god/man and son of God the Father.

Now what about the seed of the serpent?

In Hebrew the number of the noun must match the verb. The verbs in this passage are both singular so that makes both seeds singular. so the seed of the woman is Jesus the offspring of a supernatural being and a human woman, so the seed of the serpent is also an offspring of a supernatural being and human woman! It just keeps the another of a different kind of Christ antichrist motif in SCripture in perfect harmony.

So unless you can show in Scripture another seed of the serpent the Antichrist is the best fit!

Also who gives the seed, the man or the woman? It is the man, yet Jesus is called the seed of the woman? Just shows the supernaturalness of the seeds.
Angels cannot reproduce. They are not biological beings. The sons of God cannot reproduce, but are like the angels. Only Adam's cursed biological seed can be the one part. The seed of Satan is the spirit of antichrist, yes, but God has never allowed Satan to have biological offspring via a fallen human. Revelation 13 is the only chapter on the subject. Satan creates an image of the false prophet, a human form image. Satan is allowed to breath (a spirit breath) of life into only one image. That image is Satan's Adam, Satan's Messiah. It is not a biological offspring. It is an image in human form with advanced technology. Not that humans are currently working on an AI, intelligence, themselves. This is a step where a smaller size "computer", Satan is allowed to use as a "human" brain, that Satan breathes life into. Satan can only mimic God with technology. Satan is not allowed to use God's exact creation, like God does.
 
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Angels cannot reproduce. They are not biological beings. The sons of God cannot reproduce, but are like the angels. Only Adam's cursed biological seed can be the one part. The seed of Satan is the spirit of antichrist, yes, but God has never allowed Satan to have biological offspring via a fallen human. Revelation 13 is the only chapter on the subject. Satan creates an image of the false prophet, a human form image. Satan is allowed to breath (a spirit breath) of life into only one image. That image is Satan's Adam, Satan's Messiah. It is not a biological offspring. It is an image in human form with advanced technology. Not that humans are currently working on an AI, intelligence, themselves. This is a step where a smaller size "computer", Satan is allowed to use as a "human" brain, that Satan breathes life into. Satan can only mimic God with technology. Satan is not allowed to use God's exact creation, like God does.

Well that is not what the bible says! You may say it but the bible clearly shows that angels can reproduce.

We have Genesis 3 and then we have this:

Genesis 6
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6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


these are the angels locked in tartarus as found in Jude for leaving their first estate:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These are not demons (which are fallen cheubs, seraphs and angels) which are part of Satans hosts. these are not the creatures that are let loose from the bottomless pit in REv. these are the angles who came down from heaven, had sex with human woman, and produced a hybrid race which god wiped out at the flood.
 
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REad Job1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

He wasn't summoned.

Now just show me a verse that has rescinded the ability of Satan to do this prior to REv. 12:10.
verse 6 indicates that they were summoned. "came to present themselves before the Lord"

You believe that when you leave this world, you will be going to heaven, right? Do you think you will be entering a situation whereby Satan and his third of the angels will be raising hell there in the third heaven where the throne of God is?

Where was Satan in Revelation 4-6, as the book was opened? He is not there. Satan is not in the third heaven any longer, ever since he sinned.
 
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We come before God into His presence, but we are still on earth. Satan was summoned by God however he cannot go beyond the Universal realm, the Principalities and Powers realm.

Remember God is everywhere by His Spirit and people or angels do not have to go to a `room` or `throne` but are `stopped in their tracks` as it were and have to account to God.
 
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Well that is not what the bible says! You may say it but the bible clearly shows that angels can reproduce.

We have Genesis 3 and then we have this:

Genesis 6
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6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


these are the angels locked in tartarus as found in Jude for leaving their first estate:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These are not demons (which are fallen cheubs, seraphs and angels) which are part of Satans hosts. these are not the creatures that are let loose from the bottomless pit in REv. these are the angles who came down from heaven, had sex with human woman, and produced a hybrid race which god wiped out at the flood.
1 John 3:1-3

1 Behold, what love the Father hath given to us, that we should be called the sons of God: For this cause this world knoweth you not, because it knoweth not him.
2 Dearly beloved, now are we the sons of God, but yet it is not made manifest what we shall be: and we know that when he shall be made manifest: we shall be like him: for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purgeth himself, even as he is pure.
 
