THE SABBATH TRUTH!

LoveGodsWord · Aug 12, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, if the truth according to scriptures is Gods Word then Gods Word is Jesus Christ no longer Gods Word is in written form but in the form of a man who spoke to us on Gods behalf....therefore our Sabbath is found in Him which is the Word became flesh...

There is no scripture that says JESUS is a Sabbath. He is the Lord (Creator God) of the Sabbath *Mark 2:28 and he made the Sabbath rest for all mankind *Mark 2:27 as a memorial of creation *Exodus 20:8. Gods' Word (not mine) defines God's Sabbath and 4th commandment of the ten commandments as the "seventh day" of the week. EXODUS 20:10 [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God. According to the scriptures "the seventh day" of the week is God's Sabbath and 4th commandment of the ten commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Bob S · Aug 12, 2020

Do we find rest in Jesus or is that something you disagree with too?

The fourth commandment was given to Israel by God. It was a law of the Sinai covenant given to those who fled Egypt and their offspring as long as they obeyed the entire covenant. The covenant became null and void because the descendants of Israel continuously broke it. Show us where God reestablished the Sabbath as a covenant law.

guevaraj · Aug 12, 2020

Bob S said:
Show us where God reestablished the Sabbath as a covenant law.

Brother, Jesus did not "accomplished" the prophesy of Daniel that Israel expected from the messiah as the rock that hits the statue of Nebuchadnezzar.

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18 NIV)

Jesus is the rock that hits the statue of Nebuchadnezzar when Jesus returns. Putting Israel above all other nations on earth. Told was the Thyatira church what would happen when Jesus returns to those in need of further growth such as the part of Israel that hardens without accepting Jesus until the full number of gentiles "come in" to "all Israel", the part of Israel that will go to heaven when Jesus returns.

To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first… Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, except to hold on to what you have until I come.’ To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give that one the morning star. Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. (Revelation 2:18-29 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

pasifika · Aug 12, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no scripture that says JESUS is a Sabbath. He is the Lord (Creator God) of the Sabbath *Mark 2:28 and he made the Sabbath rest for all mankind *Mark 2:27 as a memorial of creation *Exodus 20:8. Gods' Word (not mine) defines God's Sabbath and 4th commandment of the ten commandments as the "seventh day" of the week. EXODUS 20:10 [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God. According to the scriptures "the seventh day" of the week is God's Sabbath and 4th commandment of the ten commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

If Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath then Only Him can give you that Rest...

Bob S · Aug 12, 2020

Hi Jorge, can't you see what Matt 5:18 is saying. If Jesus didn't accomplish the law, bring it to an end, then Jews are still under every jot of the law. They still have to abide by every letter of all the commands of the Sinai covenant. That doesn't take into account that Jesus is the final sacrifice. Jews would still be obligated to have the sacrificial system in place. You tell us when we accept Jesus as Savior we become spiritual Israelites and if Israelites we would be obligated to do every jot (command) of the law and that would include sacrifices. You don't advocate this nor do any of you that believe Jesus has not fulfilled the law. You cannot have it both ways brother, either Jesus fulfilled the law or not one iota from the Sinai covenant is aloud to go unheeded.

Start the Sabbath when you think it should start and end it when you think it should end. As for me I accept the fact that Jesus did come and fulfill the law, bring it to an end, so I am not concerned about when or how to observe a day or what I eat or should I pay or not pay a tithe of my crops and animals. Jesus has set me free from ritual laws. In fact the real truth is that Jesus never intended for Gentiles to have to observe laws that were given only to Israel. The laws given to Israel ended at Calvary. Read Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. Jesus did this at Calvary where He ratified the new covenant with His own blood.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 12, 2020

Bob S said:
Hi Jorge, can't you see what Matt 5:18 is saying. If Jesus didn't accomplish the law, bring it to an end, then Jews are still under every jot of the law. They still have to abide by every letter of all the commands of the Sinai covenant. That doesn't take into account that Jesus is the final sacrifice. Jews would still be obligated to have the sacrificial system in place. You tell us when we accept Jesus as Savior we become spiritual Israelites and if Israelites we would be obligated to do every jot (command) of the law and that would include sacrifices. You don't advocate this nor do any of you that believe Jesus has not fulfilled the law. You cannot have it both ways brother, either Jesus fulfilled the law or not one iota from the Sinai covenant is aloud to go unheeded.

