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God's word does say to be satisfied with your "wife" > Proverbs 5:18-19 >

"Let your fountain be blessed,
.And rejoice with the wife of your youth.
.As a loving deer and a graceful doe,
.Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
.And always be enraptured with her love."

. . . . . . . . . . . . (Proverbs 5:18-19)

Also, we have Ecclesiastes 9:9 and Malachi 2:14-15.

Jacob, Leah and Rachel
Look what happened when Jacob loved Rachel, but did not love his wife Leah > Genesis 29:31 > God did not excuse him from loving Leah merely because of his preferences!!
 
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God's word does say to be satisfied with your "wife" > Proverbs 5:18-19 >

"Let your fountain be blessed,
.And rejoice with the wife of your youth.
.As a loving deer and a graceful doe,
.Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
.And always be enraptured with her love."

. . . . . . . . . . . . (Proverbs 5:18-19)

Also, we have Ecclesiastes 9:9 and Malachi 2:14-15.

Look what happened when Jacob loved Rachel, but did not love his wife Leah > Genesis 29:31 > God did not excuse him from loving Leah merely because of his preferences!!

Proverbs and Ecclesiastes were both written by Solomon...who had hundreds of wives and concubines.
So I'm guessing that he was speaking with experience? (Do as I say and not as I do)
 
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Polygamy - It's a foreign concept to me. At first glance, it feels immoral. It brings up similar alarm in me when I think of someone eating bugs. Almost revulsion / repulsion / disgust.

Revulsion / repulsion / disgust - those feelings are necessary in nature. That doesn't mean they are right. They are a caution.

Do people confuse morality with alarm / revulsion / repulsion / disgust?
Do they assume that something alarming and foreign to them is also immoral?
 
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Proverbs and Ecclesiastes were both written by Solomon...who had hundreds of wives and concubines.
So I'm guessing that he was speaking with experience? (Do as I say and not as I do)
Possibly, he first found out the hard way, but then repented and as a mature senior later he wrote these scriptures.
 
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Possibly, he first found out the hard way, but then repented and as a mature senior later he wrote these scriptures.
Are those verses commands to only have one wive? Or are they poetically saying something else?
 
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I was having a discussion with someone who holds to Polygamy as being unproblematic. He asked me why I thought it was. I basically said it would hurt the wife by viewing her as not enough for him and would create a caste system. This was his response. How would you tackle this in a biblical way?

"Accordingto that reasoning, having more than one child is basically saying that the firstborn wasn't enough. Since scripture is ripe with sibling rivalry (Cain and Abel, Ismael and Isaac, Jacob and Esau), one can construct a religion trying to correct that tendency, by espousing a one child policy; then its adherents can come and ask questions similar to yours, about why, throughout scripture, God seems OK with having more than one offspring"


I think this sort of thing shows the limitations of Sola Scrriptura.
If you look at the Bible, there are a number of verses suggesting monogamy as an ideal. But yes, a number of others allowing for polygamy. Today we only have outlawed it etc. because of the decisions of church bishops etc. that came about who realize those verses that apply to ministers of the Gospel, also would be beneficial to Christians in general. So when society went Christian etc. they basically applied them to Christians in general, because of the "Biblical ideal" of monogamy, using their power of "Binding and Loosening".
BINDING AND LOOSING - JewishEncyclopedia.com



But if you want to subscribe to the various tenants of Sola Scriptura in its various interpretations. Then you got to understand that some people are going to "do things by the Book, or what the Book allows" (having a polygamous marriage for men who are not clergy). They will likewise insist on their own ability to read/ interpret the text etc. just as Reformers and other movements like the Anabaptists have done. And if you argue against this, they will likewise challenge the basis of your authority....



Anyway many Protestants are OK with tradition and church leadership being a supplementary, or subordinate authority. But there are situations that show that is not really enough ; because it is easily thrown out based on the ability to throw that stuff out based on a person believing themselves to be an under dog, and reading the Bible, and having a Revelations/Conviction that X authority is wrong etc. And yes in this case, a person could make that argument that church leaders are wrong for forbidding polygamous marriage to their male members who have no intention/perceived call of going into ministry.
 
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Are those verses commands to only have one wive? Or are they poetically saying something else?

The bible mentions to kings not to multiply wives but that doesnt neccesarily mean polygamy is a sin its just not ideal.
Question: "If a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do?"

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Since polygamy is frowned upon in most societies, this is not a question too many people think about. But there are still numerous places in the world where polygamy is accepted. Many Muslim countries allow polygamy. For a man to have multiple wives is somewhat common in several African nations. Even in the United States, there are some communities that endorse polygamy. However, virtually all Bible scholars agree that polygamy is not for Christians (see Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible?). What, then, should a polygamist do if he places his faith in Jesus Christ and becomes a Christian?

Most people immediately give an answer like “he should divorce all of his wives but one.” While that seems to be an ethical solution, the situation is usually not quite that simple. For example, which wife does he keep? His first wife? His last wife? His favorite wife? The wife that has borne him the most children? And what about the wives he divorces? How do they provide for themselves? In most cultures that allow polygamy, a previously married woman has very little opportunity to provide for herself and even fewer possibilities of finding a new husband. And what happens to the children of these wives? The situation is often very complicated. There is rarely a simple solution.

