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Well that's the question. That's for her and her husband to decide for themselves. If they want that - isn't it their freedom to choose it? (Even if you don't understand it or couldn't do it).
I understand that concept makes sense from a non-Christian perspective. In this day in age--from a New Covenant position, it's not all about my freedom to choose but what's right in God's sight. Sometimes what we want can actually be disastrous.
 
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Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Question: "Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible?"

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The question of polygamy is an interesting one in that most people today view polygamy as immoral while the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns it. The first instance of polygamy/bigamy in the Bible was that of Lamech in Genesis 4:19: “Lamech married two women.” Several prominent men in the Old Testament were polygamists. Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others all had multiple wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (essentially wives of a lower status), according to 1 Kings 11:3. What are we to do with these instances of polygamy in the Old Testament? There are three questions that need to be answered: 1) Why did God allow polygamy in the Old Testament? 2) How does God view polygamy today? 3) Why did it change?

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1) Why did God allow polygamy in the Old Testament? The Bible does not specifically say why God allowed polygamy. As we speculate about God’s silence, there is at least one key factor to consider. Due to patriarchal societies, it was nearly impossible for an unmarried woman to provide for herself. Women were often uneducated and untrained. Women relied on their fathers, brothers, and husbands for provision and protection. Unmarried women were often subjected to prostitution and slavery.

So, it seems that God may have allowed polygamy to protect and provide for the women who could not find a husband otherwise. A man would take multiple wives and serve as the provider and protector of all of them. While definitely not ideal, living in a polygamist household was far better than the alternatives: prostitution, slavery, or starvation. In addition to the protection/provision factor, polygamy enabled a much faster expansion of humanity, fulfilling God’s command to “be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth” (Genesis 9:7). Men are capable of impregnating multiple women in the same time period, causing humanity to grow much faster than if each man was only producing one child each year.

2) How does God view polygamy today? Even while allowing polygamy, the Bible presents monogamy as the plan that conforms most closely to God’s ideal for marriage. The Bible says that God’s original intention was for one man to be married to only one woman: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [not wives], and they will become one flesh [not fleshes]” (Genesis 2:24). While Genesis 2:24 is describing what marriage is, rather than how many people are involved, the consistent use of the singular should be noted. In Deuteronomy 17:14-20, God says that the kings were not supposed to multiply wives (or horses or gold). While this cannot be interpreted as a command that the kings must be monogamous, it can be understood as declaring that having multiple wives causes problems. This can be clearly seen in the life of Solomon (1 Kings 11:3-4).

In the New Testament, 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 and Titus 1:6 give “the husband of one wife” in a list of qualifications for spiritual leadership. There is some debate as to what specifically this qualification means. The phrase could literally be translated “a one-woman man.” Whether or not this phrase is referring exclusively to polygamy, in no sense can a polygamist be considered a “one-woman man.” While these qualifications are specifically for positions of spiritual leadership, they should apply equally to all Christians. Should not all Christians be “above reproach...temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money” (1 Timothy 3:2-4)? If we are called to be holy (1 Peter 1:16), and if these standards are holy for elders and deacons, then they are holy for all.

Ephesians 5:22-33 speaks of the relationship between husbands and wives. When referring to a husband (singular), it always also refers to a wife (singular). “For the husband is the head of the wife [singular] … He who loves his wife [singular] loves himself. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife [singular], and the two will become one flesh....Each one of you also must love his wife [singular] as he loves himself, and the wife [singular] must respect her husband [singular].” While a somewhat parallel passage, Colossians 3:18-19, refers to husbands and wives in the plural, it is clear that Paul is addressing all the husbands and wives among the Colossian believers, not stating that a husband might have multiple wives. In contrast, Ephesians 5:22-33 is specifically describing the marital relationship. If polygamy were allowable, the entire illustration of Christ’s relationship with His body (the church) and the husband-wife relationship falls apart.

3) Why did it change? It is not so much God’s disallowing something He previously allowed as it is God’s restoring marriage to His original plan. Even going back to Adam and Eve, polygamy was not God’s original intent. God seems to have allowed polygamy to solve a problem, but it is not the ideal. In most modern societies, there is absolutely no need for polygamy. In most cultures today, women are able to provide for and protect themselves—removing the only “positive” aspect of polygamy. Further, most modern nations outlaw polygamy. According to Romans 13:1-7, we are to obey the laws the government establishes. The only instance in which disobeying the law is permitted by Scripture is if the law contradicts God’s commands (Acts 5:29). Since God only allows for polygamy, and does not command it, a law prohibiting polygamy should be upheld.

Are there some instances in which the allowance for polygamy would still apply today? Perhaps, but it is unfathomable that there would be no other possible solution. Due to the “one flesh” aspect of marriage, the need for oneness and harmony in marriage, and the lack of any real need for polygamy, it is our firm belief that polygamy does not honor God and is not His design for marriage.

Similar to other sexual sins, its worse for women than it is for men, according to the Bible.
 
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I understand that concept makes sense from a non-Christian perspective.
??? Does it?? I'm lost here.
In this day in age, it's not all about my freedom to choose but what's right in God's sight.
Agreed. Thats the goal - what does God want. I don't know in this case. Neither do you it seems - you were unable to make a biblical argument that would suffice?
 