Start the Sabbath when you think it should start and end it when you think it should end. As for me I accept the fact that Jesus did come and fulfill the law, bring it to an end, so I am not concerned about when or how to observe a day or what I eat or should I pay or not pay a tithe of my crops and animals. Jesus has set me free from ritual laws. In fact the real truth is that Jesus never intended for Gentiles to have to observe laws that were given only to Israel. The laws given to Israel ended at Calvary. Read Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. Jesus did this at Calvary where He ratified the new covenant with His own blood.

MATTHEW 5:17-19
[17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFILL. [18], FOR TRULY I SAY TO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE STROKE OR ONE PRONUNCIATION MARK SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED. [19], WHOEVER THEREFORE SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, HE SHALL BE CALLED THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Bob S · Aug 13, 2020

LGW, do you keep the feast days, new moon celebrations, how long are your sideburns, what color is your yarmulke? https://www.skullcap.com/productdet...phU-YZB-HhYxpnVgTBR7J7xv9DRQnidRoCZYIQAvD_BwE has very nice ones if you are in the market for one.

Can't you see what those verses are saying? You are quick to quote them, but you don't observe them. May I remind you that Jesus was referring to the law, not just the ten commandments. He would have singled out the ten if that was what He was intending to address.

Studyman · Aug 13, 2020

Bob S said:
LGW, do you keep the feast days, new moon celebrations, how long are your sideburns, what color is your yarmulke? https://www.skullcap.com/productdet...phU-YZB-HhYxpnVgTBR7J7xv9DRQnidRoCZYIQAvD_BwE has very nice ones if you are in the market for one.

Can't you see what those verses are saying? You are quick to quote them, but you don't observe them. May I remind you that Jesus was referring to the law, not just the ten commandments. He would have singled out the ten if that was what He was intending to address.

I have another question for you regarding your question to LGW.

1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Shall men reject or omit the Word of God, simply because you don't understand them?

Does God care about facial hair, fabric, or loose skin on a penis? Or sayeth HE these things for our Sake's? For our sake's no doubt it is written. At least according to the Holy Scriptures.

Religious men's lack of belief or understanding of God's Word, doesn't make God's Word, or HIS Spiritual meaning for them, void does it? It didn't for Paul.

Bob S · Aug 13, 2020

Studyman said:
I have another question for you regarding your question to LGW.

1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

I don't correlate my post with your scripture. Paul is writing that those who are out there harvesting souls should be paid by the members. What does that have to do with whether or not we are obligated to observe the laws of the Sinai covenant?

Shall men reject or omit the Word of God, simply because you don't understand them?

What does that question have to do with my post to LGW?

Does God care about facial hair, fabric, or loose skin on a penis? Or sayeth HE these things for our Sake's? For our sake's no doubt it is written. At least according to the Holy Scriptures.

Apparently God did care because He asked them to obey the commands. How about some scripture that explains Your thoughts.

Religious men's lack of belief or understanding of God's Word, doesn't make God's Word, or HIS Spiritual meaning for them, void does it? It didn't for Paul.

No, and Paul understood that the ritual laws given to Israel were not binding on the new church. Do you?

Studyman · Aug 13, 2020

Bob S said:
I don't correlate my post with your scripture. Paul is writing that those who are out there harvesting souls should be paid by the members. What does that have to do with whether or not we are obligated to observe the laws of the Sinai covenant?

The point is he relied on the Law and Prophets for his direction on how to live, and he taught this way to the Gentiles. Just as Jesus taught them to live, "By Every Word of God". I found it in sharp contrast to "many" religious men who preach we should simply reject these "jots and Titles". Paul certainly didn't teach this as he was still following the Direction of the Law and Prophets at least 14 years after Jesus ascended.

You are not "Obligated" to follow anything. Following God's Word in a "volunteer humility". I am simply pointing out the Scriptures which show how Paul felt about the Law and Prophets, and compared them to the religious teaching of this world. It isn't my fault they are two completely different gospels, but in all fairness, Jesus did spend a lot of time warning about religious men who "come in His Name", who teach deceptions about God. I am of a mind that we should bring all religious doctrines to the Light, so as to allow the Word's of the Christ to Judge them as Wrought of God or not, and not make judgments based on the dictates of our own mind.. Not a popular position I am finding out.