We do not believe polygamy is something God approves of in this era. However, the Bible nowhere explicitly gives a “thou shalt not marry multiple wives” command. In the New Testament, a polygamist is ineligible for church leadership (1 Timothy 3:2, 12; Titus 1:6), but polygamy itself is not forbidden. Polygamy was not God’s original intent (Genesis 2:24; Ephesians 5:22-33), but it was also something He allowed (see the examples of Jacob, David, and Solomon). The closest the Bible comes to forbidding polygamy is Deuteronomy 17:17, which is properly understood as God’s command against a king of Israel taking many wives. It cannot be understood as a command that no man can ever take more than one wife.

So, if a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do? If polygamy is illegal where he lives, he should do whatever is necessary to submit to the law (Romans 13:1-7), while still providing for his wives and children. If polygamy is legal, but he is convicted that it is wrong, he should divorce all but one wife, but, again, he must not neglect providing for all of them and their children. They are his responsibility. If polygamy is legal and he has no conviction against it, he can remain married to each of his wives, treating each one with love, dignity, and respect. A man who makes this decision would be barred from church leadership, but it cannot be said that he is in explicit violation of any command in Scripture.
If a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do? | GotQuestions.org
 
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I think this sort of thing shows the limitations of Sola Scrriptura.
If you look at the Bible, there are a number of verses suggesting monogamy as an ideal. But yes, a number of others allowing for polygamy. Today we only have outlawed it etc. because of the decisions of church bishops etc. that came about who realize those verses that apply to ministers of the Gospel, also would be beneficial to Christians in general. So when society went Christian etc. they basically applied them to Christians in general, because of the "Biblical ideal" of monogamy, using their power of "Binding and Loosening".
BINDING AND LOOSING - JewishEncyclopedia.com



But if you want to subscribe to the various tenants of Sola Scriptura in its various interpretations. Then you got to understand that some people are going to "do things by the Book, or what the Book allows" (having a polygamous marriage for men who are not clergy). They will likewise insist on their own ability to read/ interpret the text etc. just as Reformers and other movements like the Anabaptists have done. And if you argue against this, they will likewise challenge the basis of your authority....



Anyway many Protestants are OK with tradition and church leadership being a supplementary, or subordinate authority. But there are situations that show that is not really enough ; because it is easily thrown out based on the ability to throw that stuff out based on a person believing themselves to be an under dog, and reading the Bible, and having a Revelations/Conviction that X authority is wrong etc. And yes in this case, a person could make that argument that church leaders are wrong for forbidding polygamous marriage to their male members who have no intention/perceived call of going into ministry.

Polygamy is only permissible for men.

Question: "If a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do?"

Answer:
Since polygamy is frowned upon in most societies, this is not a question too many people think about. But there are still numerous places in the world where polygamy is accepted. Many Muslim countries allow polygamy. For a man to have multiple wives is somewhat common in several African nations. Even in the United States, there are some communities that endorse polygamy. However, virtually all Bible scholars agree that polygamy is not for Christians (see Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible?). What, then, should a polygamist do if he places his faith in Jesus Christ and becomes a Christian?

Most people immediately give an answer like “he should divorce all of his wives but one.” While that seems to be an ethical solution, the situation is usually not quite that simple. For example, which wife does he keep? His first wife? His last wife? His favorite wife? The wife that has borne him the most children? And what about the wives he divorces? How do they provide for themselves? In most cultures that allow polygamy, a previously married woman has very little opportunity to provide for herself and even fewer possibilities of finding a new husband. And what happens to the children of these wives? The situation is often very complicated. There is rarely a simple solution.

We do not believe polygamy is something God approves of in this era. However, the Bible nowhere explicitly gives a “thou shalt not marry multiple wives” command. In the New Testament, a polygamist is ineligible for church leadership (1 Timothy 3:2, 12; Titus 1:6), but polygamy itself is not forbidden. Polygamy was not God’s original intent (Genesis 2:24; Ephesians 5:22-33), but it was also something He allowed (see the examples of Jacob, David, and Solomon). The closest the Bible comes to forbidding polygamy is Deuteronomy 17:17, which is properly understood as God’s command against a king of Israel taking many wives. It cannot be understood as a command that no man can ever take more than one wife.

So, if a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do? If polygamy is illegal where he lives, he should do whatever is necessary to submit to the law (Romans 13:1-7), while still providing for his wives and children. If polygamy is legal, but he is convicted that it is wrong, he should divorce all but one wife, but, again, he must not neglect providing for all of them and their children. They are his responsibility. If polygamy is legal and he has no conviction against it, he can remain married to each of his wives, treating each one with love, dignity, and respect. A man who makes this decision would be barred from church leadership, but it cannot be said that he is in explicit violation of any command in Scripture.
If a man has multiple wives and becomes a Christian, what is he supposed to do? | GotQuestions.org
 
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I was having a discussion with someone who holds to Polygamy as being unproblematic. He asked me why I thought it was. I basically said it would hurt the wife by viewing her as not enough for him and would create a caste system. This was his response. How would you tackle this in a biblical way?

