Between The Evenings

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

pinacled said:
chronological order from 14 thru 21 of The feast during nisan.
Take note of Ecclesiastes 11 concerning a portion of 7 and 8 and the parallels between sukkot and feast of pesach.
8 yammin in total for each high Holy feast of the yr.
2 peter 1

}14 evening and morning
Pesach, bitter herbs, unleavened bread
° Always during a full moon to which does not always occur during a weekly shabbat.
Faith

}15 evening and morning
Begining of Unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Goodness (micah 6:8)

}16 evening and morning
2nd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Knowledge

}17 evening and morning
3rd yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Self-control

}18 evening and morning
4th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Perserverance

}19 evening and morning
5th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
godliness (psalms 1:1-3 )

}20 evening and morning
6th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Brotherly affection

}21 evening to morning
7th yom of unleavened bread
° Moon waning
Love

Blessings Always

Leviticus 23
23כ״ג
וַיְדַבֵּ֥ר יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר׃

The LORD spoke to Moses, saying:

דַּבֵּ֞ר אֶל־בְּנֵ֤י יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ וְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֲלֵהֶ֔ם מוֹעֲדֵ֣י יְהוָ֔ה אֲשֶׁר־תִּקְרְא֥וּ אֹתָ֖ם מִקְרָאֵ֣י קֹ֑דֶשׁ אֵ֥לֶּה הֵ֖ם מוֹעֲדָֽי׃

Speak to the Israelite people and say to them: These are My fixed times, the fixed times of the LORD, which you shall proclaim as sacred occasions.

שֵׁ֣שֶׁת יָמִים֮ תֵּעָשֶׂ֣ה מְלָאכָה֒ וּבַיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֗י שַׁבַּ֤ת שַׁבָּתוֹן֙ מִקְרָא־קֹ֔דֶשׁ כָּל־מְלָאכָ֖ה לֹ֣א תַעֲשׂ֑וּ שַׁבָּ֥ת הִוא֙ לַֽיהוָ֔ה בְּכֹ֖ל מֽוֹשְׁבֹתֵיכֶֽם׃ (פ)

On six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there shall be a sabbath of complete rest, a sacred occasion. You shall do no work; it shall be a sabbath of the LORD throughout your settlements.

אֵ֚לֶּה מוֹעֲדֵ֣י יְהוָ֔ה מִקְרָאֵ֖י קֹ֑דֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר־תִּקְרְא֥וּ אֹתָ֖ם בְּמוֹעֲדָֽם׃

These are the set times of the LORD, the sacred occasions, which you shall celebrate each at its appointed time:

בַּחֹ֣דֶשׁ הָרִאשׁ֗וֹן בְּאַרְבָּעָ֥ה עָשָׂ֛ר לַחֹ֖דֶשׁ בֵּ֣ין הָעַרְבָּ֑יִם פֶּ֖סַח לַיהוָֽה׃

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, there shall be a passover offering to the LORD,

וּבַחֲמִשָּׁ֨ה עָשָׂ֥ר יוֹם֙ לַחֹ֣דֶשׁ הַזֶּ֔ה חַ֥ג הַמַּצּ֖וֹת לַיהוָ֑ה שִׁבְעַ֥ת יָמִ֖ים מַצּ֥וֹת תֹּאכֵֽלוּ׃

and on the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Feast of Unleavened Bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days.

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
Exodus 12:6 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
וְהָיָ֤ה לָכֶם֙ לְמִשְׁמֶ֔רֶת עַ֣ד אַרְבָּעָ֥ה עָשָׂ֛ר י֖וֹם לַחֹ֣דֶשׁ הַזֶּ֑ה וְשָׁחֲט֣וּ אֹת֗וֹ כֹּ֛ל קְהַ֥ל עֲדַֽת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל בֵּ֥ין הָעַרְבָּֽיִם׃
You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight. (14 Abib)
Exodus 12:10 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
וְלֹא־תוֹתִ֥ירוּ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ עַד־בֹּ֑קֶר וְהַנֹּתָ֥ר מִמֶּ֛נּוּ עַד־בֹּ֖קֶר בָּאֵ֥שׁ תִּשְׂרֹֽפוּ׃
You shall not leave any of it over until morning; if any of it is left until morning, you shall burn it. (any remains removed before morning)
Exodus 12:18 (JPS Tanakh Sefaria, 1985)
בָּרִאשֹׁ֡ן בְּאַרְבָּעָה֩ עָשָׂ֨ר י֤וֹם לַחֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ בָּעֶ֔רֶב תֹּאכְל֖וּ מַצֹּ֑ת עַ֠ד י֣וֹם הָאֶחָ֧ד וְעֶשְׂרִ֛ים לַחֹ֖דֶשׁ בָּעָֽרֶב׃
In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. (not "thru" nor including the evening of 21 Abib)

