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Our God is the great covenant God, He who rejoices in making and keeping His promises, who goes so far as to giving His Word made flesh in the form of Jesus Christ, the covenant of salvation for all who believe, sealed in holy blood at Calvary. That His word is held perfect trustworthy and true is an axiom of God's holy name and the bedrock of our faith.

A search on the great Biblical covenants usually yields up five to eight divine promises which are generally considered to be covenantal. This chart contains some detail about 'the five', and, while some might not agree with certain details, generally it is uncontroversial teaching.

https://www.webtruth.org/wp-content...ovenant-Programme-M-Penfold-2017-Webtruth.jpg

Apart from the Noahic, Adamic, Mosaic, Davidic and Messianic covenant, sometimes the Edenic, Adamic and Land covenants are also included.

All these covenants are the pillars of God's plan for humanity and creation, and from one to the next reveal a great Christological, Christotelic development, ie the progressive revelation of the steps in how God leads the world back from sin and death into love and life.

We see this represented in Ezekiel as a river of life, which flows from the temple, starting as a trickle and progressively swelling to a tumult before it pours out into the Dead Sea, giving life to all things therein. (Ez 47:1-10)

So we come to what I contend is the 'forgotten covenant', the promise first made by God to Cyrus in Isaiah 45:23:

I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

God only rarely puts forth a declaration of His intention by way of an oath. Indeed, He does not even do so for some of the 5 main covenants. But a divine oath, as confirmed in Hebrews 6:13, is the highest expression of the divine will.

We might overlook the significance of the Koreshic Covenant if it were not reiterated by Paul in Romans 14:11 and Philippians 2:10. Even then, we might consider that God is not really serious about the universality of this promise.

However, when we arrive at Revelation 15:4, we read:

Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED.


And then we see in the great renovation:

The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. (Revelation 21:24)

On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Revelation 22:2)

And then we recall the part of the Abrahamic Covenant wherein God promises "...and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you." (Genesis 12:3b)

And John 3:17:

For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

And we see that the river, which began as a trickle with Abraham gradually gaining momentum through Moses, David and Cyrus, and swelling into a river with the advent of Christ, until finally it consummates in the eschaton with the delivery of the promise of universal salvation, bringing all the dead to life in Christ, the alpha and the omega.

So, does Isaiah 45:23 have the force and effect of a divine covenant? If not, why not?
 

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So, does Isaiah 45:23 have the force and effect of a divine covenant? If not, why not?
"'I have sworn by Myself;
. The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
. And shall not return,
. That to Me every knee shall bow,
. Every tongue shall take an oath.'"

. . . . . . . . . .(Isaiah 45:23)

In the New Covenant we have >

"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow" "and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." This is in Philippians 2:10-11.

So, this is a match, I would say, with Isaiah 45:23. And this is a New Covenant thing. So, I would say Isaiah 45:23 helps to bring out something of our New Covenant with Jesus.

But Isaiah 45:23 alone can be taken to mean God merely wants to have people who will bow to Him. Ones can say this is being bossy and egocentric and narcissistic.

But in our New Covenant we have more than bowing our knees to Jesus. We have submission within ourselves to God and how He personally rules us in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

And this is so good for us, among other things because God is almighty and this peace is almighty, then, to guard us from demonic things in our hearts and minds >

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Philippians 4:6-7)

So, I would say Isaiah 45:23 has to do with our covenant with Jesus, but there is a lot more . . . not only that we will bow and confess to God's glory. But also we will be personally sharing with Him in us, in His own peace.
 
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So, I would say Isaiah 45:23 has to do with our covenant with Jesus, but there is a lot more . . . not only that we will bow and confess to God's glory. But also we will be personally sharing with Him in us, in His own peace.

So Isaiah 45:22 says:

Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.


So is God promising Cyrus in that passage that the whole world will be saved (just as He promised Abraham all nations would be blessed through him, and just as He sent Jesus to save the world)?

But Isaiah 45:23 alone can be taken to mean God merely wants to have people who will bow to Him. Ones can say this is being bossy and egocentric and narcissistic.

God is asserting the sovereignty of His divine will in the clearest terms, is He not - despite whether ppl might think this is 'bossy and egocentric and narcissistic'? Is God under an obligation to conform to those subjective human standards?
 
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So Isaiah 45:22 says:

Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.


