The Lord's Day is Sunday.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 13, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Jesus said,

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matthew 12:40).

Now, if we are going to believe the words of Jesus here, then that means Jesus could only be three days and three nights in what one would consider the heart of the Earth.

Some think the heart of the Earth is the tomb, and others believe that the heart of the Earth is Jesus being in the realm of the dead known as Sheol. This is the place where we read about the story of Lazarus and the Rich man in Luke 16:19-31.

I hold to the view that Jesus went to Sheol, and He preached to the spirits in prison in torments, and He went to Abraham's bosom (paradise) where the thief on the cross next to him was at.

Anyways, if we are to accept a literal 3 days and 3 nights, this is 72 hours exactly. The only model that fits or works with this number is a Wednesday crucifixion with a Saturday resurrection. For the women who brought spices came early in the morning when it was dark on Sunday morning and the tomb was already empty. This means that Jesus had to have risen sometime before the women arrived and in between Saturday at 3:00 PM. No earlier than 3:00 PM because Jesus died at 3:00 PM on a Wednesday.

It is obvious you do not understand Greek or Hebrew. For if you did you would know that your timeline is false according to the scriptures. There is no need for 72 hrs. You consider it the sign? A dead man in a grave? Happens everyday. Are you saying Yeshua lied when He said in 3 days or on the 3rd day? There are numerous reasons He could not have resurrected on the Sabbath at 3 PM. You believe what you need to, I will stick to the truth and scriptures...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 13, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
Oh, so these Greeks, they are at a Jewish synagogue. Interesting, so that probably means that they weren't Pagans, and they weren't Christians. That would make them God-fearers. Gentiles sympathetic to Judaism who worshiped the God of Israel, but who had not yet made a formal conversion to Judaism.

So, yeah, there would absolutely be God-fearers and Jews at a synagogue. But that Jews gathered to worship at the synagogue on the Sabbath isn't exactly all that shocking, now is it.

-CryptoLutheran

Ger toshav

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 13, 2020

nolidad said:
Because that is when they gathered for worship! One follows the other. And that is when they collected their offerings as well! That doesn't demand it be the "Lords Day" Jewish believers in Israel worship on Saturdays, Muslim believers worship on Fridays.

If you want to call Sunday by a special name, you are free to do so and enjoy it in the Lord all you wish, just don't tell everyone else they ahve to call it that when the Lord nor the Apostles ever called it such!

money is not collected on Shabbat

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 13, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Here is what the Bible says.

“And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:7).

Here is what you want it to say.

“And upon the first day of the week, the disciples came together to break bread as a part of a farewell to Paul; So Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (Sabbath Influenced Version) (Important Note: No actual Bible translation like this exists; It is for demonstrative purposes only to show a false misinterpretation upon the text).

The 1st day of the week begins at Sabbath sundown (after the Sabbath is ended).

honey badger · Aug 13, 2020

Scott Husted said:
To throw it out there ...

God's love/rest (the day/seed) is beyond thought, but one could view it as the unending consecutive series of encounters in one's soul that they are led both into and out of, which build upon themselves.

The life long experience that are in the words "I will receive you unto myself" is a movement from glory/experience to glory/experience; a process (of time) where what you have experienced becomes as something normal to you; a cycle of seed time and harvest in relationship to the thoughts/will/emotions of the soul, until you become Lord of the harvest which is an internal truth of spirit and soul as much as it is the collective truth of Christ Jesus.

"All the words of this life" in one form is the eternal gospel preached from the foundation of the world, based upon and to divulge through experience a realtiy of a glory that was before the world was which defines rest.

Most people see in part which is not a I am higher than thou art statement. By seeking to make things more than they are we make them less than they are; like dismissing the haystack to look for a needle.

one can only marvel at how simple/singular ( hidden in plain sight ) His gospel is ...

Scott Husted · Aug 13, 2020

honey badger said:
one can only marvel at how simple/singular ( hidden in plain sight ) His gospel is ...

There is an unending abundance only found in this day ...

