The Lord's Day is Sunday.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

nolidad said:
Actually the Word Lord there does not have the definite article in teh Greek and is an adjective . It is describing the kind of day it was. So it would actually read like this: "I was in the Spirit on a Lordy day" The construct tells us it was an unusual or higher spiritual day than normal. It could have been a Tuesday!

The Sabbath, which isan agreement between God and the Jewish people is Saturday, the church has no specified "Lords Day". We worship on Sunday to commemorate Jesus" resurrection, but it is no command like Saturday was for the Jews.

I believe all days are alike when it comes to worshiping the Lord; So I am not saying it was a command for believers to gather on Sunday. But in the early church, they did gather on Sunday. My point is that the Lord's day simply is Sunday because that is the truth we see in NT Scripture. That was the point of the Scriptures I posted (if you were to carefully examine them). But you are convinced of your own interpretation based on being an expert in the Greek. I just read and believe my Bible in the English with the King James Bible. No need to not believe what I read.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

Scott Husted said:
There is no comparison as to what this day in symbolism means to humanity, as opposed to a literal day where no literal work is done on.

I believe the Old Testament “Lord's day” is the Saturday Sabbath, but the New Testament “Lord's day” is the 1st day of the week. This does not mean the Saturday Sabbath is no longer the Saturday Sabbath. This just means that the new “Lord's day” is now the celebration of Christ's resurrection. For why wouldn't God not make the conquering of sin and death His special day for the New Covenant? It is afterall a new kind of rest.

BNR32FAN · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
The Lord's Day is Sunday:

Revelation 1:10 mentions the “Lord's day.”

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ...” (Revelation 1:10).

Some believe this day to be Sunday, and others believe this day to be Saturday (i.e. the Saturday Sabbath, or the seventh day [last day] of the week). Let's examine Scripture to find out what the Lord's day is.

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Mary, Peter, and others witness the empty tomb:

“The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” (John 20:1).

6 “Then cometh Simon Peter... and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.” (John 20:6-7).

“...yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.”
(John 20:9).

10 “Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping:” (John 20:10-11).

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener,...” (John 20:15).

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Here we see on “the first day” of the week (Sunday) that Jesus was already risen, and He shows Himself to Mary and tells her, “I ascend (rise) unto my Father.” Mary later tells the disciples that she has seen “the Lord.”

This is the Lord's day in that He had ascended or risen to the Father.

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On the Road to Emmaus:

Jesus (with his identity hidden) talked with two men on the road to Emmaus about His death and resurrection:

The two men said:

“Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.” (Luke 24:22-23).

Jesus said unto them:

“O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?” (Luke 24:25-26).

Later, after Jesus revealed his full identity to them (in who He was) at dinner and departed:

The two men said:

32 “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.” (Luke 24:32-35).

The Lord is risen indeed!
Jesus ascended or had risen to His Father!
This was on the first day the disciples discovered the empty tomb!
This is the Lord's day. The culmination or climactic high point of God's story in the salvation of mankind. He is risen! The Lord is risen! The Lord is risen indeed! The first day of the week! The Lord's day! Sunday!

For Christians would be known for gathering on Sunday or the first day of the week (Which is based on Scripture).

I believe The Lord’s Day refers to the day Jesus was resurrected and there is much debate on what day that was because the scriptures are not actually clear on this.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

th1bill said:
It is astonishing to this latecomer to the LORD that so many attach themselves to this day or that day as the LORD's Day. This practice appears to, inherently build a basis for days that Sin is not such an Evil Thing. And like the Catholics and most other, man-made, divisions of the thing they call Christianity, Saturday or Sunday are days of forgiveness... sorry but BS! Every day of any week, to the true-hearted Christian is the Day of our LORD. We must learn to obey Whenever and Wherever we find ourselves. We are training for Holy Living in the Holy City of our Lord and Master!

See post #61.

parousia70 · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
I believe the Old Testament “Lord's day” is the Saturday Sabbath

I have searched the OT for the term "the Lord's Day" and can't find it used anywhere... plenty of OT uses of it's synonym, the day of the lord, however, and in none of those is it used to refer to the Saturday Sabbath.