So is God promising Cyrus in that passage that the whole world will be saved (just as He promised Abraham all nations would be blessed through him, and just as He sent Jesus to save the world)?
Here He does not directly say all will be saved. But He does call to all. His word goes out, yes, and accomplishes what He pleases > Isaiah 55:11; but we clearly can see ones do not obey this. Jesus called ones who did not come; He had Judas with Him, all along; but His word to Judas did not result in Judas obeying Him, but He says Judas was "the son of perdition" who was "lost" > John 17:12. But He does call to "all", indeed > Matthew 11:28-30. But the blessing of His word has gone out and is doing all which God means.

Yes, God says "all". And He is "not willing that any should perish" (in 2 Peter 3:9). But ones are now perishing. So, I see how this is meant to show God's disposition, not a guarantee of how all will not perish, but showing how He is not pleased with wrong people suffering and dying and spending eternity away from Him. It shows He is not gloating over ones who are wrong. This is for us, so we love any and all people. We are directed to obey this example, by loving like Jesus >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, now I see how "all" and "not willing" is revelation of how God is, in love, not an indication of what will happen to those who refuse Jesus.

This is my short answer to what you might be asking. Below is more detail if you wish to spend the time >

And yes He promised that all nations will be blessed through Abraham. But not all nations have been blessed as well as they could be, but ones have rebelled against how God is blessing them and badly used how He has blessed them, even using certain blessings to their own hurt!!

And yes Jesus came to save the world. But not all have benefited like they could. But I do understand that every person is blessed in some way, through Jesus on the cross. At least a wrong person is resisted by God > James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5 < which is for the person's own good.

And we have 1 Timothy 4:10 >

"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

I note how our Apostle Paul says "especially" for saved people. So, for me personally, here is a scripture which indicates that though God is willing for all to be saved, people disobey this and so they miss out . . . even though, yes, Jesus died for "all", and Jesus is the propitiation for "the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

His propitiation helps to get people blessed, somehow, even if not with salvation. And so we do well to join with Jesus on Calvary, by having hope for any and all people > though our loving and blessing them in prayer will have different results for different people. Each will be blessed, somehow, because God does not have us labor and pray in vain (1 Corinthians 15:58).

But Jesus Himself told certain evil people that they would die in their sins > John 8:24.

And Romans 9:21 indicates, to me, how our Father has vessels for different purposes . . . eternal purposes > therefore, vessels for honor will be for eternity.

And vessels for dishonor will have an eternal purpose > but for what??

There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," we have in Ephesians 2:2. This horrible spirit is in people who refuse Jesus and how Jesus has us loving in submission to God (Colossians 3:!5). There are human vessels for carrying Satan's spirit to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone . . . God's place for storing stuff like unforgiveness, dominating and dictatorial drives for selfish pleasure, frustration, nasty reacting anger and wrath, hate, and other chaotic and anti-peace things. Such stuff will not go there temporarily, and vessels will take them there; because God is orderly, He has even evil in organized management.

And now is our time to grow in Jesus so we are conformed to His image on the day of judgment. We are growing as His body, "now" (2 Corinthians 6:2), helping one another. So, our correction is "now" > Hebrews 12:4-14 < God's true and deep correction in us is major in how we His children are being blessed "now"; so we do well to actively seek our Father for His correction so we become and love like Jesus.

There are people who argue that "all" means any and all humans ever will be saved. But if they used a literal approach to how to interpret "now" . . . there would a slight contradiction, here, indeed, since all are not now already saved. Indeed, one can produce quite a contradiction, not in what God means, though, but in how one is interpreting. Then, after you have created your contradiction, now you can claim you have found a contradiction in God's word. But God knows what He means by what He says, now matter how humans can make it seem like we can't understand His word. His word "shall" do all which He knows He means by His word > Isaiah 55:11.

And my opinion at this point is that "all" and "now" mean what is going on in the Holy Spirit . . . not necessarily in the lives of humans. It is an expression of how God is all-loving, though ones are refusing.
 
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Contrary to what UR-its say, scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomologeō occurs eleven times in the NT, in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back)”etc.
In Philippians 2:11exomologeō is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or potentiality. The action may or may not happen. Every knee should bow not “will bow.”

Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
…..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
…..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]
After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22-24
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.…
24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
The enemies of Jesus will become His footstool as the enemies of Joshua did and nowhere is it written that those enemies will somehow, sometime be filled with love for God.
 
