The Lord's Day is Sunday.

The Liturgist said:

I do beg your pardon; I was seeking to clarify and expand upon your post for the benefit of members who might otherwise embrace a misguided Sabbatarian perspective.

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Ah. Thank you. My mind was full of thoughts from several other threads at that moment and the post just didn't click with me at that time.

th1bill said:

We are training for Holy Living in the Holy City of our Lord and Master!

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Good point, let's see that scripture says about that:

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Every 7th day is a test then, isn't it? a pop quiz preparatory to that time.

Bible Highlighter said:

For Christians would be known for gathering on Sunday or the first day of the week (Which is based on Scripture).

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I'm not totally convinced by this argument. Nowhere is explicitly stated that the first day of the week is the Lord's Day, though that is probably what it refers to. However it could refer to the Sabbath, the day that God set aside for himself: The Lord's Day.

nolidad said:

Actually the Word Lord there does not have the definite article in teh Greek

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Have you read this?

Rev 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

"τη" (G3588), that's the definite article.

Strong's Concordance says, "the definite article; the"

Thayer's Lexicon says, "the definite article; the"

This is a matter which has never been contentious, historically, in Christianity. The Kyriake hemera (most often shortened simply to Kyriake) has always been identified with the first day of the week, the day Christ rose from the dead. This is a different expression than the hemeran kuriou which is called τὴν μεγάλην καὶ ἐπιφανῆ, "the great and illustrious" as the LXX has it in Joel 2:31, which is identical with what's found in Acts 2:20, as it's the LXX which is being quoted.

The Kyriake is the day on which Christ rose from the dead, the day which Christians have always assembled together for worship, this is the day on which St. John of Patmos was "in the spirit" and received the visions which he recorded in his Apocalypse.

This has always been well known and without any contention since the earliest days of Christianity. Alternative hypotheses are a modern innovation without merit.

-CryptoLutheran

nolidad said:

The Sabbath, which isan agreement between God and the Jewish people

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No. The old covenant was such an agreement between God and all present at Mt. Sinai, most of whom were Israel (and there was also the mixed multitude who had joined themselves to the LORD). The Sabbath is part of God's spiritual Law, the Ten Commandments. There is nowhere in scripture which makes the Ten Commandments = the old covenant. See Exodus 19 to begin with, then see Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31; Hebrews 8 & 10; Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16.

Bible Highlighter said:

I do not see how Hebrews 9:24 disproves how Christ ascended two times.
Do you care to elaborate?
I believe Hebrews 7-10 helps support the truth that Christ ascended a first time in John 20:17.

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Hebrews 9:24
For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

How often does Jesus travel from earth into Heaven to present His perfect sacrifice for us?

Based on your statement and this passage from Hebrews, you must believe at least twice, right?

But scripture says only once:

25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

If I understand you correctly, you are asserting that, sometime after He came out of the tomb and appeared to Mary, but before he appeared to His apostles, that Christ ascended to heaven and presented Himself as the firstfruits offering, then returned to earth once that offering was accepted By God.

If this is your position, I still don't see How you can reconcile it with Hebrews 9:24?
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:"

The writer of Hebrews, writing in the 60's AD, some 30 years after your proposed "ascension & return" claimed that at the time he was writing, Christ was presently in heaven offering himself as the sacrifice for us.

Your view has Him offering Himself the 2nd day after Passover, returning, then ascending again and offering himself AGAIN, which the writer of Hebrews explicitly says CAN NOT BE:

Hebrews 9:25-26
"25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.'

As for why Jesus made the 'don't touch me statement', He actually told Mary not to "Cling to" Him.

John 20:17 NKJ
"Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'

The Greek for "Cling" or "Touch" here is "Haptomai" which means:
to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to.

This is not a simple finger extended "touching" of Christ being described here as Thomas did, this is Mary seeing the risin Christ and, not surprisingly, CLINGING to Him.

Jesus tells her not to Cling to Him, in effect because Both He and She had important work yet to do. They would have an eternity to cling to eachother, but Christ effectively told her to "let go" at that point because there was yet unfinished business they both needed to attend to.

Christ ascended to the Father once, and it is recorded for us at the beginning of the Book of the Acts of the Apostles.

Bible Highlighter said:

I believe all days are alike when it comes to worshiping the Lord

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Based on a misreading of Romans 14 no doubt?

Context
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture, for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture, and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Let's look at the details of Romans 14.
Romans 14, deals with the days that "man esteemeth" among men, see Luke 16:15. God esteems His Holy day [Job 23:12; Psalms 119:126-128].