Definition of "until" as up to, but not including the point in time/event being mentioned.

What also adds confusion is the pharisaical leaders of the Sanhedrin defining "between the evenings" (i.e. twilight) instead as "the afternoon" (from noon to sunset) based on man's oral law (Talmud) instead of Yahweh's instruction (Exodus 12:6) from sundown to darkness (twilight).

Consider that there are two evenings.
A begining evening and ending evening to each yom.
A plausible reasoning to the wording cited in shemot 12 concerning the evening of the 21 yom is that it is the ending evening of the 21st or 7th yom of unleavened bread.

Blessings Always

AbbaLove · Aug 18, 2020

pinacled said:
and on the fifteenth day of that month the LORD’s Feast of Unleavened Bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days.

You're confusing/conflicting the LORD"S commands in Exodus 12:14 and 18 as if they're taking a back seat to Leviticus 23:6. You're implying Leviticus 23:6 somehow replaces Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12. Or maybe you'd rather follow a man-made oral tradition than Yahweh's command.

14 And this day shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law. (14 Abib)
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening.

You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days. (2nd sentence of Leviticus 23:6 is summarizing the festival (Exodus 12:14) beginning on 14 Aviv. What is confusing you and others is ignoring both the meaning of "until" as well as implying that Yahweh's command in Leviticus 23:6 negates Yahweh's command in Exodus 12:14 and 18 ...

14 And this day shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law. (14 Abib)
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening.

Yahweh's command in Exodus 12 states that unleavened bread with maror (bitter herbs) is eaten with roasted lamb on the evening of 14 Abib. You need to read (interpret) Leviticus 26:6 in light of it being two sentences with the second sentence summarizing the eating of unleavened bread for seven days beginning on 14 Abib "until" (up to) the evening of 21 Abib, but not on 21 Abib.

Your interpretation of eating unleavened bread on 21 Abib makes eight days since day 1 begins on 14 Abib. Therefore, you are confusing/conflicting the LORD"S commands by ignoring Exodus 12:14 and 18.

14 And this day shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening.

You must take into account Yahweh's command in both Exodus and Leviticus as not conflicting. Therefore, the seven days runs "until" (up to), but not including the evening of 21 Abib.

You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days. (2nd sentence of Leviticus 23:6 is summarizing the festival (Exodus 12:14) ...

And this day shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law.

You're certainly aren't the only one that reads Leviticus 23:6, and things it takes precedence over Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12:14 from the evening of 14 Abib through the evening of 20 Abib, but only "until" (up to) 21 Abib.

Posted Exodus 12:14 and 18 four times to hopefully open your eyes. You have to reconcile those verses with Leviticus 23:6. Until then your reckoning is flawed until you reconcile them together with day 1 on 14 Abib and day 7 on 20 Abib (7 days)

AbbaLove · Aug 18, 2020

Do you not have the time to read my posts? I can post again, and again in smaller bite size portions for you to digest. What don't you get? You need to reconcile Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 with His command in Leviticus 23:6

Don't you understand that Pesach and Unleavened Bread were to be One Festival over 7 days beginning on 14 Abib through 20 Abib (until the twenty-first). The confusion is in no small measure to the man-made traditions in the oral law of the Talmud.

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
Do you not have the time to read my posts? I can post again, and again in smaller bite size portions for you to digest. What don't you get? You need to reconcile Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 with His command in Leviticus 23:6

Don't you understand that Pesach and Unleavened Bread were to be One Festival over 7 days beginning on 14 Abib through 20 Abib (until the twenty-first). The confusion is in no small measure to the man-made traditions in the oral law of the Talmud.