What does that question have to do with my post to LGW?

You know, you are just reluctant to actually engage. Instead of mocking God's Laws that you have been convinced were not written for your Sake, maybe you might consider Paul's words and find out why God had them written for you.

Or Not, I'm just pointing out Paul's teaching regarding these Laws.

Apparently God did care because He asked them to obey the commands. How about some scripture that explains Your thoughts.

Well I could ask you if the Flesh of Jesus you claim to have eaten was dark meat or white meat. That in essence, was what you asked LGW. It is fascinating that when God became a man, you believe His Word's are Spirit. But when He was the Word of God, you judge Him differently. That isn't right BS. And how is God going to show you?

You mean Scripture besides the Holy Scripture I posted, that you completely ignored, in which Paul is telling the Gentiles that God's Law, even those we might not understand at first, is written for our sake's no doubt?

Sure!

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Nothing here telling us to omit God's Laws from our religion. Just the opposite.

Then there is Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

What Gospel was preached to them, and to us? We know it included the command not to muzzle the Ox that treadeth out the Grain. Did Paul just pick this one and omit the rest as unworthy of his honor and respect? I think not. He studied them to find out why God created them, and what their purpose was for men.

No, and Paul understood that the ritual laws given to Israel were not binding on the new church. Do you?

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

God's Word doesn't bind itself to men, men "bind" themselves to God's Word.

Do I believe in the Christ's Feasts that HE had written for me? Of course I do. Why would I reject them? He did create them for man did He Not? I am a man. Shall I despise what the Lord's Christ had written especially for me?

Shall we consider these Word's as well in our Faith? Or judge them as unworthy, as Eve and the men who fell in the Wilderness did?

Bob S · Aug 15, 2020

Studyman said:
I have another question for you regarding your question to LGW.

1 Cor. 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-9-10/
I don't correlate my post with your scripture. Paul is writing that those who are out there harvesting souls should be paid by the members. What does that have to do with whether or not we are obligated to observe the laws of the Sinai covenant?

Shall men reject or omit the Word of God, simply because you don't understand them?

What does that question have to do with my post to LGW?

Does God care about facial hair, fabric, or loose skin on a penis? Or sayeth HE these things for our Sake's? For our sake's no doubt it is written. At least according to the Holy Scriptures.

Apparently God did care because He asked them to obey the commands. How about some scripture that explains Your thoughts.

Religious men's lack of belief or understanding of God's Word, doesn't make God's Word, or HIS Spiritual meaning for them, void does it? It didn't for Paul.

No and Paul was not teaching that Christians are under the ritual laws of the Sinai covenant.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2020

Bob S said:
LGW, do you keep the feast days, new moon celebrations, how long are your sideburns, what color is your yarmulke? https://www.skullcap.com/productdet...AphU-YZB-HhYxpnVgTBR7J7xv9DRQnidRoCZYIQAD_BwE has very nice ones if you are in the market for one.

Can't you see what those verses are saying? You are quick to quote them, but you don't observe them. May I remind you that Jesus was referring to the law, not just the ten commandments. He would have singled out the ten if that was what He was intending to address.

The whole law includes the 10 commandments is my point Bob. The shadow laws in the old covenant are fulfilled in the new covenant. Gods' 10 commandments however are the standard of right and wrong; sin and righteousness and have the same role they always have in the new covenant and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. According to the scriptures in the new covenant (God's Word not mine) if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Faith does not abolish Gods' law in the life of those who believe and follow God's Word it establsihes it *Romans 3:31.

Bob S · Aug 17, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The whole law includes the 10 commandments is my point Bob. The shadow laws in the old covenant are fulfilled in the new covenant. Gods' 10 commandments however are the standard of right and wrong; sin and righteousness and have the same role they always have in the new covenant and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. According to the scriptures in the new covenant (God's Word not mine) if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Faith does not abolish Gods' law in the life of those who believe and follow God's Word it establsihes it *Romans 3:31.