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But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

Reading along with what you had to say @Der Alte. This was something that seemed to me that needed addressed the most for some reason. Because I do not believe in a Forceful God.

(Unless you believe that making all the enemies of God are being forced because that is what God wills.)

Which is fine, but I don't adhere to that type of thinking myself.

For you using Revelation 21:8, my use would be for the next chapter over.

  • Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.

  • 15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
@Der Alte, My teaching from what has been taught to me is that all people at their death go to God after passing away, and receive a spiritual body, especially those who are believers, believers will end up in the Heavenly Jerusalem with God and the Lamb spoken about.

However the spirit of a non-believer what ever is there will go to God as well, how ever due to their unbelief, they will be placed outside of the city because they still desire nothing to do with God.

The Heavenly Jerusalem has gates that lead outside of the city, because outside stands the grand amount of people that have yet to enter in to the Light or perhaps chosen to go towards the Light. (You could even say into the Fire because of God being fire, and of course He is love too.)

@Der Alte I believe that if all shall confess to the Glory of God, that it will be their choice. They will make the choice however long it takes them to figure it out on their own time they will realize all the things they did and realize they needed a savior, thus all eventually come to realization.

God's fire burns down all sin in man, especially in a spiritual sense because no one with sin can dwell in the presence of God.

This is why believers who place their faith in Yeshua, who paid for their sins should not have any trouble understanding they are going to eventually pass away after their life here on earth, going on-ward to God and will receive a spiritual body that is given by God and that is pleasing to Him.

God through his great tolerant, loving, patient, mercy, forgiveness, long-suffering towards men. Made it possible for all to come to Him in their own time, of freedom, and choice.
 
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Reading along with what you had to say @Der Alte. This was something that seemed to me that needed addressed the most for some reason. Because I do not believe in a Forceful God.
(Unless you believe that making all the enemies of God are being forced because that is what God wills.)
Which is fine, but I don't adhere to that type of thinking myself.
For you using Revelation 21:8, my use would be for the next chapter over.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.
15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
@Der Alte, My teaching from what has been taught to me is that all people at their death go to God after passing away, and receive a spiritual body, especially those who are believers, believers will end up in the Heavenly Jerusalem with God and the Lamb spoken about.
However the spirit of a non-believer what ever is there will go to God as well, how ever due to their unbelief, they will be placed outside of the city because they still desire nothing to do with God.
The Heavenly Jerusalem has gates that lead outside of the city, because outside stands the grand amount of people that have yet to enter in to the Light or perhaps chosen to go towards the Light. (You could even say into the Fire because of God being fire, and of course He is love too.)
@Der Alte I believe that if all shall confess to the Glory of God, that it will be their choice. They will make the choice however long it takes them to figure it out on their own time they will realize all the things they did and realize they needed a savior, thus all eventually come to realization.
God's fire burns down all sin in man, especially in a spiritual sense because no one with sin can dwell in the presence of God.
This is why believers who place their faith in Yeshua, who paid for their sins should not have any trouble understanding they are going to eventually pass away after their life here on earth, going on-ward to God and will receive a spiritual body that is given by God and that is pleasing to Him.
God through his great tolerant, loving, patient, mercy, forgiveness, long-suffering towards men. Made it possible for all to come to Him in their own time, of freedom, and choice.
Those are indeed noble sentiments but I have read the entire Bible not just the "God through his great tolerant, loving, patient, mercy, forgiveness, long-suffering towards men." etc. verses.
I quoted scripture I did not add anything or delete anything. It is most unfortunate that some folks don't like to read or ignore the back of the book.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:4 says “there shall be no more death” in vs. 5 Jesus said “Behold I make all things new.” “No more death” but 3 verses later Rev 21:8 says 8 groups “shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” If there is “no more death” after vs. 4 then those thrown into the lake of fire in vs. 8 do not die although it is called the “second death.”.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
There is no mention of salvation after vs. 14
Revelation 22:15
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Two more verses then "The End" no more salvation.
 
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And my opinion at this point is that "all" and "now" mean what is going on in the Holy Spirit . . . not necessarily in the lives of humans. It is an expression of how God is all-loving, though ones are refusing.

So your view is that the Koreshic Covenant (as I like to call it) is not really a promise that God will save all mankind, but rather a promise that all will have the opportunity to be saved, if they turn to God?

