My `homework` on Daniel`s 4 beasts.

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It will be the next phase of the fourth beast! The fourth beast started with Rome but continues to this day!

Dan 7: 23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Rome never conquered the whole world or even the whole known world or even the whole "civilized world" so this is yet to be!

Rome was the fourth World Ruler as indicated by the great Image and was judged the same as the others.

God gave the king of Babylon the first rulership and even though they did not cover the whole world God still said that all was subject to him, (Dan. 2: 38)

Note, the EU does not like to go to war. It is not the terrifying beastly kingdom of Dan. 7. It is quite clear that Islam fulfils that terrifying role.
 
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Note, the EU does not like to go to war. It is not the terrifying beastly kingdom of Dan. 7. It is quite clear that Islam fulfils that terrifying role.
Hi Mariyn, I think both WWI and WWII started in Europe. And Hitler was a terrifying dictator - who came to power by intrigue and got the chancellorship handed to him. I am not saying he is the beast. But some characteristics may be.
 
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Hi Mariyn, I think both WWI and WWII started in Europe. And Hitler was a terrifying dictator - who came to power by intrigue and got the chancellorship handed to him. I am not saying he is the beast. But some characteristics may be.

I agree. however the EU does not like going to war. However we know that Islam just needs a great leader to bring them together and they will be terrifying.
 
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The Lord established His rule in the believer`s heart however He has not as yet set up His kingdom rule through Israel as promised.

`Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.` (Dan. 7: 27)

Note the `under heaven.` For the Body of Christ will rule from the third heaven, above. And the Body of Christ revelation was not known before it was revealed to the Apostle Paul. It was never mentioned in the Old Testament.

The `saints` in v. 27 refer to Israel.

Daniel 2:44 refers to the Kingdom that God set up at Messiah's first coming in the days of the Roman Emperor Tiberius.

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27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Note the singular kingdom. It is the same kingdom that God set up in Daniel 2:44. It is given to the saints, the redeemed born again faithful obedient people of God from all nations, tribes, and tongues. (Matthew 12:28; Luke 8:1; Luke 9:2; Luke 12:32; Luke 17:20-21; John 3:3; Acts 8:12; Acts 19:8; Acts 28:23; Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; Colossians 1:13).

It is not given to Israel. Instead, it is taken from Israel and given to God's Holy Nation, His Church. (Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:9).

It is an indestructible, sovereign, conquering, eternal; kingdom. (Daniel 2:44; Daniel 9:27)
 
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I agree. however the EU does not like going to war. However we know that Islam just needs a great leader to bring them together and they will be terrifying.
Marilyn, if you were to say Islam is a religion prone to violence and persecution of its citizens even when at peace with it neighbors, and a curse upon humanity - I would agree. But Islam does not have the military power to exert its will on the rest of the world.

Islam has to be put in its end times context, as the reason behind the Gog/Magog event. Which Islam will never recover from that event.

Following Gog/Magog is the 7 years in Ezekiel 39. Islam not really a factor during those 7 years.

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It doesn't make sense for muslims to worship the beast, a man thought by the people of the world to have achieved God-hood, and the statue-image of him - basically an idol.

I think Islam will be rejected by it current followers after Gog/Magog, and that they will go either in the direction of Jesus or later buy into the beast religion of worshiping the beast and what will be his gospel.

A lot of the former muslims at the time of the beast may also be influenced by their hatred of the Jews and Israel. Islam to me is just a channel for that hatred.
 
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Marilyn, if you were to say Islam is a religion prone to violence and persecution of its citizens even when at peace with it neighbors, and a curse upon humanity - I would agree. But Islam does not have the military power to exert its will on the rest of the world.

Islam has to be put in its end times context, as the reason behind the Gog/Magog event. Which Islam will never recover from that event.

Following Gog/Magog is the 7 years in Ezekiel 39. Islam not really a factor during those 7 years.

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It doesn't make sense for muslims to worship the beast, a man thought by the people of the world to have achieved God-hood, and the statue-image of him - basically an idol.

I think Islam will be rejected by it current followers after Gog/Magog, and that they will go either in the direction of Jesus or later buy into the beast religion of worshiping the beast and what will be his gospel.

A lot of the former muslims at the time of the beast may also be influenced by their hatred of the Jews and Israel. Islam to me is just a channel for that hatred.