The greatest command of all, LOVE, isn't even in what you refer to as the standard of right and wrong. And please do not tell me the ten were about love. There is not one word in the ten that in any way tells us to love. the ten were about duty, duty to God and duty to our parents and our fellow man. Love is in the part you tell us are shadow laws. Wouldn't "shadow laws" contain the meat laws? Wouldn't they contain the tithing laws? Both of which you and your church tell us are very much to be observed. In fact your prophet wrote that if one doesn't return a faithful tithe they won't inherit eternal life.

The teachings you promote are full of inconsistencies.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 17, 2020

Bob S said:
The greatest command of all, LOVE, isn't even in what you refer to as the standard of right and wrong. And please do not tell me the ten were about love. There is not one word in the ten that in any way tells us to love. the ten were about duty, duty to God and duty to our parents and our fellow man. Love is in the part you tell us are shadow laws. Wouldn't "shadow laws" contain the meat laws? Wouldn't they contain the tithing laws? Both of which you and your church tell us are very much to be observed. In fact your prophet wrote that if one doesn't return a faithful tithe they won't inherit eternal life.

The teachings you promote are full of inconsistencies.

Love does not abolish God's law Bob, it is expressed through it. "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. See also ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12

Bob S · Aug 18, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Love does not abolish God's law Bob, it is expressed through it

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Israel did the job of abolishing the law LGW and Jesus brought it to an end. GAL 3:19

"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. See also ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’

37 Jesus replied: ‘“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: “Love your neighbour as yourself.” 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’

Might I remind you that Jesus didn't quote any commandment from the ten commandments. He didn't quote the ritual Sabbath command which some seem to be fixated as most important, so important that if we don't keep the ritual we will loose our eternal life. He didn't mention not having any other gods. He quoted from the book of the law that He had Moses write. Every other law ( hundreds of them) concerning morality fell in the two
categories, love for God and love for our fellow man. The ten were just the tip of the iceberg concerning how to treat God and man. You do a great injustice to God when you tell us the ten are His character.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 18, 2020

Bob S said:
. Israel did the job of abolishing the law LGW and Jesus brought it to an end. GAL 3:19

Bob, we are not in the old covenant now we are in the new. God's 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures are to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to the new covenant scriptures if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 4:17; James 2:10-11. Gods ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-26. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 18, 2020

Bob S said:
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34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’

37 Jesus replied: ‘“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: “Love your neighbour as yourself.” 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’

Might I remind you that Jesus didn't quote any commandment from the ten commandments. He didn't quote the ritual Sabbath command which some seem to be fixated as most important, so important that if we don't keep the ritual we will loose our eternal life. He didn't mention not having any other gods. He quoted from the book of the law that He had Moses write. Every other law ( hundreds of them) concerning morality fell in the two
categories, love for God and love for our fellow man. The ten were just the tip of the iceberg concerning how to treat God and man. You do a great injustice to God when you tell us the ten are His character.

As posted earlier Bob, love does not abolish God's law Bob, it is expressed through it. "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. See also ROMANS 13:8-10 and JAMES 2:8-12.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 18, 2020

LOVE IS EXPRESSED THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW AS WE HAVE FAITH IN GOD'S WORD

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear. Let's look at the scriptures.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself [Sums up our duty of love in the 10 Commandments Romans 13:9] , you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

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LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise to OBEY God's LAW *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. WE enter into God's NEW COVENANT to LOVE unless we are BORN AGAIN...

JOHN 3:3-7
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

WHY do we need to be born again? As shown through the scriptures we have no LOVE.

1 JOHN 4:7-8 [7], Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. [8], He that loves not knows not God; for God is love.

NOTE: Sound familiar? 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:6; 1 JOHN 3:9 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

1 JOHN 4:12 No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 JOHN 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God has to us. God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.

1 JOHN 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar [JESUS says they gave committed murder in their heart -Matthew 5:20-22] for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS - MATTHEW 22:36-40]

Continuing.

[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

He that is BORN of GOD does not commit sin because sin is breaking how God's LOVE is EXPRESSED through OBEDIENCE to God's WORD. This is expressed in a different way in 1 JOHN 3..

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NONE LOVE GOD or their fellow man while breaking any of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS as LOVE is an EXPRESSION of OBEYING them. You cannot separate the 10 Commandments from LOVE they are the very expression of what LOVE is and LOVE is the fulfilling of them under the NEW COVENANT promise * HEBREWS 8:10-12

Everything written in these last two posts are the CONTEXT you leave out of 1 JOHN 3:23.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

Bob S · Aug 18, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Bob, we are not in the old covenant now we are in the new.

