Luke 17:26-37 taken where?

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Some are set in thousand years day and one at night as well but those details are only part of the examples not the actuality of the event that happens when Christ returns. The ones taken will be taken somewhere by Christ and the rest are left to their fate.
Go take another look at Matthew 24:40-42, same type language...two women grinding, two in the field. BUT, there is no follow up verse of anyone taken to where the eagles are gathered.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

What I am trying to impress up on you is......

Luke 17:26-37 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation. (the ones taken, will be killed, where the eagles are gathered)

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation. (where the carcase is, there be eagles gathered together, in verse 28)

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians, the church, who escape going through the great tribulation, via the rapture. (the one taken are in the rapture, not to where the eagles are gathered, but to heaven. There are no eagles in that set of verses)
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Go take another look at Matthew 24:40-42, same type language...two women grinding, two in the field. BUT, there is no follow up verse of anyone taken to where the eagles are gathered.

That doesn't cancel out what is found in Luke. Armageddon is where the one taken is taken to and no surprise that on the day of the second coming people will be taken up to meet Christ and he will take them and his whole army to Armageddon where birds will eat the dead.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
That doesn't cancel out what is found in Luke. Armageddon is where the one taken is taken to and no surprise that on the day of the second coming people will be taken up to meet Christ and he will take them and his whole army to Armageddon where birds will eat the dead.
Matthew 24:31-51 (including 40-42) is not canceling out what is in Luke.

It is a different message to a different group of people in Matthew 24:31-51 than is to the people in Luke 17:26-37.
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Matthew 24:31-51 (including 40-42) is not canceling out what is in Luke.

It is a different message to a different group of people in Matthew 24:31-51 than is to the people in Luke 17:26-37.


He was talking to the same people in both.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Armageddon is where the one taken is taken to and no surprise that on the day of the second coming people will be taken up to meet Christ and he will take them and his whole army to Armageddon where birds will eat the dead.
Armageddon has nothing to do with the ones take in Luke 17. The ones taken are at rest, women grinding, men working in the field.

Are you post-trib? I had to go look at my thread to check. Didn't see your name in the opening post. I invite you to make a post in that thread to add your name to the list, so everyone can be familiar with your fundamental positions.

Here's the link...

Where do you fit ?
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
He was talking to the same people in both.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Can you find anything about eagles gathered together in Matthew 24:32-51?
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Armageddon has nothing to do with the ones take in Luke 17. The ones taken are at rest, women grinding, men working in the field.

He gives examples of everyday life but they asked where the one taken was taken to and his response matches the events at Armageddon and Armageddon happens the same day that he spoke about regarding the one taken and left.

Are you post-trib? I had to go look at my thread to check. Didn't see your name in the opening post. I invite you to make a post in that thread to add your name to the list, so everyone can be familiar with your fundamental positions.

Where do you fit ?

Post Trib/Pre-mil
 
Upvote 0

ewq1938

I love you three.
Christian Forums Staff
Administrator
Supporter
Nov 5, 2011
44,413
6,797
✟915,391.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
Can you find anything about eagles gathered together in Matthew 24:32-51?

No, it's in verse 28. It does not appear a second time in verses 32-51.

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
No, it's in verse 28. It does not appear a second time in verses 32-51.

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
That's what I am saying as well. Because Matthew 24:15-31 is a message for Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation.

Differently, Matthew 24:32-51 is a message for Christians, the church. To escape going through the great tribulation via the rapture. The message is all about watching being aware that the rapture could take place anytime. And to be living a Christian life.

____________________________________________________

Luke 17:26-37 is like Matthew 24:15-31 - a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation. The message is, if you are Jew, and find yourself in that position, living in Judaea, flee to the mountains when the abomination of desolation is setup. Otherwise, you are likely to be taken and end up been killed, if you don't flee to the mountains right away.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
He gives examples of everyday life but they asked where the one taken was taken to and his response matches the events at Armageddon and Armageddon happens the same day that he spoke about regarding the one taken and left.



Post Trib/Pre-mil
okay, I added your name under Post Trib and Pre-mil. Thanks for your participation.

It is a big help to others to know where we each stand on our fundamental positions.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
He gives examples of everyday life but they asked where the one taken was taken to and his response matches the events at Armageddon and Armageddon happens the same day that he spoke about regarding the one taken and left.



Post Trib/Pre-mil
The reason I guessed that your were post-trib, it appeared to me that you are trying to work them taken in Luke 17:26-37, into the post-trib scenario, by referring to Armageddon. The problem is the rapture is not in Luke 17:26-37.
 
Upvote 0

TribulationSigns

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Dec 19, 2017
3,485
1,045
Colorado
✟414,458.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
Eagles gathering to eat the dead bodies of salmon is a common occurrence in Alaska, for example.

1.jpg


The book of Revelation is replete with imagery, symbols, and monikers, most of which refer to or are derived from Old Testament examples.

No one is going to understand the cryptic language of Revelation except those to whom it is given to understand. I'm sure that you know that you can talk to people until you are blue in the face concerning the meaning of the imagery and language of book of Revelation, and unless God opens their eyes, they will have their own private interpretations or claim no one knows what it means.