Douggg,

Remember that the A/C deceives the others. `Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper.`(Dan. 8: 25)

Also it is only Iran, Libya and Ethiopia that get dealt with along with the Russian Federation`s armies.
And that is all mainly the Shi-ites. So we have mostly the Sunni left.

3. Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (the old Assyria) This will be the A/C`s power base.
7. Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Yemen & Saudi Arabia.

= 10 kings that will form the Federation over the others.
 
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Daniel 2:44 refers to the Kingdom that God set up at Messiah's first coming in the days of the Roman Emperor Tiberius.

Daniel 9
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Note the singular kingdom. It is the same kingdom that God set up in Daniel 2:44. It is given to the saints, the redeemed born again faithful obedient people of God from all nations, tribes, and tongues. (Matthew 12:28; Luke 8:1; Luke 9:2; Luke 12:32; Luke 17:20-21; John 3:3; Acts 8:12; Acts 19:8; Acts 28:23; Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; Colossians 1:13).

It is not given to Israel. Instead, it is taken from Israel and given to God's Holy Nation, His Church. (Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:9).

It is an indestructible, sovereign, conquering, eternal; kingdom. (Daniel 2:44; Daniel 9:27)

The Body of Christ has a heavenly inheritance and NOT an earthly one.


Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)



 
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Douggg,

Remember that the A/C deceives the others. `Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper.`(Dan. 8: 25)

Also it is only Iran, Libya and Ethiopia that get dealt with along with the Russian Federation`s armies.
And that is all mainly the Shi-ites. So we have mostly the Sunni left.

3. Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (the old Assyria) This will be the A/C`s power base.
7. Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Yemen & Saudi Arabia.

= 10 kings that will form the Federation over the others.
Well there is some argument about who the nations are. I think Turkey has to be included.

Anyway, the 7 years follow Gog/Magog. So the armies of those muslim nations will all be destroyed before the 7 years begin. The person who becomes the Antichrist doesn't do so until after Gog/Magog.

The person who becomes the Antichrist comes from north and west of Israel in Daniel 8:9. Where does that put your muslim Antichrist theory ? I don't think it is going to work out, Marilyn.
 
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Yes, I've been translated.

And I'm not dead yet.
That is sorta the point of translation is to be taken into the eternal kingdom without dying. Is the kingdom physically on earth? Is it spiritually on earth? Is it where Christ is seated on the right hand of God?
 
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That is sorta the point of translation is to be taken into the eternal kingdom without dying. Is the kingdom physically on earth? Is it spiritually on earth? Is it where Christ is seated on the right hand of God?

"You have to physically die to enter the current kingdom."

Have you changed your mind?

Read the Scriptures in post 126.

They answer your questions.
 
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No, you are wrong about that. Saul and Samuel were anointed King of Israel by Samuel the prophet. And Solomon by Nathan the prophet. XXXX will be anointe the King of Israel, coming in his own name by the false prophet.

So just show that from Scripture, and sho wthat Israel will Accept his self appointed kingship and you win. Not opinion or some allegorical interpretation, but Scripture!

You are not understanding the mystery of the scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17:7.

The scarlet colored beast is Satan, who wants to exalt his throne, as Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12-14..

But like in revelation 17:8b, it is not talking about Satan, Lucifer, any longer in Isaiah 14:15-20, but about xxxx.

Only to those who believe God doesn't know how to follow the rules of grammar and context He instructed us to follow!

But when one re-interprets Scripture to fit an agenda, grammar and the clear thought of Scripture mean little.

Isaiah 14: 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

From 14-20 there is no break in thought, there is no introduction by a proper noun, personal pronoun or anything else that a new person is being spoken of!

Why should anyone accept your new rules of grammar instead of following the normal common sense grammar.
 
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Rome was the fourth World Ruler as indicated by the great Image and was judged the same as the others.

God gave the king of Babylon the first rulership and even though they did not cover the whole world God still said that all was subject to him, (Dan. 2: 38)

Note, the EU does not like to go to war. It is not the terrifying beastly kingdom of Dan. 7. It is quite clear that Islam fulfils that terrifying role.

The bible with its description of the fourth kingdom clearly shows that rome was simply the start of teh fourth kingdom which continues till this day!

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

These are the description of the fourth beast as declared in Gods Word. If you can show that all these things have come to pass by the time of the end of the Roman Empire, then I would agree with you!

But Jesus hasn't returned and we are not in possession of the kingdom- so the fourth beast is still ongoing!
 
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