May I suggest that's not the plain sense of the text or the context. It clearly reads that God is calling the whole world to Him in verse 22, and then swearing that all will indeed accept Him in verse 23. To water it down only suggests a lack of faith, and I do get that, looking at the state of the world.

Nonetheless, are we not called to have faith in the sovereignty of God and His divine will? Does Rev 15:4 not validate that all mankind do ultimately accept God in reverence and awe? Does this not accord with the promises to Abraham and the mission of Christ? Or is the will of our God to restore all creation frustrated by the blindness of fallen man? Do sin, death and the devil win in the end, and Jesus manage to pluck only a remnant from the fire?

My faith is a simple one, just that God promises to save the world, as revealed by Christ especially in his conquest of death at the cross and resurrection. The power of God's love is such that there are no obstacles He cannot overcome to save creation, no matter how corrupt - in fact, He delights in saving the chief sinners.

For God has bound up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all. (Rom 11:32).

And the limits of divine mercy?

O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. (Ps 136:1)
 
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Nonetheless, are we not called to have faith in the sovereignty of God and His divine will? Does Rev 15:4 not validate that all mankind do ultimately accept God in reverence and awe?
God is sovereign > Romans 9:21.

Let's see what Revelation 15:4 says >

Yes, this says "all nations" will worship before the LORD.

And our Apostle Paul says ones against Jesus "shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and the glory of His power," in 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

Plus, Revelation 20:7-14 shows that Satan's evil ones will not be among the ones who worship; they will be removed from their nations, and go in the lake of fire and brimstone, with Satan. And the ones of the first resurrection will remain in the nations worshiping God.

Because God is sovereign, He is able to save whomever He saves, in this life. After people die, they reap according to all they have sown.

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

So, whatsoever we sow now, this we will reap so
much more, in each one's resurrection. And fire will bring out how each of us really is. We in Christ will be sweetly pleasing to God; while Satanic people will smell horrible and be in torment in the same fire which makes us blessed.

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

Demons in the presence of Jesus were tormented, because of their corrupt character. Ones corrupt are now tormented about Jesus; they will reap so much more if they do not repent and submit to our Father's correction in this life > Hebrews 12:4-14 < the time is now.

But yes there are people who do not have faith that God is able
"now" (2 Corinthians 6:2). So, ones have doctrines of procrastination to after people die. But "now" is the time for people to die (Colossians 3:3), that ones may be made alive in Christ.
 
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So your view is that the Koreshic Covenant (as I like to call it) is not really a promise that God will save all mankind, but rather a promise that all will have the opportunity to be saved, if they turn to God?

May I suggest that's not the plain sense of the text or the context. It clearly reads that God is calling the whole world to Him in verse 22, and then swearing that all will indeed accept Him in verse 23. To water it down only suggests a lack of faith, and I do get that, looking at the state of the world.
Total heterodox nonsense! In Isa 45:22-23 God does NOT "swear[] that all will indeed accept Him."
Isaiah 45:22-23
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Here is Isa 45:23 please show us where God is "swearing that all will indeed accept Him?"

Nonetheless, are we not called to have faith in the sovereignty of God and His divine will? Does Rev 15:4 not validate that all mankind do ultimately accept God in reverence and awe? Does this not accord with the promises to Abraham and the mission of Christ? Or is the will of our God to restore all creation frustrated by the blindness of fallen man? Do sin, death and the devil win in the end, and Jesus manage to pluck only a remnant from the fire?
No Rev 15:4 does not validate that "all mankind do ultimately accept God in reverence and awe."
Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

There are no nations in the grave/hell/lake of fire only dust and bones in most cases. Rev 15:4 can only refer to the nations that still exist at that day.

My faith is a simple one, just that God promises to save the world, as revealed by Christ especially in his conquest of death at the cross and resurrection. The power of God's love is such that there are no obstacles He cannot overcome to save creation, no matter how corrupt - in fact, He delights in saving the chief sinners.
For God has bound up all in disobedience, that He may show mercy to all. (Rom 11:32).
Another verse quoted out-of-context. Context is a foreign concept for UR-ites if a verse can be made to seem to support UR doctrine regardless of what it actually says.
The Greek word ελεηση/eleésé translated "may show mercy" Rom 11:32 is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or pontentiality. The action may or may not occur.