No,
Leviticus 23 clarifies the 15th as the begining of the feast of unleavened bread.

AbbaLove · Aug 18, 2020

pinacled said:
No,
Leviticus 23 clarifies the 15th as the begining of the feast of unleavened bread.

Then you're NOT reconciling Exodus 12:14, Exodus 12:18, and other verses in Exodus 12 with Leviticus 23:6 when unleavened bread is first eaten on 14 Abib continuing "until" (up to) 21 Abib. The Festival of Pesach with roasted lamb, Unleavened Bread, maror should be viewed as being celebrated together as one Festival to the LORD with day one on 14 Abib "until" (up to) the twenty-first, but not including 21 Abib.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is not to be a separate festival of seven days besides the festival of Pesach beginning on the 14th. The two are to be one Feast to the LORD including "Passover" as Day One of the Feast of Unleavened Bread "until" the twenty-first ...

14 And this day (14 Abib) shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening.

Whether you realize it or not your timeline does not reconcile the seven days beginning on 14 Abib with eating unleavened bread. In affect you're implying that Leviticus 23:6 takes precedent over Exodus 12:14 and Exodus 12:18. In effect you've decided to redefine "until" (meaning up to) instead to through or including.

If as you believe "until" should be defined as "include" then the Torah would read "לְרַבּוֹת" (include) instead of "עד" (until). You are unwilling to even try reconciling verses 14, 18 and others in Exodus 12 with Leviticus 23:6 instead like many accept man-made traditions of the oral law of the Babylonian Talmud.

Do you also believe "twilight" in the evening is in "the afternoon" (from noon to sunset) as did the pharisaical sanhedrin further perpetuated by Rashi and other Rabbinic Jews and even Christendom (e.g. RRC).

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
Then you're NOT reconciling Exodus 12:14, Exodus 12:18, and other verses in Exodus 12 with Leviticus 23:6 when unleavened bread is first eaten on 14 Abib continuing "until" (up to) 21 Abib. The Festival of Pesach with roasted lamb, Unleavened Bread, maror should be viewed as being celebrated together as one Festival to the LORD with day one on 14 Abib "until" (up to) the twenty-first, but not including 21 Abib.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is not to be a separate festival of seven days besides the festival of Pesach beginning on the 14th. The two are to be one Feast to the LORD including "Passover" as Day One of the Feast of Unleavened Bread "until" the twenty-first ...

14 And this day (14 Abib) shall become to you a remembrance. And you shall observe it as a festival to יהוה throughout your generations – observe it as a festival, an everlasting law.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening.

Whether you realize it or not your timeline does not reconcile the seven days beginning on 14 Abib with eating unleavened bread. In affect you're implying that Leviticus 23:6 takes precedent over Exodus 12:14 and Exodus 12:18. In effect you've decided to redefine "until" (meaning up to) instead to through or including.

If as you believe "until" should be defined as "include" then the Torah would read "לְרַבּוֹת" (include) instead of "עד" (until). You are unwilling to even try reconciling verses 14, 18 and others in Exodus 12 with Leviticus 23:6 instead like many accept man-made traditions of the oral law of the Babylonian Talmud.

Do you also believe "twilight" in the evening is in "the afternoon" (from noon to sunset) as did the pharisaical sanhedrin further perpetuated by Rashi and other Rabbinic Jews and even Christendom (e.g. RRC).

I understand that unleavened bread is eaten on pesach 14 nisan.
Instructions to remove leaven from the house on the first Yom does not constitute the feast of unleavened bread.
Exodus 12:15
To which is both clarified and reconciled with leviticus 23.

And also expounded upon by ole sh'aul as the leaven of malice.
Why Hide Pieces of Bread Before the Search for Chametz?

