So,.. What Happened?

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Yes but just because we aren't sinners to God,.. we're still sinners by nature.

Just temporarily, in these bodies of death, but in reality, all is done and we are already eternal!

*That old dragon is already dead and thrashing like a snake without its head...
 
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True, but He still didn't die for them yet and they were still sinners.

In old testament time people was able still to be saved without Jesus. Yet Moses and Elijah were never sinners but saints and prophets and Elijah get alive to heaven because of this.
 
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Evidently, some were raised when He died too, which I never saw there before.
This be the 24 elders in Heaven, IMO. Since Jesus is the first fruits, they are the "wave" offering of grain, ( a small bundle) meaning more will come later.
Lev 23,
9Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. 11‘He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12‘Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the LORD. 13‘Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the LORD for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine. 14‘Until this same day, until you have brought in the offering of your God, you shall eat neither bread nor roasted grain nor new growth. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.
 
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To people who died before Jesus came to earth and then died and rose again for our salvation?

David believed he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever. IMO, just like when we die now, they (their souls) would of went to Gods House- not to some compartment in the earth, the city that has foundations that Abraham looked for. They were covered by Jesus' blood, just like all who will ever believe. Jesus is the God of the living, not the dead or those "asleep". Abraham saw Jesus day and rejoiced. So he is not sleeping. ;)

Paradise is in the garden of God (Rev 2:7) where Jesus and the thief on the cross went, in the Heavenly city of God-where the tree of life is. Jesus is adding on rooms to the Fathers House for us now, and will come again for us one day!

We have a more complete picture of life after death from the NT. All the rest is mans tradition trying to explain what happens when we or they died. Listen to the word, and dig out the truth. :oldthumbsup:

51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 52The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ 53“Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

9When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

A Psalm of David.

1The LORD is my shepherd,
I shall not want.

2He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside quiet waters.

3He restores my soul;
He guides me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.

4Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

5You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You have anointed my head with oil;
My cup overflows.

6Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
 
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David believed he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever. IMO, just like when we die now, they (their souls) would of went to Gods House- not to some compartment in the earth, the city that has foundations that Abraham looked for. They were covered by Jesus' blood, just like all who will ever believe. Jesus is the God of the living, not the dead or those "asleep". Abraham saw Jesus day and rejoiced. So he is not sleeping. ;)

Paradise is in the garden of God (Rev 2:7) where Jesus and the thief on the cross went, in the Heavenly city of God-where the tree of life is. Jesus is adding on rooms to the Fathers House for us now, and will come again for us one day!

We have a more complete picture of life after death from the NT. All the rest is mans tradition trying to explain what happens when we or they died. Listen to the word, and dig out the truth. :oldthumbsup:

51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 52The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ 53“Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

9When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

A Psalm of David.

1The LORD is my shepherd,
I shall not want.

2He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside quiet waters.

3He restores my soul;
He guides me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.

4Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

5You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You have anointed my head with oil;
My cup overflows.

6Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.










That's a lot of words for me to read and understand. :confused:
 
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