Has the Age of the Gentiles come to an end?

shilohsfoal · Aug 12, 2020

BABerean2 said:
That event is found below in Revelation chapter 16. There will be almost nothing left of earthly Jerusalem after the greatest earthquake in the history of the planet. Look what happens to the islands and mountains.
You are confusing early Jerusalem, with heavenly Jerusalem promised in Hebrews 11:15-16.
You also seem to be unaware of who is the New Covenant "tabernacle". See 1 Peter 2:4-10 if you need some clarification.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

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There's was almost nothing left of Hiroshima after we used the abomination of desolation on it but have you seen it lately?

According to Ezekiel the land will recover from that war.
Ezekiel 38:8 NIV: After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
There's was almost nothing left of Hiroshima after we used the abomination of desolation on it but have you seen it lately?

Did it cause the greatest earthquake in the history of the world, which destroyed the mountains?

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shilohsfoal · Aug 12, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Did it cause the greatest earthquake in the history of the world, which destroyed the mountains?

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We have larger nukes now. Much larger.
In fact we can make Egypt desolate for 40 years.
After Armegeddon, no one will be able to even pass through Egypt for forty years. Not man nor beast.
But 40 years after Armegeddon,the Egyptians will be able to live there again.
Ezekiel 29:12 I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolate lands, and her cities will lie desolate for forty years among the ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them throughout the countries.
Ezekiel 29:13 For this is what the Lord GOD says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations to which they were scattered.
Ezekiel 29:14 I will restore Egypt from captivity and bring them back to the land of Pathros, the land of their origin. There they will be a lowly kingdom.

Egypt will never attack Jerusalem again by God.
Egypt can't even Invade with Gog and his band of misfits. They going to get pulverized come Armegeddon.

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2020

Gup20 said:
The blindness and hardening of Israel continues even now.

Was all of Israel partially hardened in Romans 11, or were part of the Israelites hardened, and part of the Israelites were not hardened?
The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:1-5.

Paul had to correct Peter for treating the Gentile believers differently than the Jewish believers.
Some of us are making the mistake today.
What did Paul say about genealogies in Titus 3:9?

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
We have larger nukes now. Much larger.
In fact we can make Egypt desolate for 40 years.
After Armegeddon, no one will be able to even pass through Egypt for forty years. Not man nor beast.
But 40 years after Armegeddon,the Egyptians will be able to live there again.
Ezekiel 29:12 I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolate lands, and her cities will lie desolate for forty years among the ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them throughout the countries.
Ezekiel 29:13 For this is what the Lord GOD says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations to which they were scattered.
Ezekiel 29:14 I will restore Egypt from captivity and bring them back to the land of Pathros, the land of their origin. There they will be a lowly kingdom.

Egypt will never attack Jerusalem again by God.
Egypt can't even Invade with Gog and his band of misfits. They going to get pulverized come Armegeddon.

The fire of God will make our largest nuclear weapons look like a birthday candle...

He is the one who produces supernovas of the largest stars.

See 2 Peter 3:10-13, if you have any doubts.

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shilohsfoal · Aug 12, 2020

BABerean2 said:
The fire of God will make our largest nuclear weapons look like a birthday candle...

He is the one who produces supernovas of the largest stars.

See 2 Peter 3:10-13, if you have any doubts.

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Well, God says he doesn't destroy Egypt.
He says the king of Babylon does it for him.

It's an option. It's like when Samson was chained up in his enemies temple. The option is, if it appears your enemies have you defeated, you bring down the entire house on yourself and your enemies.
That's is the king of Babylons option.

Of course you do destroy your own land and your own people in the process but it is what it is.

shilohsfoal · Aug 12, 2020

I don't think a supernova will be used at Armegeddon Israel.

If it were the Egyptians wouldn't be able to come back to lower Egypt after 40 years.

Ezekiel 29:12 I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolate lands, and her cities will lie desolate for forty years among the ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them throughout the countries.
Ezekiel 29:13 For this is what the Lord GOD says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations to which they were scattered.
Ezekiel 29:14 I will restore Egypt from captivity and bring them back to the land of Pathros, the land of their origin. There they will be a lowly kingdom.

Like it says, after 40 years the Egyptians can go back home.

Gup20 · Aug 12, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Was all of Israel partially hardened in Romans 11, or were part of the Israelites hardened, and part of the Israelites were not hardened?
The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:1-5.

Paul had to correct Peter for treating the Gentile believers differently than the Jewish believers.
Some of us are making the mistake today.
What did Paul say about genealogies in Titus 3:9?

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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I've seen that video before... what he fails to understand is that the "new covenant" started with and was given to Abraham, not with the resurrection of Jesus. The birth of Jesus brought righteousness into the world... the righteousness redeemed with Abraham... which is why Abraham was "credited" with righteousness... it still depended on Jesus to come and work to be declared righteous before the debt was paid. But the covenant that raised Jesus from the dead was given to Abraham and promised (through Abraham) to Christ.

I don't know what dispensational theology is... I don't really read things outside of scripture, so I don't know much about what people say about the Bible as much as what I read in the Bible for myself.

Gup20 · Aug 12, 2020

Gup20 said:
I've seen that video before... what he fails to understand is that the "new covenant" started with and was given to Abraham, not with the resurrection of Jesus. The birth of Jesus brought righteousness into the world... the righteousness redeemed with Abraham... which is why Abraham was "credited" with righteousness... it still depended on Jesus to come and work to be declared righteous before the debt was paid. But the covenant that raised Jesus from the dead was given to Abraham and promised (through Abraham) to Christ.