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
Do you not have the time to read my posts? I can post again, and again in smaller bite size portions for you to digest. What don't you get? You need to reconcile Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 with His command in Leviticus 23:6

Don't you understand that Pesach and Unleavened Bread were to be One Festival over 7 days beginning on 14 Abib through 20 Abib (until the twenty-first). The confusion is in no small measure to the man-made traditions in the oral law of the Talmud.

where do you get abib from?
Esther 3:7

Esther 3אסתר ג׳

...טוען מידע...
3ג׳
אַחַ֣ר ׀ הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֗לֶּה גִּדַּל֩ הַמֶּ֨לֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵר֜וֹשׁ אֶת־הָמָ֧ן בֶּֽן־הַמְּדָ֛תָא הָאֲגָגִ֖י וַֽיְנַשְּׂאֵ֑הוּ וַיָּ֙שֶׂם֙ אֶת־כִּסְא֔וֹ מֵעַ֕ל כָּל־הַשָּׂרִ֖ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר אִתּֽוֹ׃

Some time afterward, King Ahasuerus promoted Haman son of Hammedatha the Agagite; he advanced him and seated him higher than any of his fellow officials.

וְכָל־עַבְדֵ֨י הַמֶּ֜לֶךְ אֲשֶׁר־בְּשַׁ֣עַר הַמֶּ֗לֶךְ כֹּרְעִ֤ים וּמִֽשְׁתַּחֲוִים֙ לְהָמָ֔ן כִּי־כֵ֖ן צִוָּה־ל֣וֹ הַמֶּ֑לֶךְ וּמָ֨רְדֳּכַ֔י לֹ֥א יִכְרַ֖ע וְלֹ֥א יִֽשְׁתַּחֲוֶֽה׃

All the king’s courtiers in the palace gate knelt and bowed low to Haman, for such was the king’s order concerning him; but Mordecai would not kneel or bow low.

וַיֹּ֨אמְר֜וּ עַבְדֵ֥י הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ אֲשֶׁר־בְּשַׁ֥עַר הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ לְמָרְדֳּכָ֑י מַדּ֙וּעַ֙ אַתָּ֣ה עוֹבֵ֔ר אֵ֖ת מִצְוַ֥ת הַמֶּֽלֶךְ׃

Then the king’s courtiers who were in the palace gate said to Mordecai, “Why do you disobey the king’s order?”

וַיְהִ֗י באמרם [כְּאָמְרָ֤ם] אֵלָיו֙ י֣וֹם וָי֔וֹם וְלֹ֥א שָׁמַ֖ע אֲלֵיהֶ֑ם וַיַּגִּ֣ידוּ לְהָמָ֗ן לִרְאוֹת֙ הֲיַֽעַמְדוּ֙ דִּבְרֵ֣י מָרְדֳּכַ֔י כִּֽי־הִגִּ֥יד לָהֶ֖ם אֲשֶׁר־ה֥וּא יְהוּדִֽי׃

When they spoke to him day after day and he would not listen to them, they told Haman, in order to see whether Mordecai’s resolve would prevail; for he had explained to them that he was a Jew.

וַיַּ֣רְא הָמָ֔ן כִּי־אֵ֣ין מָרְדֳּכַ֔י כֹּרֵ֥עַ וּמִֽשְׁתַּחֲוֶ֖ה ל֑וֹ וַיִּמָּלֵ֥א הָמָ֖ן חֵמָֽה׃

When Haman saw that Mordecai would not kneel or bow low to him, Haman was filled with rage.

וַיִּ֣בֶז בְּעֵינָ֗יו לִשְׁלֹ֤ח יָד֙ בְּמָרְדֳּכַ֣י לְבַדּ֔וֹ כִּֽי־הִגִּ֥ידוּ ל֖וֹ אֶת־עַ֣ם מָרְדֳּכָ֑י וַיְבַקֵּ֣שׁ הָמָ֗ן לְהַשְׁמִ֧יד אֶת־כָּל־הַיְּהוּדִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֛ר בְּכָל־מַלְכ֥וּת אֲחַשְׁוֵר֖וֹשׁ עַ֥ם מָרְדֳּכָֽי׃

But he disdained to lay hands on Mordecai alone; having been told who Mordecai’s people were, Haman plotted to do away with all the Jews, Mordecai’s people, throughout the kingdom of Ahasuerus.

