The Strawman argument that ALL = every single person
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So, this is just a thinly-veiled attack on universal salvation.
Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
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But what is "the subject at hand"? And why no mention of textual exaggeration?
This is not really a question of word definitions. The definition of "all" doesn't change due to textual exaggeration. It still means all. The application of common sense in light of the context is the REAL subject at hand. Making a blanket declaration that "all" doesn't always mean all, is not very helpful. IMHO
What is the practical application here? To question every biblical text that includes the word "all"? Asserting the imaginary "all" doesn't necessarily mean all rule. Which is really just a man-made doctrinal assertion to nullify what the scriptures in question clearly say.
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The word "all" is clearly defined in this verse. Are you claiming it doesn't mean all?
Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
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Please tell us if ALL means ALL no exceptions below:
John 16:30
30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.
John 21:17
17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Matthew 24:6
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
hope this helps !!!
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Paul did NOT say "'by' Christ shall all be made alive." All mankind are inherently "in Adam," since all mankind are literal descendants of Adam, without any choice on their part, BUT "all mankind" are NOT inherently "in Christ" that requires a personal conscious action by each individual.
Here are some verses where Paul stresses being "in Christ."
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
NOT “in Christ””in Him” NOT gathered together in one.Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
NOT “in Christ” NO redemption.Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
“Walk after the flesh” NOT “in Christ” there IS condemnation.Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
NOT “in Christ” NOT free from the law of sin and death.Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
NOT “in Christ” NOT a member of the body.1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
NOT “in Christ” NO sanctification, NO redemption.2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Not “in Christ” old things NOT passed away NOT made new.Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
NOT “in Christ” NOT children of God.Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
NOT “in Christ” NOT ”made nigh” still far off.2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
NOT “in Christ” NO promise of life.2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.And when we get to the end of the book.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.” Vs. 4 “No more death” but 4 verses later, Rev 21:8 says 8 groups “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If there is “no more death” after vs. 4 then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is still called the “second death.”.Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
There is no mention of salvation after Rev 22:14.11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:15
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
2 More verses "The End"15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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You, as anyone else, are free to hold any views you choose to but I have never seen one verse which clearly and unequivocally states that the unrepentant will be saved after death.God did not take any pleasure in destroying 100s of 1000s of mankind; men, women, young, old, children and infants all except Noah and his family but He did in fact destroy them.
God did not take any pleasure in destroying 10s of 1000s all the inhabitants of Sodom, Gomorrah and all the cities of the plains; men, women, young, old, children and infants all except Job and his family but He did in fact destroy them.
God did not take any pleasure in commanding Israel to destroy 1000s, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, the Jebusites etc. but He did in fact command them to and they did in fact destroy all the inhabitants of those cities.
Let me use your logic since Christians are supposed to be tolerant, forgiving etc. in this life then God must also be tolerant, forgiving etc.
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So you agree that Christ will reconcile ALL of humankind to himself? (they certainly NEED it)
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The word "all" is clearly defined in this verse. Are you claiming it doesn't mean all?
Colossians 1:19-20
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Did the one trespass result in condemnation for all people, or only some? (verse 18)
Through the disobedience of the one man all were made sinners, or only some? (verse 19)
Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Through the disobedience of the one man all were made sinners, or only some? (verse 19)
Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
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