I don't know what dispensational theology is... I don't really read things outside of scripture, so I don't know much about what people say about the Bible as much as what I read in the Bible for myself.

The reason this is important is because it means that salvation by faith is truly apart from the law... if the covenant of salvation by faith came to Abraham 430 years before The Law was given to Moses, it means that Abraham was made righteous for his faith WITHOUT the law, and that once it was ratified in Genesis 15 - no conditions can be added to that covenant... therefore, the Law which came 430 years later didn't modify the covenant of righteousness through faith.

Gal 3:6-9, 13-18 NASB 6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. ... 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is [only] a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as [referring] to many, but [rather] to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2020

Gup20 said:
I've seen that video before... what he fails to understand is that the "new covenant" started with and was given to Abraham, not with the resurrection of Jesus.

The promise is first found in Genesis 3:15, and then in Genesis 12:3.

He is the seed which will crush the head of Satan, and in which all the nations of the earth would be blessed.

He is found in the first verse of the New Testament.

The promise was fulfilled in blood at Calvary.

On the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:25-27 He said the whole Old Testament is a book about Him.

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mkgal1 · Aug 12, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Do you consider Nebuchadnezar to be from the line of David? From my understand he ruled over Israel for quite a while there.

No. Nebuchadnezzar was not from the line of David. He was a Babylonian king that took the Israelites captive. Nebuchadnezzar took everything from Jerusalem, including its king and 10,000 people (2 Kings 24:13–14).

You may be interested in reading about the line of David in Matthew.

Matthew 1:1 ~ This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham

How is Jesus the son of David?

solid_core · Aug 13, 2020

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So, you are not ignorant of the fact that thousand years for God is just one day to us? What does it have to do with resurrection after Peter's death?

shilohsfoal · Aug 13, 2020

mkgal1 said:
No. Nebuchadnezzar was not from the line of David. He was a Babylonian king that took the Israelites captive. Nebuchadnezzar took everything from Jerusalem, including its king and 10,000 people (2 Kings 24:13–14).

You may be interested in reading about the line of David in Matthew.

Matthew 1:1 ~ This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham

How is Jesus the son of David?

So who was sitting on David's throne while Israel was in captivity in Babylon?

shilohsfoal · Aug 13, 2020

solid_core said:
So, you are not ignorant of the fact that thousand years for God is just one day to us? What does it have to do with resurrection after Peter's death?

You have that backward.
But what Peter said has everything to do with the resurrection.It has everything to do with understanding when the resurrection takes place.

Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Like I said, there is a reason why the body of Christ rises on the third day and not the first.
But you said you didn't learn anything from Peter so you wouldn't understand what the Lord has been doing for two days or what he would do on the third.

Luke 13:32 NIV: He replied, "Go tell that fox, 'I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.'

Peter knew what the Lord would be doing for 2000 years and what he would do for the following 1000.The Lord told him. The Lord told all of us right there in his word.It's up to us to listen to what he has said.

mkgal1 · Aug 13, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
So who was sitting on David's throne while Israel was in captivity in Babylon?

That's just what I've been asking you, because you're the one insisting the everlasting throne is on earth. That doesn't line up to reality (as you're pointing out). The everlasting throne of David has to be somewhere else besides earthly Jerusalem/Judah.

Jeremiah 33:17 ~ For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,

mkgal1 · Aug 13, 2020

solid_core said:
So, you are not ignorant of the fact that thousand years for God is just one day to us?

shilohsfoal said:
You have that backward.

2 Peter 3:8 ~ Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

solid_core · Aug 13, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
You have that backward.
But what Peter said has everything to do with the resurrection.It has everything to do with understanding when the resurrection takes place.

Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Like I said, there is a reason why the body of Christ rises on the third day and not the first.
But you said you didn't learn anything from Peter so you wouldn't understand what the Lord has been doing for two days or what he would do on the third.

Luke 13:32 NIV: He replied, "Go tell that fox, 'I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.'

Peter knew what the Lord would be doing for 2000 years and what he would do for the following 1000.The Lord told him. The Lord told all of us right there in his word.It's up to us to listen to what he has said.

Ah, I see... you are trying to postulate that Peter was giving us some literal key to read the Bible in the sense that when its about days, we should read thousand years.

Well, its quite a shaky position. Peter was not establishing some prophetic rule, he was simply saying that God's timing is different than ours. Not just longer, but also shorter.

mkgal1 · Aug 13, 2020

solid_core said:
Ah, I see... you are trying to postulate that Peter was giving us some literal key to read the Bible in the sense that when its about days, we should read thousand years.

Well, its quite a shaky position. Peter was not establishing some prophetic rule, he was simply saying that God's timing is different than ours. Not just longer, but also shorter.

It's definitely a shaky position, because following this line of reasoning keeps Jesus in the grave still.....and us waiting for His resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:17 ~ And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.

mkgal1 · Aug 13, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
So who was sitting on David's throne while Israel was in captivity in Babylon?

No one in earthly Judah.

Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled this prophecy spoken by the prophet Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 22:24-25
"As surely as I live," declares the LORD, "even if you, Jehoiachin son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, were a signet ring on my right hand, I would still pull you off. I will hand you over to those who seek your life, those you fear--to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and to the Babylonians.

V.30
This is what the LORD says: "Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule any more in Judah."

shilohsfoal · Aug 13, 2020

mkgal1 said:
That's just what I've been asking you, because you're the one insisting the everlasting throne is on earth. That doesn't line up to reality (as you're pointing out). The everlasting throne of David has to be somewhere else besides earthly Jerusalem/Judah.

Jeremiah 33:17 ~ For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,

Well, David ruled upon earth. David never ascended into heaven. He didn't come from heaven.

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