בַּחֹ֤דֶשׁ הָרִאשׁוֹן֙ הוּא־חֹ֣דֶשׁ נִיסָ֔ן בִּשְׁנַת֙ שְׁתֵּ֣ים עֶשְׂרֵ֔ה לַמֶּ֖לֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵר֑וֹשׁ הִפִּ֣יל פּוּר֩ ה֨וּא הַגּוֹרָ֜ל לִפְנֵ֣י הָמָ֗ן מִיּ֧וֹם ׀ לְי֛וֹם וּמֵחֹ֛דֶשׁ לְחֹ֥דֶשׁ שְׁנֵים־עָשָׂ֖ר הוּא־חֹ֥דֶשׁ אֲדָֽר׃ (ס)

In the first month, that is, the month of Nisan, in the twelfth year of King Ahasuerus, pur—which means “the lot”—was cast before Haman concerning every day and every month, [until it fell on] the twelfth month, that is, the month of Adar.

AbbaLove · Aug 18, 2020

pinacled said:
I understand that unleavened bread is eaten on pesach 14 nisan.
Instructions to remove leaven from the house on the first Yom does not constitute the feast of unleavened bread.

It's also the festival of Passover/Pesach for 7 days beginning on the 14th. Your still not getting it.

pinacled said:
Exodus 12:15
To which is both clarified and reconciled with leviticus 23.

You're still not getting it. Exodus 12:15 is referring to the first day of unleavened bread on the 14th, not the 15th. Of course your going to eat unleavened bread with the roasted lamb and maror on the evening of the 14th after all leaven is removed ...

15 “‘For seven days you are to eat matzah — on the first day remove the leaven from your houses. For whoever eats hametz [leavened bread] from the first to the seventh day is to be cut off from Isra’el. (the 1st day is the 14th not the 15th)

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 more than once instead of just scanning or overlooking it as if you think Yahweh is only commanding an Unleavened Festival when He makes it clear in Exodus 12 that Passover is to be a 7 day festival "until" (up to) the 21st.

You are misinterpreting Leviticus 23:6 as if the only Festival to be from generation to generation perpetually is the 7 day Festival of Unleavened Bread beginning on the 15th. No they are not two separate festivals with Passover being a 7 day festival beginning on the 14th through the 20, and Unleavened being another festival beginning on the 15th through the 21st.

Because Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 (from generation to generation perpetually) preceded that of Leviticus 23:5-6 we have to reconcile the two of them as one co-joined festival to the LORD. Because the first unleavened bread is eaten on the 14th the 7 day joint festival is runs "until" (up to), but not including the twenty-first.

Either that or the joint festival is over eight days (14th including 21st), and if that is what Yahweh intended then eight represents a new beginning to come. However, IF that was Yahweh's plan then the Torah should read "לְרַבּוֹת" (include) instead of "עד" (until).

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 and open your mind's eyes to see that Yahweh is also talking about a Passover festival. When carefully reading Exodus 12 you will see the use of "until" ("עד") in other verses like Exodus 12:6 meaning up, but not including the evening as the lambs are slaughtered "between the evenings" on the 14th. Likewise, the joint Festival of Passover & Unleavened Bread is "until" (up to) the evening of the 21st, but not including the evening of the 21st.

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
It's also the festival of Passover/Pesach for 7 days beginning on the 14th. Your still not getting it.

You're still not getting it. Exodus 12:15 is referring to the first day of unleavened bread on the 14th, not the 15th. Of course your going to eat unleavened bread with the roasted lamb and maror on the evening of the 14th after all leaven is removed ...

15 “‘For seven days you are to eat matzah — on the first day remove the leaven from your houses. For whoever eats hametz [leavened bread] from the first to the seventh day is to be cut off from Isra’el. (the 1st day is the 14th not the 15th)

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 more than once instead of just scanning or overlooking it as if you think Yahweh is only commanding an Unleavened Festival when He makes it clear in Exodus 12 that Passover is to be a 7 day festival "until" (up to) the 21st.

You are misinterpreting Leviticus 23:6 as if the only Festival to be from generation to generation perpetually is the 7 day Festival of Unleavened Bread beginning on the 15th. No they are not two separate festivals with Passover being a 7 day festival beginning on the 14th through the 20, and Unleavened being another festival beginning on the 15th through the 21st.

Because Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 (from generation to generation perpetually) preceded that of Leviticus 23:5-6 we have to reconcile the two of them as one co-joined festival to the LORD. Because the first unleavened bread is eaten on the 14th the 7 day joint festival is runs "until" (up to), but not including the twenty-first.