The "day" in Romans 14 is associated with eating and not eating, among "men", which are days set apart for men for fasting/feasting, etc. The Jews had constantly fought with one another over which days were better to do this or that [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12]. Some Jews decide that any day was fine to do any of those things, while others had specific days picked out for those things [see also the historical source the "Didache"]. Paul stated it didn't matter, and each was fine, so long as either side did it unto the LORD, to the glory of God, not for personal gain/prestige/notice [as the Pharisees had done], but that what mattered was brotherly love within the body, preferring one another. Connect Romans 14, to 1 Corinthians 8-10. There were issues with the Gentile believers purchasing food in the shambles [marketplaces] which may have been blessed or offered before idols, and some Jews, and possibly Gentiles believers which took offense at anyone partaking of those things. Paul stated that an Idol is nothing, but the persons for whom Christ Jesus died were of value, and therefore, regard the conscience of another, and cause no one to sin, even if what was eaten was immediately lawful to a person, but such freedom within God's law, not everything is always expedient, or best to do at all times. There were also Jewish believers in Christ who still under their vows, even Nazarite vows, and thus things of the vine in matters of eating and drinking would come into play as well. Just because Christ Jesus died on the Cross, doesn't negate their vow - they still had to carry out what they said they would do. If you Read Romans 1-13, the Law, the Ten Commandments of God are spoken of and cited throughout, as eternal, as the judge of sin [Romans 7:7; in fact how did you know you needed as Saviour? What Law was transgressed by yourself? Exodus 20:1-17], and Romans 15-16 continue and complete this picture. God's Ten Commandments are Eternal [Psalms 89:34], His Sabbath from Genesis to Revelation, even into the New Heavens and New Earth [Isaiah 66:22-23].

AmigodeJesus said:

Simple grammar. Day = singular. Days = plural.

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And??

AmigodeJesus said:

The text does not say 'days', neither 'week', 'month' or even 'year'.

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No, and I know that the Lord rested on the 7th day, gave us an example to follow and that Jews worship him on that day. I also know that Christians gather for corporate worship on the first day of the week; the day on which his Son was raised from the dead. Many people do call the day on which they gather as the body of Christ, "the Lord's day".

I'm saying that as the Lord created all the days and all our time belongs to him, I cannot conceive of saying to God, "I'll worship you and listen to your word on this day only."
When I was a care worker in a home for people with learning disabilities, my days off were Thursday and Friday. I tried to go to our evening service on Sunday if I was on a night shift; but it was a working day. The student nurses in our congregation had the same issue. I don't believe for one minute that I was worshipping God on the "wrong" day.

robycop3 said:

I believe Jesus rose on Saturday, just before sunset.
Why?

Becuse that'd be 3 days & nights since he died. In Matt. 28, we see He had already risen when the angel rolled the stone from the tomb entrance, & the guards fainted. The angel told the women He was already risen & was going to Galilee.

That does NOT counter the fact that Sunday became the Christian worship day. No one had seen Jesus rise, including the guards, who were "at peace" til the earthquake. No humans knew He'd risen til the angel told the women.

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That's a violation of scripture and a misunderstanding of the three days and three nights text.

AmigodeJesus said:

No, actually it does as already stated. Simply posting a link to further error does not justify your position.

[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus at Lazarus' house in Bethany [Mt. Olivet] – [John 12:1]

[the first [day] of the week]Jesus Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, "the next day" from leaving Lazarus' house, Hosanna! - [John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11], goes to the Temple, and after looking around, leaves, since it was close to evening back out unto Mt. Olivet.

[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, curses the fig tree, goes to the Temple, and cleanses the Temple for the Second [last] time of the Money Changers - [Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19], and Jesus goes back out.

[the third [day] of the week]
Jesus comes back, the Fig tree is withered up from the roots, goes to the Temple, and has the final teachings to the Pharisees, etc - [Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27].

This was the "two days" before the "Passover" - [Matthew 26:1-2; Mark 14:1; Luke 21:37-38, 22:1].

Jesus tells the Jewish nation, that their house is forever left desolate, no more fruit again - [Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 13:32-35].

Jesus said, that He still had to do "cures" and "cast out devils" "to day, tomorrow and the third day" and be done - [Luke 13:32,33]

Jesus had been "daily" in the Temple - [Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20]

[the fourth [day] of the week]
The "tomorrow" [Luke 13:32,33]

[the fifth [day] of the week]
The "Third Day" [Luke 13:32,33], being done.