If Paul had intended to say that God “shall [absolutely] show mercy to all” he would have used the future active indicative as he did in Romans 9:15

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy [ελεησω /eleésō] on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
In Rom 9:18 Paul tells us that God has mercy on some and some he does not have mercy but hardens.
Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

 
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God is sovereign > Romans 9:21.

Let's see what Revelation 15:4 says >

Yes, this says "all nations" will worship before the LORD.

And our Apostle Paul says ones against Jesus "shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and the glory of His power," in 2 Thessalonians 1:9.

Plus, Revelation 20:7-14 shows that Satan's evil ones will not be among the ones who worship; they will be removed from their nations, and go in the lake of fire and brimstone, with Satan. And the ones of the first resurrection will remain in the nations worshiping God.

Because God is sovereign, He is able to save whomever He saves, in this life. After people die, they reap according to all they have sown.

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

So, whatsoever we sow now, this we will reap so
much more, in each one's resurrection. And fire will bring out how each of us really is. We in Christ will be sweetly pleasing to God; while Satanic people will smell horrible and be in torment in the same fire which makes us blessed.

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

Demons in the presence of Jesus were tormented, because of their corrupt character. Ones corrupt are now tormented about Jesus; they will reap so much more if they do not repent and submit to our Father's correction in this life > Hebrews 12:4-14 < the time is now.

But yes there are people who do not have faith that God is able
"now" (2 Corinthians 6:2). So, ones have doctrines of procrastination to after people die. But "now" is the time for people to die (Colossians 3:3), that ones may be made alive in Christ.

I see, so are you saying that, in order to reconcile the universalism of the Koreshic Covenant in Isa 45:23 (including its reiteration in Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:10, and the revelation of its truth in Rev 15:4) with the variety of scriptures teaching destruction, you are prepared to compromise on the former?

Is it not possible to reconcile them in a way which allows for both? This could be achieved by the destruction of the old sinful man in the fire of God's presence, and the new man in Christ emerging repentant. There are many verses in scripture applying the concept of 'dying to self' as a prerequisite for 'living in Christ', are there not? The holy fire which consumes the dross and purifies the metals. The dead are raised, the blind see, the lame walk, the sick are healed, the deaf hear...these are the restorative miracles revealed in Christ.

So the sinners remain outside the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:8, 22:15) until they overcome, by washing their robes in the blood of the Lamb (Rev 22:14), made anew (Rev 21:6) have the right to enter through the Pearly Gates which stand ever-open (Rev 21:25).

Why do you believe that it to be unjust for reprobates get saved? Isn't that perfect justice - that those who were once far are brought near, that wolf lies down with lamb, that former enemies beat their swords into pruning hooks, and give it up in spirit and in truth for He who is like no other? Strike that pettiness from your heart my friend, for God's vengeance is so much higher than that.

I'm sorry, but I'm unwilling to compromise on God's absolute promises and the holy perfect results of the works of His mighty right hand, which is Salvation.
 
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I see, so are you saying that, in order to reconcile the universalism of the Koreshic Covenant in Isa 45:23 (including its reiteration in Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:10, and the revelation of its truth in Rev 15:4) with the variety of scriptures teaching destruction, you are prepared to compromise on the former?
Isaiah 45:23 > yes, I already quoted this after you referred to this. And our Apostle Paul says ones will be "punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord," as I already quoted, in 1 Thessalonians 1:9. And God's word says Jesus will judge, and He will separate the sheep from the goats. So, I would say Isaiah 45:23 in its correct interpretation fits with these other scriptures. God can mean all who obey, when He says all. And God's word says "now".

Why do you believe that it to be unjust for reprobates get saved?
It is just, that Jesus saves sinners.

But our Father > our Potter > Romans 9:21 has vessels for honor and for dishonor. There is His purpose for each vessel.

Satan has already been in God's presence, but he did not change to becoming good. So, being in God's fiery presence does not necessarily guarantee someone will change to be like Jesus.

By the way > fire removing sin is not enough. We need to be transformed into the image of Jesus >

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

God is now changing people into the image of Jesus. We are growing in this, as Jesus Christ's body; we are not isolated individuals, but growing in connection with one another members of Jesus. The correction testified in Hebrews 12:4-14 changes . . . cures . . . our character now to conform to Christ's nature and way of loving.
 