Either that or the joint festival is over eight days (14th including 21st), and if that is what Yahweh intended then eight represents a new beginning to come. However, IF that was Yahweh's plan then the Torah should read "לְרַבּוֹת" (include) instead of "עד" (until).

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 and open your mind's eyes to see that Yahweh is also talking about a Passover festival. When carefully reading Exodus 12 you will see the use of "until" ("עד") in other verses like Exodus 12:6 meaning up, but not including the evening as the lambs are slaughtered "between the evenings" on the 14th. Likewise, the joint Festival of Passover & Unleavened Bread is "until" (up to) the evening of the 21st, but not including the evening of the 21st.

My hearts eyes are upon Yeshua and no other than Adonai.
I adhere to a school of thought where there are 3 High Holy Yammin(days)
And the feast of unleavened bread perpetuates an understanding of sukkot where I come from.
The plain meaning PaRDeS of leviticus 23 states the 15th

You've avoided my earlier question about where you got abib from.

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

AbbaLove said:
It's also the festival of Passover/Pesach for 7 days beginning on the 14th. Your still not getting it.

You're still not getting it. Exodus 12:15 is referring to the first day of unleavened bread on the 14th, not the 15th. Of course your going to eat unleavened bread with the roasted lamb and maror on the evening of the 14th after all leaven is removed ...

15 “‘For seven days you are to eat matzah — on the first day remove the leaven from your houses. For whoever eats hametz [leavened bread] from the first to the seventh day is to be cut off from Isra’el. (the 1st day is the 14th not the 15th)

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 more than once instead of just scanning or overlooking it as if you think Yahweh is only commanding an Unleavened Festival when He makes it clear in Exodus 12 that Passover is to be a 7 day festival "until" (up to) the 21st.

You are misinterpreting Leviticus 23:6 as if the only Festival to be from generation to generation perpetually is the 7 day Festival of Unleavened Bread beginning on the 15th. No they are not two separate festivals with Passover being a 7 day festival beginning on the 14th through the 20, and Unleavened being another festival beginning on the 15th through the 21st.

Because Yahweh's commands in Exodus 12 (from generation to generation perpetually) preceded that of Leviticus 23:5-6 we have to reconcile the two of them as one co-joined festival to the LORD. Because the first unleavened bread is eaten on the 14th the 7 day joint festival is runs "until" (up to), but not including the twenty-first.

Either that or the joint festival is over eight days (14th including 21st), and if that is what Yahweh intended then eight represents a new beginning to come. However, IF that was Yahweh's plan then the Torah should read "לְרַבּוֹת" (include) instead of "עד" (until).

You need to carefully read Exodus 12 and open your mind's eyes to see that Yahweh is also talking about a Passover festival. When carefully reading Exodus 12 you will see the use of "until" ("עד") in other verses like Exodus 12:6 meaning up, but not including the evening as the lambs are slaughtered "between the evenings" on the 14th. Likewise, the joint Festival of Passover & Unleavened Bread is "until" (up to) the evening of the 21st, but not including the evening of the 21st.

The same reasoning you have used to describe sunset to evening is available to understand the 21st evening of unleavened bread

pinacled · Aug 18, 2020

pinacled said:
where do you get abib from?
Esther 3:7

בַּחֹ֤דֶשׁ הָרִאשׁוֹן֙ הוּא־חֹ֣דֶשׁ נִיסָ֔ן בִּשְׁנַת֙ שְׁתֵּ֣ים עֶשְׂרֵ֔ה לַמֶּ֖לֶךְ אֲחַשְׁוֵר֑וֹשׁ הִפִּ֣יל פּוּר֩ ה֨וּא הַגּוֹרָ֜ל לִפְנֵ֣י הָמָ֗ן מִיּ֧וֹם ׀ לְי֛וֹם וּמֵחֹ֛דֶשׁ לְחֹ֥דֶשׁ שְׁנֵים־עָשָׂ֖ר הוּא־חֹ֥דֶשׁ אֲדָֽר׃ (ס)

In the first month, that is, the month of Nisan, in the twelfth year of King Ahasuerus, pur—which means “the lot”—was cast before Haman concerning every day and every month, [until it fell on] the twelfth month, that is, the month of Adar.