"Accordingto that reasoning, having more than one child is basically saying that the firstborn wasn't enough. Since scripture is ripe with sibling rivalry (Cain and Abel, Ismael and Isaac, Jacob and Esau), one can construct a religion trying to correct that tendency, by espousing a one child policy; then its adherents can come and ask questions similar to yours, about why, throughout scripture, God seems OK with having more than one offspring"
It is considered adultry in the eyes of God. Be blessed.
 
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I think this sort of thing shows the limitations of Sola Scrriptura.
If you look at the Bible, there are a number of verses suggesting monogamy as an ideal. But yes, a number of others allowing for polygamy. Today we only have outlawed it etc. because of the decisions of church bishops etc. that came about who realize those verses that apply to ministers of the Gospel, also would be beneficial to Christians in general. So when society went Christian etc. they basically applied them to Christians in general, because of the "Biblical ideal" of monogamy, using their power of "Binding and Loosening".
BINDING AND LOOSING - JewishEncyclopedia.com



But if you want to subscribe to the various tenants of Sola Scriptura in its various interpretations. Then you got to understand that some people are going to "do things by the Book, or what the Book allows" (having a polygamous marriage for men who are not clergy). They will likewise insist on their own ability to read/ interpret the text etc. just as Reformers and other movements like the Anabaptists have done. And if you argue against this, they will likewise challenge the basis of your authority....



Anyway many Protestants are OK with tradition and church leadership being a supplementary, or subordinate authority. But there are situations that show that is not really enough ; because it is easily thrown out based on the ability to throw that stuff out based on a person believing themselves to be an under dog, and reading the Bible, and having a Revelations/Conviction that X authority is wrong etc. And yes in this case, a person could make that argument that church leaders are wrong for forbidding polygamous marriage to their male members who have no intention/perceived call of going into ministry.
To be honest, I believe I was talking to a Roman Catholic.
 
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Are those verses commands to only have one wive? Or are they poetically saying something else?
I would say they support that one wife is plenty, in God's love. So, whether they are meant as a command or not, they are a confirmation.

Poetically . . . I suppose they could represent how Jesus is delighted in loving us His one bride.

Do you have something else in mind?
 
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I would say they support that one wife is plenty, in God's love. So, whether they are meant as a command or not, they are a confirmation.
I think the author is trying to persuade us to seek joy in your life in a simple, humble, innocent way. I don't see it as instructing us to have only one wife. For that reason - it's not confirmation for me.

Poetically . . . I suppose they could represent how Jesus is delighted in loving us His one bride.
Like song of songs? Some people say that about Songs of Songs dont they?
 
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It's possible though so unlikely that polygamy might be an option. If war reduced a society to 10percent males. There would be nine women whithout the opportunity to become wives and mothers. That's a scandalous environment for nine out of ten women that may produce other social ills that would damage society. Allowing polygamy may be less of an evil than the damage to society that having nine out of ten women unable to fulfill their maternal nature would do.
 
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Yeah. I think the author is saying to try and enjoy your life in a simple, humble innocent way. I don't see it as instructing us to have only one wife. For that reason - it's not confirmation for me.

Well the tossing of a wife into the street and instant poverty is not a good thing.
 
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It's possible though so unlikely that polygamy might be an option. If war reduced a society to 10percent males. There would be nine women whithout the opportunity to become wives and mothers. That's a scandalous environment for nine out of ten women that may produce other social ills that would damage society. Allowing polygamy may be less of an evil than the damage to society that having nine out of ten women unable to fulfill their maternal nature would do.

There is an old testament prophecy about 6 women to every man, all the wives just wanting his name and not actually his financial support...
 
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Well the tossing of a wife into the street and instant poverty is not a good thing.
yeah - I boil the question down to "What is love?". I think the bible is trying to get us to understand that.
 
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It's possible though so unlikely that polygamy might be an option. If war reduced a society to 10percent males. There would be nine women whithout the opportunity to become wives and mothers. That's a scandalous environment for nine out of ten women that may produce other social ills that would damage society. Allowing polygamy may be less of an evil than the damage to society that having nine out of ten women unable to fulfill their maternal nature would do.
Does God accept "Less of an evil"? I figured He was pretty absolute about evil.
 
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Do people confuse morality with alarm / revulsion / repulsion / disgust?
Do they assume that something alarming and foreign to them is also immoral?
I think we're trying to find God's ideal for humanity in the Scriptures. Is taking up more wives loving your first wife as yourself? IDK
 
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I think we're trying to find God's ideal for humanity in the Scriptures. Is taking up more wives loving your first wife as yourself? IDK
Well that's the question. That's for her and her husband to decide for themselves. If they want that - isn't it their freedom to choose it? (Even if you don't understand it or couldn't do it).

As for God's ideal - I Love the idea. It's a great target. I don't know what it is though haha
 
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