[the sixth [day] of the week; preparation]
Gather twice as much, Christ Jesus the anti-typical Manna, Exodus 16:25,26
The "spices" "had been" [Mark 16;1] purchased sometime after the Crucifixion and before burial so that they could "prepare" [Luke 23:56] them to bring on the "first [day] of the week" [Luke 24:1], even as we see Joseph of Arimathaea doing for the linen - [Mark 14:46]

1st Evening Part - [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30]
1st Morning [Light] Part - [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1]

Aviv/Nisan 14th; Christ Jesus our Passover is Sacrificed for us - [1 Corinthians 5:7],

[the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God]
Jesus remained in the Tomb all Sabbath - anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:29,30
The Disciples were keeping the Sabbath according to the Commandment - [Exodus 20:8-11; Luke 23:54,56]

2nd Evening and 2nd Morning Parts - [Matthew 27:58-66, 28:1; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53,54; John 19:38-42]

Aviv/Nisan 15th - Seasonal Feast Sabbath [First Day of Unleavened Bread, without corruption] - [Leviticus 23:5-8]

[the first [day] of the week]
Christ Jesus, preserved and Risen - Anti-type Manna - Exodus 16:32-34
3rd Evening and 3rd Morning Parts, Christ Risen and shown alive - [Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:2-20; Luke 24:1-29; John 20:1-23]

Aviv/Nisan 16th; Christ the Firstfruits/Wavesheaf Offering, Anti-Type Resurrection - [1 Corinthians 15:20,23].

Jesus was walking with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the "first [day] of the week", as the day was closing out, being "the third day since these things" were done [Luke 24:21],

[the second [day] of the week]
Jesus was still walking with the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus as the first [day] of the week was closing, and it becomes Evening - [Luke 24:29,35, etc]

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AmigodeJesus said:

No. The old covenant was such an agreement between God and all present at Mt. Sinai, most of whom were Israel (and there was also the mixed multitude who had joined themselves to the LORD). The Sabbath is part of God's spiritual Law, the Ten Commandments. There is nowhere in scripture which makes the Ten Commandments = the old covenant. See Exodus 19 to begin with, then see Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31; Hebrews 8 & 10; Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16.

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There's a whole lot more than just ten commandments in God's Torah. If you are going to say that Christians must observe the Sabbath because it's in God's Law which He gave at Sinai, then you need to be consistent--ALL of God's commandments in His Torah must be observed.

Otherwise you are picking and choosing which of God's Holy Commandments you want to keep.

So, like I tell every Sabbatarian, if you want me to take you seriously about observing the Sabbath, then let me know where you bought your mezzuzah, and the last time you ritually purified yourself in the mikveh after becoming ritually unclean.

-CryptoLutheran

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@robycop3

You may be interested in this CF thread here:

My New Chronology on the Passion Week

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"... The first definite appearance of the Wednesday-Saturday belief in Sabbatarian sources occurred in 1724. In that year George Carlow, a British Seventh Day Baptist ..." - A History of the Saturday Resurrection Doctrine

Here is that Book, by George Carlow - A defense of the Sabbath, in reply to Ward on the fourth commandment : Carlow, George : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"... So your Pentecost opinion is utterly overthrown with that, for Christ's death was not on the sixth day. The fifteenth day of the first month Nisan, when Christ was crucified and died, fell that year on the fourth day of the week, i.e. Wednesday, at the end of which day our blessed Jesus was buried, from which time to the end of the seventh-day Sabbath was three days and three nights, the term of time that our Lord foretold he should lie in the grave. Matt. 12:40. So that there were two days between the day of Jesus' death and the seventh-day Sabbath, and one day between that high Sabbath and the seventh-day Sabbath. ..." - Truth Defended: Or, Observations on Mr. Ward's Expositary [sic] Discourses, from the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th Verses of the 20th Chapter of Exodus, Concerning the Sabbath. By George Carlow, page 109 - A defense of the Sabbath, in reply to Ward on the fourth commandment

George Carlow was a seventh-day Baptist, attempting (incorrectly) to prove the significance of the 7th day the sabbath. If you accept his assertions, then you must accept his conclusions (which you do not in regards the seventh day). He erred in many instances in just the above quotation. He assumes the wrong year, and thus lands on the wrong date.

He incorrectly equates the phrase "in the heart of the earth" to being only to the time Jesus was to "in the grave", and only cited a single reference of Matthew 12:40, of which text does not equate in the heart of the earth to being buried exclusively, or even at all. That is building a doctrine on a single verse, and we are warning in scripture to not to do that, as you need it in the mouth of two or three witnesses in every case, being line upon line, spiritual with spiritual. Not merely a single peg, which may be spun in any direction outside of its proper contexts.

