Really? You think God is going to destroy *this*?

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I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go to such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.


 
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Judgment on the Whole Earth
Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the Lord will empty the earth and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the Lord has spoken this word.
4 The earth mourns and withers;
the world languishes and withers;
the highest people of the earth languish.
5 The earth lies defiled
under its inhabitants;

for they have transgressed the laws,
violated the statutes,
broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore a curse devours the earth,
and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt;
therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched,
and few men are left.
 
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I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.



There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth more beautiful than you can imagine. So yes, this present Earth will pass away.
 
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There will be a New Heaven and a New Earth more beautiful than you can imagine. So yes, this present Earth will pass away.
as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
1 Co 2:9.
 
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I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.
Notice the distinction "have done".

Humans imagine hundreds of destruction scenarios besides a global flood. In fact people deny God even changed and destroyed the world with the Flood in your Scripture reference.

GOD'S imagination goes to points we cannot even imagine. So saying God cannot destroy what He creates is just an imagination.
 
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I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.


Creation is awaiting its redemption, the same as we are.

Romans 8:18-23 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
 
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Creation is awaiting its redemption, the same as we are.

Romans 8:18-23 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

Yes, was talking about this on another forum. The earth will be changed and purified by fire, and the curse will be lifted. God will not annihilate the earth, otherwise lifting of the curse makes no sense, and He says they will last forever. Also the first world was "destroyed" by a flood, but we are still standing on it. Right? Creation was "very good", until sin entered the picture. It's wrong to think there will not be continuity.

Jesus' resurrection body was the same one laid in the tomb, but raised afresh and better than before. The new came from the seed of the old, so there was continuity, it was not made out of nothing.

35But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

1Praise the LORD!
Praise the LORD from the heavens;
Praise Him in the heights!

2Praise Him, all His angels;
Praise Him, all His hosts!

3Praise Him, sun and moon;
Praise Him, all stars of light!

4Praise Him, highest heavens,
And the waters that are above the heavens!

5Let them praise the name of the LORD,
For He commanded and they were created.

6He has also established them forever and ever;
He has made a decree which will not pass away.
 
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Jesus' resurrection body was the same one laid in the tomb, but raised afresh and better than before.
John 20:27 ~ Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
 
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Notice the distinction "have done".

Humans imagine hundreds of destruction scenarios besides a global flood. In fact people deny God even changed and destroyed the world with the Flood in your Scripture reference.

GOD'S imagination goes to points we cannot even imagine. So saying God cannot destroy what He creates is just an imagination.
So you believe a whole new material earth was created after the flood - while Noah, his family, and the animals were in the ark?

What about God's promise to never again curse the earth and destroy all living things again (God technically didn't kill *all* at that time....because Noah, his family, and the animals were preserved on the ark)?
 
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Creation is awaiting its redemption, the same as we are.

Romans 8:18-23 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Maybe I'm wrong....but I'm not waiting for my redemption. I believe God finished....completed the redemption process already. What you're noticing in Romans 8 is the transitional period between covenants....as Hebrews 8 says ("soon" was soon to the author of Hebrews ...not soon to us, this is in our past):

Hebrews 8:13 ~ When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

BTW....this is the Lexicon for Romans 8:23. The word interpreted as "body" is singular. That is the Body of Christ (the Church)....not the redemption of individuals.

Romans 8:23 Lexicon: And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
 
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So you believe a whole new material earth was created after the flood - while Noah, his family, and the animals were in the ark?

What about God's promise to never again curse the earth and destroy all living things again (God technically didn't kill *all* at thst time....because Noah, his family, and the animals were preserved on the ark).

Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

When Jesus returns He comes for the saved only,
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The saved are taken to be with Him for the 100 years and the earth has a 1000 year rest---sabbath.
Then it is remade. The fire cleanses the world.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying
 
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that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

When Jesus returns He comes for the saved only,
I don't see a distinction in that passage :scratch:
 
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I don't see a distinction in that passage :scratch:


Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

He won't destroy the earth by flood.

The verses after "When Jesus returns He comes for the saved only" are what explains that comment.


 
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Maybe I'm wrong....but I'm not waiting for my redemption. I believe God finished....completed the redemption process already. What you're noticing in Romans 8 is the transitional period between covenants....as Hebrews 8 says ("soon" was soon to the author of Hebrews ...not soon to us, this is in our past):

Hebrews 8:13 ~ When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

BTW....this is the Lexicon for Romans 8:23. The word interpreted as "body" is singular. That is the Body of Christ (the Church)....not the redemption of individuals.

Romans 8:23 Lexicon: And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

I disagree. The body (soma) can mean the church, but the context Paul was using was in living according to the spirit or flesh, and this was to individuals. We await the completion of adoption as sons. When will this happen? When our body is redeemed. The holy Spirit is only a down payment until our redemption is complete, this happens at the resurrection. Our adoption is not complete until then-according to the Scriptures.

12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

3In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

25“There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28“But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,
 
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I don't see a distinction in that passage :scratch:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

He won't destroy the earth by flood.

The verses after "When Jesus returns He comes for the saved only" are what explains that comment.

I was referring to a lack of distinction "between God and every living creature of all flesh". That doesn't seem to leave room for exclusion, to me.
 
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So you believe a whole new material earth was created after the flood - while Noah, his family, and the animals were in the ark?

What about God's promise to never again curse the earth and destroy all living things again (God technically didn't kill *all* at that time....because Noah, his family, and the animals were preserved on the ark).
The point is that God is unjust in destroying God's own creation?

No, there was not a new material existence. Are you saying after everything was under muddy water for 40 days, it was not physically changed?

God never said He would not curse or destroy again, that is like putting words into a posters post and flaming them. God said the earth would never be covered with water again. The next time it will be destroyed by fire.

God says, "Love not the world, don't get attached." 1 John 2:15,17

15 Do not love the world or the things of the world. If someone loves the world, then love for the Father is not in him;
17 And the world is passing away, along with its desires. But whoever does God’s will remains forever.
 
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I was referring to a lack of distinction "between God and every living creature of all flesh". That doesn't seem to leave room for exclusion, to me.


The covenant was with man all living things that He would not destroy by flood again.

Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

This will not be by flood but by fire.
 
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