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@Sammy-San > I see it is possible that someone like King David could have more than one wife, so each could give full attention to bringing up a child to be fit to help David to rule. Also, if only his women bore him children, he could keep other parents from having a hand in how his children grew up for governing. It could be a way of avoiding being unequally yoked with other parents who could interfere and compete for attention of the children.
 
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To be honest, I believe I was talking to a Roman Catholic.

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A few other thoughts while I'm at. Property rights are probably the biggest reason why society does not allow this as far as the law is concerned. Things are already messy enough as it is with divorce and inheritance claims.
 
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??? Does it?? I'm lost here.

Agreed. Thats the goal - what does God want. I don't know in this case. Neither do you it seems - you were unable to make a biblical argument that would suffice?
I was talking about the notion to "do what you feel is right" if it won't hurt anyone. I hear this sort of talk in non Christian circles.

No, I actually do believe God set up an ideal for us that is shown in His creation of Adam and Eve.
 
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... I actually do believe God set up an ideal for us that is shown in His creation of Adam and Eve.
Your original post was to add more substance to your belief. I'm not sure there is any. You believe it (and you're not hurting anyone haha) - isn't that enough?
 
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Your original post was to add more substance to your belief. I'm not sure there is any. You believe it (and you're not hurting anyone haha) - isn't that enough?
What? To be honest, I'm looking to get answers/perspectives from Christians on this board. It doesn't seem like you're one.
 
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Oh, I hope your name will be changed one day. I'm very sorry you're confused by Christianity.
Thanks - I don't mind being confused by christianty though.

Your original post asked "...How would you tackle this in a biblical way?..."
1) I would not assume I am right. Understand I am only speaking my own opinion - I could be wrong. Not all christians agree about all things (even things which seem obvious to me).
2) I would see if He had a point.
3) I would check my motives. Am I being arrogant, aggressive, prideful or some other evil. (Assuming I'm outwardly disagreeing with him).
4) I might calmly ask what he thought and what his reasoning is - then listen.
5) I might not tackle the subject at all. Why would I?? What's it to me if he thinks the bible allows polygamy?
 
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Because man was created first female polygamy is adultery

In Genesis 2 the ha'adam (earth creature) is created from the ha'adama (earth or soil). This new creature is adrongynous --- neither male nor female. Translators generally use the proper name Adam even though ha'adam simply names what it is --- an earth creature. At a later point God casts the ha'adam into a deep sleep and removes the female portion and what remains is male. The two genders came being simultaneously and the ha'adam was no more.
 
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In Genesis 2 the ha'adam (earth creature) is created from the ha'adama (earth or soil). This new creature is adrongynous --- neither male nor female. Translators generally use the proper name Adam even though ha'adam simply names what it is --- an earth creature. At a later point God casts the ha'adam into a deep sleep and removes the female portion and what remains is male. The two genders came being simultaneously and the ha'adam was no more.
Where did you read that?
 
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In Genesis 2 the ha'adam (earth creature) is created from the ha'adama (earth or soil). This new creature is adrongynous --- neither male nor female. Translators generally use the proper name Adam even though ha'adam simply names what it is --- an earth creature. At a later point God casts the ha'adam into a deep sleep and removes the female portion and what remains is male. The two genders came being simultaneously and the ha'adam was no more.
Do you think Adam was a red man?
 
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In Genesis 2 the ha'adam (earth creature) is created from the ha'adama (earth or soil). This new creature is adrongynous --- neither male nor female. Translators generally use the proper name Adam even though ha'adam simply names what it is --- an earth creature. At a later point God casts the ha'adam into a deep sleep and removes the female portion and what remains is male. The two genders came being simultaneously and the ha'adam was no more.
So it had neither steel or flower symmetry?
So Adam looked different at first? I think eve was created for reproduction reasons and wasn't directly created in the image of God and Adam was created first to show that the image of God is masculine.
Angels and God are masculine because they are more like men than women in terms of personality.
What do you mean by female portion of Adam? Something that's like a flower in terms of symmetry?
 
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There is an old testament prophecy about 6 women to every man, all the wives just wanting his name and not actually his financial support...
well, what the man is committing to is the maternal environment the woman provides. committing to more than one is an evil but not an evil under all circumstances at all times.

Something for the six wives who love the gift more than the giver.

There is an OT prophet who said something like; A harlot is worse than a prostitute. a prostitute just wants your money, a harlot wants your life. The harlot will breed up not satisfied if there is a higher perch.
 
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Does God accept "Less of an evil"? I figured He was pretty absolute about evil.
Sometimes our choices are limited. In some circumstances a lesser evil is discerned a good. Some things are evil under all circumstances at all times. Polygamy isn't one of those things. It's possible (but almost impossible) that a a situation unfolds that creates a circumstance that polygamous marriage may help resolve. In that case polygamy is a good.
 
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well, what the man is committing to is the maternal environment the woman provides. committing to more than one is an evil but not an evil under all circumstances at all times.

Something for the six wives who love the gift more than the giver.
The prophecy surrounds the women begging the man for marriage...not the man persuing the wives. In thinking it was in either Zachariah or Ezekiel...
 
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