For those reading here that are walking humbly with the Lord and hunger for further understanding in the spirit.
Nisan in hebrew is nun, yod, samekh, nun.

Take note of the nun being likened to between the evenings.
With yod and samekh representing 70 nations.
The Letter Nun

AbbaLove · Aug 19, 2020

pinacled said:
Take note of the nun (The Letter Nun)
being likened to between the evenings.

It's apparent that we'll 'justly' have to agree to disagree as to whether the counting of the seven day festival beginning on the 14th should be "until" the evening of the 21st or "thru" the evening of the 21st. What else is not certain within Judaism is when the counting of the omer begins (so what else isn't knew within Judaism?).

Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra'a following quote speaks volumes about the dilemma he and other Rabbi's must have often found themself between a rock and a hard place. The Rock being Elohim GOD (HaShem) and a hard place being the Babylonian Talmud (JMO) ...

quote-how-can-you-expect-me-to-be-perfect-when-i-am-full-of-contradictions-abraham-ibn-ezra-138-52-80.jpg

This go-around with Non-Denom has been a much needed stimulating mental exercise for my 76 yr young/old brain (darn non-kosher processed junk food). Not so with Moshe, or AZ's senior years or in Israel today with fertile non-polluted soils and much healthier (kosher) organic foods.

Shame, shame on American corn and soybean farmers that have been raping America's fertile soils ever since Atrazine was introduced in 1958, with tons and tons of other chemicals following in their footsteps further polluting America's farm lands including cotton, peanuts and other agri-crops.

Read somewhere that there's scientific reasoning to justify the belief that the brain is actually designed to function for a thousand years ... even if the body isn't "up to" it. So, "until" then be Blessed By Adonai (Father and Son).

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Returning to the days of yesteryear and the three "between the evenings" put forth in the intro to this thread (post #1) ...

The shortest time span reckoning is from sunset to sundown on Nisan 14 (by AbbaLove)
Possibly as short as approximately 38 minutes (our time) when the lambs were to be slayed

Another "twilight" time span is from noon to sunset on Nisan 14 (when the Lamb of GOD was killed) ... (by Rashi)

The longest time span is from sunset beginning Nisan 14th to sunset beginning Nisan 15. (by HARK!)

What was my 76 year young/old brain thinking? I forgot to include AZ's timeline from "sundown to darkness".

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Will be back later this beautiful morning of 29 Elul for concluding post(s) to pick the winning reply in this thread and the winner (if there is one) of the three "between the [two] evenings" listed above being those of: AbbaLove, Rashi, HARK! . . .

oppsy, what was this 76 yr young/old brain thinking ... forgot to include AZ's
"between the evenings" timeline from "sundown to darkness"

AbbaLove · Aug 19, 2020

"Between the [two] Evenings"
בין שני ערבים ... Ben Ha Arbayim

Sunset in Jerusalem at end of Nisan 13 at 7:02 pm (April 7, 2020)
(Nisan 14 was on a Wednesday this year 2020)

Nisan 14 Civil Dusk Twilight until 7:27 pm (25 minutes)
Nisan 14 Nautical Dusk Twilight until 7:56 pm (29 minutes)
Nisan 14 Astronomical Dusk Twilight until 8:26 pm (30 minutes)
Nisan 14 Total Dusk Twilight = 84 minutes

Nisan 14 nighttime from 8:26 pm to 4:54 am

Nisan 14 Astronomical Dawn Twilight until 5:24 am (30 minutes)
Nisan 14 Nautical Dawn Twilight until 5:53 am (29 minutes)
Nisan 14 Civil Dawn Twilight until 6:18 am (25 minutes)
Nisan 14 Total Dawn Twilight = 84 minutes

Nisan 14 daylight from 6:18 am to 7:03 pm

. . . the crescent moon should be visible on the evening of Tishrei 1 (August 20th) . . .
torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y2020M6

AbbaLove · Aug 19, 2020

my brain had a male-function

AbbaLove · Aug 19, 2020

The winning reply on this thread goes to
Hank77

(reply #8)
www.nehemiaswall.com/when-passover-sacrifice-brought

AbbaLove · Aug 19, 2020

That means that all three interpretations of "between the evenings" were incorrect ...