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these are the angels locked in tartarus as found in Jude for leaving their first estate:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These are not demons (which are fallen cheubs, seraphs and angels) which are part of Satans hosts. these are not the creatures that are let loose from the bottomless pit in REv. these are the angles who came down from heaven, had sex with human woman, and produced a hybrid race which god wiped out at the flood.

Private interpretation. Matthew 22:29-32

29 Yeshua answered them, “The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanakh and of the power of God.
30 For in the Resurrection, neither men nor women will marry; rather, they will be like angels in heaven.
31 And as for whether the dead are resurrected, haven’t you read what God said to you,
32 ‘I am the God of Avraham, the God of Yitz’chak and the God of Ya‘akov’? He is God not of the dead but of the living!”

How can the angels have a relationship with humans if they cannot with themselves? And in heaven that relationship no longer exist according to Jesus. This is conspiracy level interpretation. The harlot church has squashed the truth and no one is bold enough to state the obvious. Adam was a son of God. Adam's fallen offspring were physically different because of a sin nature. Other sons of God still had biological functions. Genesis 1:27-28

27 So G-d created humankind in His own tzelem, in the tzelem Elohim (image of G-d) created He him; zachar (male) and nekevah (female) created He them.

28 And G-d blessed them, and G-d said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The sons of God were both male and female and plural (many). Adam was one, until he disobeyed God. The Atonement of the Lamb is the restoration back to being a son of God. 1 John 3:1-3.

The first estate of the angels are stars. Genesis 1:16
16 And Elohim made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; He made the kokhavim (stars) also.

Then Job 38:7
7 when the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Two created beings: morning stars and sons of God. That is all. Angels and humans.

They do not have babies with each other. In heaven, no one has babies any more.
 
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verse 6 indicates that they were summoned. "came to present themselves before the Lord"

You believe that when you leave this world, you will be going to heaven, right? Do you think you will be entering a situation whereby Satan and his third of the angels will be raising hell there in the third heaven where the throne of God is?

Where was Satan in Revelation 4-6, as the book was opened? He is not there. Satan is not in the third heaven any longer, ever since he sinned.
Not so fast.

When has Satan sinned, literally?

Job indicates the sons of God, pre-Flood humans held council with God post Flood. Satan as well. Do you place Job pre-Flood?

Traditionally in the book of Enoch they were called watchers. I assume those in the image of God created on the first day did not sin, nor turned against God. However, they had offspring and filled the earth. They had to leave when their offspring became evil. They could not enjoy the effects of sin. If Job is placed post Flood, then the sons of God held council possibly all the way until the 1st advent. Who knows? The sons of God are not angels. The OT refers to angels as stars or messengers. The pagan babylon went so far as to use the stars as predictions and fortune telling. The wrong type of messages. But claiming that angels were bound and later had access to humans is contradictory.

Did Satan and a third of the angels have anything to do with the Flood, read pagan literature. The Bible states the occult is off limits to those who claim to be spiritual sons of God. But we do wrestle against spiritual wickedness. It seems to me that if you accept traditional history, Satan was given control over the nations after the Flood, not prior to the Flood. Any sons of God were now in heaven, and no longer on the earth post Flood. Satan has access to all 3 locations until the 7th Trumpet. Heaven, sheol, and earth. Instead of the sons of God council, after the Cross, Jesus Christ the Lamb has been our advocate. He rebukes Satan every time he shows up in the presence of the throne. The reason Satan is finally kicked out is Adam's punishment is completed. The church is completed. The Lamb is on earth for the final harvest. Satan no longer has business in heaven. As pointed out in Revelation 12, he is mad and demands 3.5 years with the remainder of Adam's descendants.
 
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