He assumes several other things which are false, as demonstrated by the OP and material throughout.

You are basing your argument on a failed 18th century seventh-day baptist argument which was written to prove that the 7th day should be kept.
How many times, in these passages [Matthew 12:38-45, 16:1-12; Luke 11:14-32], or in all of Scripture, is the specific phrase, “in the heart of the earth” or “heart of the earth” found/used?

Only once! Anyone may do a word study or search by any known method and see this.

Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

However, a like [similar] phrase is found in Genesis, Exodus, Psalms, Isaiah and Daniel, wherein the word “midst” [OT; [Hebrew] H7130 “קרב”, “qereb”; [Syriac] H1459 “גּו”, “gav”] is used in the place of “heart” [NT]:

Genesis 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Exodus 8:22 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth.

Psalms 74:12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

Isaiah 5:8 Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!

Daniel 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

The phrase “in the midst” is used in the scripture in various contexts, generally meaning, 'amongst', 'in the middle' and/or 'in the center' of.

The phrase “in the midst of the earth” is not the same as the phrases, “the face of the earth”, “the fatness of the earth”, “the breadth of the earth”, “the end/s of the earth”, “the uttermost part/s of the earth”, “the utmost parts of the earth”, “four corners of the earth”, “the depths of the earth”, “the deep places of the earth”, “the low[er] parts of the earth”, “the lowest parts of the earth”, “out of the earth”, “[dens and] caves of the earth”, “nether parts of the earth”, “the high places of the earth”, “borders of the earth”, “sides of the earth”, “coasts of the earth”, “dark place/s of the earth”, “foundation/s of the earth”, “circle of the earth”, etc., and this may be known by a simple process of substitution of phrase.

Additional consideration to this question, being a result of prayerful and careful search, reveals that there also no specific connection in Scripture, in any location, which relates that this term/phraseology “in the heart of the earth” means specifically/only, “in the grave/tomb/sepulchre”.

We can also directly see that there is the equative [the ways of the LORD being “equal” [Ezekiel 18:25,29 KJB], having a “just” [Proverbs 11:1, 16:11] balance] or parallel in the passage:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This means there is an equative or parallel being made by Jesus to the terms:

[A1] “For as …”

[A2] “... so ...”

[B1] “... Jonas ...”

[B2] “... the Son of man ...”

[C1] “... was ...” [past tense, historical-typological-natural]

[C2] “... shall … be ...” [future tense, antitypological-prophetic]

[D1] “... three days and three nights ...”

[D2] “... three days and three nights ...”

[E1] “... in ...”

[E2] “... in ...”

[F1] “... the whale's belly ...”

[F2] “... the heart of the earth.”

There is nowhere in Scripture which specifically relates the term/phraseology “in the whale's belly” to means specifically/only, “in the grave/tomb/sepulchre” either.

Strong in Him said:

I cannot conceive of saying to God, "I'll worship you and listen to your word on this day only."

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Who here is teaching that is what God said?

ViaCrucis said:

There's a whole lot more than just ten commandments in God's Torah. If you are going to say that Christians must observe the Sabbath because it's in God's Law which He gave at Sinai, then you need to be consistent--ALL of God's commandments in His Torah must be observed.

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I agree. And we should, in Christ Jesus. That's the entire point of Hebrews.

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

As for instance, sacrifices are still required.

AmigodeJesus said:

I agree. And we should, in Christ Jesus. That's the entire point of Hebrews.

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

As for instance, sacrifices are still required.

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And I'm not interested in converting to Judaism. I don't have a problem with Jewish people and their religion, it's just not my religion, and I have no plan on leaving Christianity in order to become Jewish.

-CryptoLutheran

parousia70 said:

How often does Jesus travel from earth into Heaven to present His perfect sacrifice for us?

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Once. The second time was to minister it.

AmigodeJesus said:

Once. The second time was to minister it.

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Scripture mentions Christ ascending once.

Christ did not ascend to heaven between His resurrection and His appearing to His disciples. This is a very clear and obvious misreading of the text.

Jesus tells Mary not to cling to Him as though He was now going to be with them again in the same way He was before, because as He was to go and ascend to the Father--which happened (unsurprisingly) at His Ascension, recorded in Acts ch. 1.

-CryptoLutheran

AmigodeJesus said:

I agree. And we should, in Christ Jesus.

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And yet you don't.
Why?

parousia70 said:

And yet you don't.

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Wow, presumptuous much?