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. . . So the sinners remain outside the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:8, 22:15) until they overcome, by washing their robes in the blood of the Lamb (Rev 22:14), made anew (Rev 21:6) have the right to enter through the Pearly Gates which stand ever-open (Rev 21:25). . . .
Heterodox religious groups have a penchant for quoting disparate verses out-of-context to buttress their false agendas as you have done here.
Revelation 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:15
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 21:25
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Neither Rev 21:8 nor 22:15 say anything about "sinners remain[ing] outside the New Jerusalem until they overcome, by washing their robes in the blood of the Lamb, made anew have the right to enter through the Pearly Gates which stand ever-open."
You alluded to Rev 21:25 but let us read 2 verses later.

Revelation 21:27
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
If everyone has washed their robes etc. in Rev 21:25 then there should not be any unjust, filthy, dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters, liars etc. left to enter the holy city but a chapter later John says let the unjust and the filthy remain as they are.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:15
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
If everyone righteous and unrighteous alike are saved in chap. 21 why are there still warnings about taking from or adding to the book in chap. 22?
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
 
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Saint Steven said:
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1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
The usual litany of out-of-context proof texts. Virtually everybody can be tortured to say almost anything.
When Jesus puts His feet on the necks of His enemies they will say anything to get mercy.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Contrary to what UR-its say, scripture does NOT say that all mankind will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomologeō occurs eleven times in the NT, in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back)”etc.
In Philippians 2:11exomologeō is an aorist, active, subjunctive. The subjunctive is the mood of possibility or potentiality. The action may or may not happen. Every knee should bow not “will bow.”

Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
…..Scripture says that every knee should bow but only believers will do so freely, willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies. How will the enemies of Jesus feel?
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, *(fn) Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
…..*(fn)"That day" =the day of judgment.]
After judgment day and “I never knew you: depart from me,” there are no more chances for reconciliation.
The word of God says every knee should bow. It must be important because it is repeated 3 times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
But the " the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic, idolaters, liars" etc.[Rev 21:8] everyone who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees, i.e. become Jesus’ footstool, and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded 7 times in scripture. The followers of UR ignore these verses.

1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34-35
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool..
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
What does “make your enemies your footstool mean?” Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Josh 10:5-15 five kings band together to make war against Israel and were defeated.

Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22-24
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.

24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
The enemies of Joshua were made his footstool then destroyed. They did not become faithful, obedient members of his army.
The enemies of Jesus become His footstool as the enemies of Joshua did and nowhere is it written that those enemies will be reconciled
 
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When Jesus puts His feet on the necks of His enemies they will say anything to get mercy.

Is this how Yeshua really is? If anything the only enemy that was crushed under Yeshuas feet is death, sin, satan, and sheo'l/hell.

My only concern is for people to just think for yourself, and don't go by my word or anyone else word. Look to the Lord Yeshua Christ what he did through his life on this earth, and God. Let the spirit guide you, it lives in you as believers.
 
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Is this how Yeshua really is? If anything the only enemy that was crushed under Yeshuas feet is death, sin, satan, and sheo'l/hell.
My only concern is for people to just think for yourself, and don't go by my word or anyone else word. Look to the Lord Yeshua Christ what he did through his life on this earth, and God. Let the spirit guide you, it lives in you as believers.
Thank you for this unsupported opinion.
In your list only one could be made a footstool for Jesus i.e. Satan the others cannot be made a footstool.

[1] Psalms 110:1
1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[2] Mark 12:36
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[3] Matthew 22:44
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[4] Luke 20:43
43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[5] Acts 2:35
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
[6] Hebrews 1:13
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[7] Hebrews 10:13
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
In every one of these vss. "enemies" is a masculine plural. If inanimate things were meant the noun for "enemies" would be neuter, plural.The enemies must be persons not inanimate things.
Please see the OT type in Joshua in previous post.

Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"That day," vs. 22, means "judgement day," After "judgment day" and "I never knew you" there is no chance for salvation. Jesus did not say "some day!"
When Jesus says "never" he means
<=NEVER=>.
 
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In this video, Santo Calarco explains how we get to Revelation 15:4 and its precedents in Revelation 14.
Yawn! Another UR-ite quoting the same out-of-context proof texts, making the same tired old arguments while ignoring all the verses which prove them wrong.
 
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