The shortest time span reckoning is from sunset to sundown on Nisan 14 (by AbbaLove)
Possibly as short as approximately 38 minutes (our time) when the lambs were to be slayed

Another "twilight" time span is from noon to sunset on Nisan 14 (when the Lamb of GOD was killed) ... (by Rashi)

The longest time span is from sunset beginning Nisan 14th to sunset beginning Nisan 15. (by HARK!)

Thanks to the website link by Hank77 we'll have to give the winning interpretation of "between the evenings" to Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra's timeline from "sundown to darkness" as more inline with this excerpt from Hank77's post than the above three as explained by Nehemia Gordon ... should add that HARK! is most likely correct that the word "slaughtered" (on the 14th) also refers to the roasting or at least the preparation for the roasting which could take more than my 38 minute timeline.

The Torah commands us: "In the First Month on the fourteenth day of the month, between the two evenings [Hebrew: "Bein Ha'arabayim"], is the Passover [Sacrifice] to Yehovah." In biblical Hebrew, the word "evening" (Ayin-Resh-Bet) indicates both the "early part of the night", as well as the actual "onset of evening". In the expression "between the two evenings" the first "onset of evening" is sunset (when the disk of the sun disappears) while the second "onset of evening" is the disappearance of the last rays of the sun and the onset of total darkness. The expression "between the two evenings" is used interchangeably with the term "Ba-Erev" (literally: "at evening") which itself refers to the "onset of the evening". (Nehemia Gordon)

Nehemia Gordon is the creator and host of the Hebrew Voices podcast, downloaded over 8 million times in 2018. He has written two popular books on the Hebrew origins of Christianity and is active in interfaith dialogue. Gordon holds a Masters Degree in Biblical Studies and a Bachelors Degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He has worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls and a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. Gordon is currently working on cutting edge research utilizing Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible.
www.nehemiaswall.com/about-nehemia-gordon

pinacled · Aug 20, 2020

pinacled said:
For those reading here that are walking humbly with the Lord and hunger for further understanding in the spirit.
Nisan in hebrew is nun, yod, samekh, nun.

Take note of the nun being likened to between the evenings.
With yod and samekh representing 70 nations.
The Letter Nun

ח לְמַטֵּה אֶפְרָיִם, הוֹשֵׁעַ בִּן-נוּן. 8
Of the tribe of Ephraim, Hoshea the son of Nun

pinacled · Aug 20, 2020

pinacled said:
For those reading here that are walking humbly with the Lord and hunger for further understanding in the spirit.
Nisan in hebrew is nun, yod, samekh, nun.

Take note of the nun being likened to between the evenings.
With yod and samekh representing 70 nations.
The Letter Nun

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pinacled · Aug 20, 2020

AbbaLove said:
"Between the [two] Evenings"
בין שני ערבים ... Ben Ha Arbayim

Sunset in Jerusalem at end of Nisan 13 at 7:02 pm (April 7, 2020)
(Nisan 14 was on a Wednesday this year 2020)

Nisan 14 Civil Dusk Twilight until 7:27 pm (25 minutes)
Nisan 14 Nautical Dusk Twilight until 7:56 pm (29 minutes)
Nisan 14 Astronomical Dusk Twilight until 8:26 pm (30 minutes)
Nisan 14 Total Dusk Twilight = 84 minutes

Nisan 14 nighttime from 8:26 pm to 4:54 am

Nisan 14 Astronomical Dawn Twilight until 5:24 am (30 minutes)
Nisan 14 Nautical Dawn Twilight until 5:53 am (29 minutes)
Nisan 14 Civil Dawn Twilight until 6:18 am (25 minutes)
Nisan 14 Total Dawn Twilight = 84 minutes

Nisan 14 daylight from 6:18 am to 7:03 pm

. . . the crescent moon should be visible on the evening of Tishrei 1 (August 20th) . . .
torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y2020M6

Thankyou for the wonderful illustration sir abbalove.

From the horizon of evening i see 6 petals of a lily till all stars are seen.
Especially the day star and narrow path.

Blessings always.

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