Does King James Own Google?

Online Hebrew Interlinear Bible
Genesis 1 Interlinear Bible

Did you know you can use an interlinear Bible (examples above)? Or were you just highlighting this Google quirk?

Regarding the latter... can't say I'm surprised that Google has its own opinions about what results you need to see

HARK! said:

I snipped this verse from the 1917 JPS:

כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל

I entered it into Google translate:

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל,

Here is what I get:

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,

WOW! Looky there! It translates it into Old English for me. I could have bypassed Google and gone straight the KJV; if I wasn't interested is a literal rendering.

Maybe I can outsmart them into giving me what I want. Maybe? Maybe if I enter one word at a time: I can approach a Modern English rendering. Who knows what else they're monkeying with, without being fluent in both languages. This sort of defeats the purpose of using a translator.

Let's try it!

כֹּה = so

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה

So far, so good!

כֹּה תֹאמַר = That's what you'll say

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה תֹאמַר

Now we're rolling! It's probably easy to get around it. It's probably just the word "Israel" that triggers the Old English. WOOHOO!!!

LET THE TRUTH RING OUT!

כֹּה תֹאמַר אֶל = Thus saith the Lord

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה תֹאמַר אֶל

OK...?

Our old friend Old English is back; but I think I see why. Aleph Lamed translates to El, or Lord. In the first rendering the word Benim, or sons, was in the construct form (Beth Nun Yod) with El. for 'son's of Elohim'...I think. This is why I use a translator to aid me. I might be burned down now; as we are bringing El into the text. Strangely it didn't render that way in the first translation attempt. It matched the KJV, instead of what the scripture actually says in Hebrew. This why I like to look at the Hebrew for myself. Lets bring in the sons and see what happens.


כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי = Thus shalt thou say unto my son

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה-תֹאמַר אֶל-בְּנֵי

OK, We're still in Old English; but strangely Google seems to have chosen a different verse. This time it is rendered "son" (singular) ; whereas before it was rendered "children"

So the word "El" clearly triggers KJV mode.

Just for giggles, let's take out El; and add Israel, to test my previous hypothesis. I suspect that the hypothesis will fail; or at least I hope so.

כֹּה-תֹאמַר = So-so

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה-תֹאמַר

In between steps... That's weird. [Edit: Got it. At least I think so. The hyphen changes the meaning. It must be an Israeli expression.]

כֹּה-תֹאמַר יִשְׂרָאֵל = Thus saith Israel

https://translate.google.com/?tl=iw#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=כֹּה-תֹאמַר יִשְׂרָאֵל

WOW! Back to KJV Mode!

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Don't call it Old English, or at least don't capitalise the O in old. Old English is the language spoken prior to the Norman Conquest. The KJV is written in Early Modern English.

I know I am nitpicking, but the very fact that we can easily understand it still, shows it isn't really that 'old'.

tampasteve said:

Meh, probably just because it is one of the most recognizable translations around and broadly accepted in most traditions, even outside of Protestantism.

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If the google translation italicized words added by the translators, as does the King James, then it is for good reason.

HARK! said:

It doesn't italicize. I linked each step of my work for the convenience of the readers; if you wish to take a look at what I saw.

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Thank you for checking. I won't be using google
I did note the links and appreciate your detail.
Your OP is very helpful. I could have also rated "useful" and informative",
but not necessarily "optimistic".

Does King James Own Google?

lol....your mad, but funny

makes me think, who owns the different Jewish calendars...google, King James or God?

HARK! said:

I use interlinears, as well as other resources; but by using an interlinear, I'm still limited to the interpretation of the translator. Many different words, have several different definitions. By doing single word searches through the Google translator, there is a feature which reveals multiple definitions. I appreciate these definitions as coming from an unbiased secular source. However I do take into consideration that this is Modern Hebrew; and that languages change over time.

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I like to study particular words, too. I use "The New Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words." It is interesting to see how a particular word is translated, what the words spelled the same mean, what words are built from a particular root, etc.
Also, when I'm interested in a particular word, for the Hebrew words, I'll google search the word along with Hebrew or Judaism. For example; "tzaddik Hebrew".
Some Hebrew root words are also in the Ugarit language, and those finds make for interesting reading.
For the Greek words, I do a google search along with "greek literature" or "greek philosophy" to see how it was originally used. Sometimes you have to do a little digging and page flipping because the first search results are usually the bible definitions.
Good luck with your searching!

Hark, The Lords maybe got a message for you in the King James version. He works in mysterious ways.