The "natural/carnal" inclination is to see the stars, the moon, and the sun as physical objects in heaven. And that's how most "professing" Christians read them throughout the Bible. As physical stars falling, as the literal moon turning blood red, as physical plagues, etc. But the revelation is that these are merely symbols, and those who will understand this are those who have the mind of Christ to discern in spirit and truth. Those who don't see the stars as physical stars, candlesticks as physical candlesticks, the Dragon as aa physical Dragon, Babylon as Physical Babylon, the wars, famine, pestilence as physical, physical birds eating flesh, or Israel as the physical nation in the middle east, will know these truths because they are spiritually discerned. The Apocalypse or Revelation of what is and is to come is made known to God's chosen few. Which is why it is written in this cryptic, parabolic, enigmatic form. All are not meant to understand, only those whom the scales have been removed from their eyes. ...Spiritually Speaking.

Matthew 13:10-11
  • "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
  • He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
It might just as well be said that to you it is given to know the parabolic language of Revelation, but to them it is not given to know. Same principle. Thus by the word of God you have your answer why this is a secretive or cryptic undiscernible mystery to them (the unsaved) and to us (regenerated by the Spirit) it is given of God to know the truth of it. Revelation is for us who can discern the truth of it. God never meant for it to be understood by all, but by His election.

So no, God is not talking about literal birds eating literal flesh in the book of Revelation. It is symbolically. Think... The sword coming out of Christ's mouth...is it literal? Or it symbolically means it is His Word that judges people? Either you are natural/carnal to believe it is a literal sword, or understood it spiritually discerned. That is the question.
 
Upvote 0

TribulationSigns

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Dec 19, 2017
3,485
1,045
Colorado
✟414,458.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
That doesn't cancel out what is found in Luke. Armageddon is where the one taken is taken to and no surprise that on the day of the second coming people will be taken up to meet Christ and he will take them and his whole army to Armageddon where birds will eat the dead.

Of course, God is not talking about two women working at a mill or two men sleeping in a bed. God saw them as HIs people working in his congregation. Both Elect and unsaved professed Christians working together in His Kingdom. One is taken (coming out of unfaithful church) the other stays to be deceived. This happens during the Great Tribulation where the church has apostasy and become desolate and God's Elect came out of her to avoid her judgment and prophesied about it. Where to? ... to gather together over the dead body.

But of course, you will and see this truth because you are looking at wrong Israel, the nation in the Middle East thinking there will be physical war or Second COming where all birds are eating the flesh of men on Earth.
 
Upvote 0

eleos1954

God is Love
Supporter
Nov 14, 2017
9,696
5,613
Utah
✟713,367.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.


34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

(Corresponds to Matthew 24:28. during the great tribulation.)

The ones taken and ones left - is not the rapture in Luke 17, but them taken to be forced to bow to the statue image of the beast or be killed. When the Jews see that statue image on the temple mount grounds, they need to flee to the mountains right away.



Differently, the ones taken in Matthew 24:40-41, the ones taken are taken in the rapture.



Luke 17:26-37 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians, the church, who escape going through the great tribulation, via the rapture.

All go through the great tribulation ... but it will be cut short

Matthew 24:22

21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect (believers), those days will be shortened.

Luke 17:26-37 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews, Israel, who will go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians, the church, who escape going through the great tribulation, via the rapture.

Totally BOGUS interpretation.

When the Lord returns the first resurrection happens.

1 Thessalonians 4

The Return of the Lord

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:52

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed (same as above) — 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JulieB67
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dkh587

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 6, 2014
3,049
1,770
Southeast
✟552,407.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
But in Luke 17 the ones taken, their bodies is where the eagles are gathered. Eagles gather to feast on dead bodies.

The ones taken in Luke 17 are not taken in the rapture. But are taken and will die.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.


No left where, but taken where the eagles be gathered together.
Great catch - the ones taken are dead, just as the prophets foretold of the wicked.
 
Upvote 0

Douggg

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist
May 28, 2009
28,683
3,404
Non-dispensationalist
✟356,689.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Great catch - the ones taken are dead, just as the prophets foretold of the wicked.
The text doesn't indicate that they are the wicked. Just the opposite. Jesus is telling them how to save their lives. More clear in the parallel in Matthew 24:15-31, where Jesus tells them to flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation set up in the holy place.

btw, I have a thread "Where do you fit" here's the link.... Where do you fit ?

Read the opening post, in the thread, and if you want to me to list your name below your fundamental beliefs I will. It helps everyone else to know other posters fundamental positions - in the discussions with one another.

I often check back to that opening post when I am in a discussion with someone to know where the other person is coming from.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

JulieB67

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2020
1,572
726
56
Ohio US
✟147,750.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are all the same events, written by 3 different people. All inspired, but when you have 3 different people writing something, they'll have their own way of describing the events, etc. They are the same but told in a different way in some aspects if that makes sense. But all compliment each other. And in fact, with all 3, you get a complete picture of what Christ laid out.
 
Upvote 0