The more you abide in his word the more you understand on a personnel/relational level what it means to be in the spirit on the lords day, until it becomes a place you remain and like a pillar go no more out; it truly is the path of life that shines more and more unto the perfect day, where you no longer thirst, and eat only that which grows of itself.

parousia70 · Aug 13, 2020

BobRyan said:
And before going to that argument - what about Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who is the NEW Covenant made with according to Jer 31 and Hebrews 8:6-12?

The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

ViaCrucis · Aug 13, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Ger toshav

My understanding is that ger toshav don't observe Shabbat, to keep Shabbot one must convert. For the ger toshav they must abstain from idolatry and the like, but to observe Shabbot and partake of the feasts, he and all his male household members must be circumcised and joined to God as a citizen of Israel--as a Jew.

"If a stranger who dwells with you would offer the passover to the LORD, all his males must be circumcised; then he shall be admitted to offer it; he shall then be a citizen of the country. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it. There shall be one law for the citizen and for the stranger who dwells among you." - Exodus 12:48-49

-CryptoLutheran

Knee V · Aug 13, 2020

Those who are familiar with the historical Christian liturgies will recognize the Liturgy unfolding over the course of the book of Revelation.

John was celebrating the Liturgy on a Sunday morning, and the whole vision unfolds over the course of that Liturgy.

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
But they gathered on the FIRST day of the week for the Lord's supper according to
Acts of the Apostles 20:7 (Which is a Sunday). Well, that is if you want to be biblical.

Yes they did! Anyone is free to call it the Lords day if they wish, and anyone is free to not call it the Lords Day if they wish, that is the liberty we have found in Romans 14!

To me every day is the Lords day! to you Sunday stands higher than the rest! I am fine with that and will defend your right to do that everyday!! Just don't take something not mandated in the Word and make everyone think that way!

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

eleos1954 said:
The word Lord means master.

Strong's Greek: 2962. κύριος (kurios) -- lord, master

2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord).

He created it for mankind .... owns it .... and gave it to mankind to keep it Holy (set apart)

Isaiah 58:13

13If you turn your foot from breaking the Sabbath,
from doing as you please on My holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight,
and the LORD’s holy day honorable,
if you honor it by not going your own way
or seeking your own pleasure or speaking idle words,
14then you will delight yourself in the LORD,
and I will make you ride on the heights of the land
and feed you with the heritage of your father Jacob.”

Remember the Sabbath and KEEP it Holy.

Only God can make something Holy and He created the 7th day and made the 7th day Holy.

Genesis 2:3
English Standard Version
So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Berean Study Bible
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

Ok, is there a point here?

I know that God sanctified the 7th day and that for Israel He commanded them to keep the 7trh day from work. But other than that what is the point you are getting at??

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

Knee V said:
Those who are familiar with the historical Christian liturgies will recognize the Liturgy unfolding over the course of the book of Revelation.

John was celebrating the Liturgy on a Sunday morning, and the whole vision unfolds over the course of that Liturgy.

John was writing down a vision He was given, not going to church! There most likely was no church on Patmos where he was a prisoner.

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
money is not collected on Shabbat

that is why Paul said to teh Corinthians when they met of the first day of the week which is Sunday to take up offerings.

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

parousia70 said:
That's a big club, and we're all in it.

As a result of natural dispersion and diffusion over more than 3,000 years, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race.

Genetics and mathematics concur.

So does the contemporary Jewish community, who acknowledge and applaud the reality.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

I have had those cited by someone else and they all do not say we are all part Jewish! They speak of Jewish heritage in differing places but that is all!

YOu also forget historically, that despite the diaspora Jews generally speaking married Jews (except as got to the more modern age) . They were isolated and despised in most of the places they went throughout history as prophesied! So yes we can expect to find Jewish heritage in strange places, no they would not have intermingles to the extent needed to have the bulk of all humanity have Jewish blood!