Thanks for recognizing that LGW. The old covenant had 316 commands in it. The old covenant, as you recognized, is not a binding covenant. Since it is not binding how can any of the commandments be binding? Jews are not under the old covenant now are they. Gentiles never were under it. Remember now that the old covenant had 316 commands which included the ten that you so revere. Unless the new covenant plainly states that any of those now defunct commands of the old covenant are part of the new covenant then they are not binding on those that are under the new covenant. Now, show us where in the new covenant God reinstated the ritual Sabbath commandment. After reading all your scriptural references below I can't find in any of them telling us they are referring to the ten commandments.
You wrote: "God's 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures are to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken" then you listed the following verses Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 to prove your point. Look at those verses, none of them tell us they are referring to just the ten. You try to say they do, but they do not. Romans 3 says law. Rom 7 says law. 1jn3 says law. The law consisted of 613 commands not just the ten you try to make those verses express.

God's 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures are to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

According to the new covenant scriptures if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 4:17; James 2:10-11. Gods ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 9:6-8. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-26. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12.

James 4: 17 says: 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. Does that verse indicate that it is referring to the ten commandments? I will answer that one. Absolutely not!!!

James 2: 10-11 says: 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ also said, ‘You shall not murder. Once again it is referring to the whole law not just the ten.

I challenge you to find one place in the New Testament that reinstates the ritual Sabbath law. The covenant ended at Calvary. All the laws of that covenant became void. Again, if any of those laws are binding now it is because they have been reinstated in the new covenant. 2 Cor 3:6-11 KJV explicitly tells us that the ten are done away and the Holy Spirit is now our guide.

As to becoming part of Israel when we accept Jesus as Savior, I say is a bunch of bunk. We get our nourishment from Jesus. He is what we are grafted into.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 19, 2020

Bob S said:
Thanks for recognizing that LGW. The old covenant had 316 commands in it. The old covenant, as you recognized, is not a binding covenant. Since it is not binding how can any of the commandments be binding? Jews are not under the old covenant now are they. Gentiles never were under it. Remember now that the old covenant had 316 commands which included the ten that you so revere. Unless the new covenant plainly states that any of those now defunct commands of the old covenant are part of the new covenant then they are not binding on those that are under the new covenant. Now, show us where in the new covenant God reinstated the ritual Sabbath commandment. After reading all your scriptural references below I can't find in any of them telling us they are referring to the ten commandments.
You wrote: "God's 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures are to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken" then you listed the following verses Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 to prove your point. Look at those verses, none of them tell us they are referring to just the ten. You try to say they do, but they do not. Romans 3 says law. Rom 7 says law. 1jn3 says law. The law consisted of 613 commands not just the ten you try to make those verses express.

James 4: 17 says: 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. Does that verse indicate that it is referring to the ten commandments? I will answer that one. Absolutely not!!!

James 2: 10-11 says: 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ also said, ‘You shall not murder. Once again it is referring to the whole law not just the ten.

I challenge you to find one place in the New Testament that reinstates the ritual Sabbath law. The covenant ended at Calvary. All the laws of that covenant became void. Again, if any of those laws are binding now it is because they have been reinstated in the new covenant. 2 Cor 3:6-11 KJV explicitly tells us that the ten are done away and the Holy Spirit is now our guide.

As to becoming part of Israel when we accept Jesus as Savior, I say is a bunch of bunk. We get our nourishment from Jesus. He is what we are grafted into.

No, the new covenant does not abolosh Gods' 10 commandments it establishes them in those who are born again *1 John 3:6-9; John 2:3-7 by a new heart to love by faith in God's promises according to the scriptures *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; James 2:8-10; Romans 3:31. Salvation is from sin (breaking God's commandments or not believing his Word; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23), not salvation to continue in sin *John 8:31-36 and sin is defined in the scriptures as the transgrassion of God's law *1 John 3:4 as through the law is the knowledge of what sin is *1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20 and according to God's Word in the new covenant if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments or do not believe and follow his Word we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; James 4:17; Romans 14:23. Sin, therefore as defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following his Word (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23), according to the scriptures, is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:9-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

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