We know of the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews and they encompass all these tribes your articles cited. But it is just tribes and not widespread expansion of the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

eleos1954 · Aug 13, 2020

nolidad said:
Ok, is there a point here?

I know that God sanctified the 7th day and that for Israel He commanded them to keep the 7trh day from work. But other than that what is the point you are getting at??

The point is .... He sanctified (set it apart from other days) as a day of rest and communion with Him ... and told us to remember to keep it that way.

This is affirmed by Jesus who is God and kept it Holy.

Who knows more about God than God?

Jesus is our example in all things.

1st Peter 2
21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps.

Jesus steps includes keeping the Sabbath. We look at His life and pattern ourselves after Him.

God sanctified the 7th day and that for Israel ...

didn't create the 7th day sabbath for Israel ... created it for mankind ... so Jesus himself says.

Mark 2:27
Berean Study Bible
Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man (mankind), not man for the Sabbath.

nolidad · Aug 13, 2020

parousia70 said:
That's a big club, and we're all in it.

As a result of natural dispersion and diffusion over more than 3,000 years, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race.

Genetics and mathematics concur.

So does the contemporary Jewish community, who acknowledge and applaud the reality.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

One of these articles makes its case by a mutated gene which can cause ovarian and breast cancer. It was known to be in Jewish communities, and now in spanish communities. They have no evidence other than this disease that the Spanish are Jewish! The disease could have been transmitted numerous ways. This is really bad science!

Knee V · Aug 13, 2020

nolidad said:
John was writing down a vision He was given, not going to church! There most likely was no church on Patmos where he was a prisoner.

Why not? He was alive for years, so he clearly had provisions. Those couldn't have included bread and wine and a few items for an alter? I see no reason to think that couldn't be the case.

buzuxi02 · Aug 13, 2020

BobRyan said:
Kuryaki is "Lord's" -- belonging to the Lord. Your suggestion makes it "I was in the Spirit on the Sunday day".. It is never used in the Bible as Sunday or as first day of the week.

belonging to the Lord

related to the Lord

Sorry but that's exactly what it says kyriaki hmera. Kyriaki is the feminine of Kurios. All days of the week in the Greek language are in the feminine except Σάββατο Which is in neuter. The word "day" is not built into the word of any day of the week in Greek.
See how the Lord's Day is written in the rest of the bible including OT Greek and see that Rev 1:10 has it written in the feminine as a specific day of the week. It's literally what greek Greek speakers call Sunday.

buzuxi02 · Aug 13, 2020

AmigodeJesus said:
κυριακη means "Lord", not "Sunday" unless the "Sun" (physical object of creation in the sky, Sol) is your Lord. The word "day" is not translatable from κυριακη either, as the koine Greek requires ημερα to be able to translate that.

I will quote you here, "It's illogical to even argue against it."

Kyriako is the masculine adjective of Kurios. Kyriaki is the feminine form from Kuria. Revelation 1:10 does NOT say "hmeran Kuriou" it says this:

ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ καὶ ἤκουσα φωνὴν ὀπίσω μου μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος 11.

Study the bolded phrase then come back to me

Yeshua HaDerekh · Aug 14, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
My understanding is that ger toshav don't observe Shabbat, to keep Shabbot one must convert. For the ger toshav they must abstain from idolatry and the like, but to observe Shabbot and partake of the feasts, he and all his male household members must be circumcised and joined to God as a citizen of Israel--as a Jew.

"If a stranger who dwells with you would offer the passover to the LORD, all his males must be circumcised; then he shall be admitted to offer it; he shall then be a citizen of the country. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it. There shall be one law for the citizen and for the stranger who dwells among you." - Exodus 12:48-49

-CryptoLutheran

At least the Noahide laws (as James reiterated). A full convert is a ger tzadik. However, according to Torah (Exodus 20:10) the Sabbath may be kept.

Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates

The Lord's Day is Sunday.

What day do you believe is the “Lord's Day” in Revelation 1:10?

Sunday

Saturday

Some other day of the week

It's not talking about a day of the week

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