What OT scripture(s) are you basing this belief on?

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
I believe The Lord’s Day refers to the day Jesus was resurrected and there is much debate on what day that was because the scriptures are not actually clear on this.

I believe the Bible teaches there are two ascensions.

#1. Jesus ascended after telling Mary not to touch Him because He told her He still needed to ascend to His Father. In fact, He told her to tell the disciples this (See: John 20:17). I believe this first ascension to the Father was a part of Christ's resurrection. Jesus entered the most holy place by His blood and became our Heavenly High Priest and was then able to be our mediator between God the Father and mankind (See: Hebrews 7-10). Without Jesus entering into the temple, He could not obtain eternal redemption for us. Jesus had to first be our Heavenly High priest. He could not be defiled by touching anyone and thus that is why He told Mary to not touch Him. He later allowed Thomas to touch Him because He already accomplished His mission.

#2. Jesus ascends in front of many witnesses after spending 40 days with His disciples (Acts of the Apostles 1:9).

As for the rising part from the grave portion of Christ's resurrection:

Well, I believe that happened precisely at 3:00PM on the Saturday Sabbath.

See this CF thread here (to see where I am coming from with Scripture):

My New Chronology on the Passion Week

parousia70 · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
I believe the Bible teaches there are two ascensions.

#1. Jesus ascended after telling Mary not to touch Him because He told her He still needed to ascend to His Father. In fact, He told her to tell the disciples this (See: John 20:17). I believe this first ascension to the Father was a part of Christ's resurrection. Jesus entered the most holy place by His blood and became our Heavenly High Priest and was then able to be our mediator between God the Father and mankind (See: Hebrews 7-10). Without Jesus entering into the temple, He could not obtain eternal redemption for us. Jesus had to first be our Heavenly High priest. He could not be defiled by touching anyone and thus that is why He told Mary to not touch Him. He later allowed Thomas to touch Him because He already accomplished His mission.

This contradicts Hebrews 9:24

How do you reconcile that?

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

parousia70 said:
I have searched the OT for the term "the Lord's Day" and can't find it used anywhere... plenty of OT uses of it's synonym, the day of the lord, however, and in none of those is it used to refer to the Saturday Sabbath.

What OT scripture(s) are you basing this belief on?

In the OT: There is not an exact phrase that says, “Lord's day” as in reference to the Sabbath, but we do learn that the Lord had rested (stopped from His work) on the seventh day, and set it as a type for the Israelite to keep such a day of rest from their labor six days out of a 7 day week.

10 “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:10-11).

Jesus said He is Lord even of the Sabbath. The weekly Sabbath is a day, and Jesus is Lord over it. It is symbolic of the rest we have in Christ. The Old Saturday Sabbath points us to Jesus Christ and the rest we find in Him via through His death, resurrection, and ascension.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

parousia70 said:
This contradicts Hebrews 9:24

How do you reconcile that?

I do not see how Hebrews 9:24 disproves how Christ ascended two times.
Do you care to elaborate?
I believe Hebrews 7-10 helps support the truth that Christ ascended a first time in John 20:17.

nolidad · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
I believe all days are alike when it comes to worshiping the Lord; So I am not saying it was a command for believers to gather on Sunday. But in the early church, they did gather on Sunday. My point is that the Lord's day simply is Sunday because that is the truth we see in NT Scripture. That was the point of the Scriptures I posted (if you were to carefully examine them). But you are convinced of your own interpretation based on being an expert in the Greek. I just read and believe my Bible in the English with the King James Bible. No need to not believe what I read.

1. All days are alike
2. I agree it was not a command
3. Every day is the Lords day! The early church met on Sunday because it was a tradition, not a command, and also because the early church was all Jews and they met on Saturday night (Sunday in Jewish reckoning!
4. I let the language tell me what to believe. I translate and not interpret.
5. I did read your scriptures and they do not call Sunday the "Lords Day" as if there was a special significance of the first day of the week.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

nolidad said:
1. All days are alike
2. I agree it was not a command

We agree on these two above points.

3. Every day is the Lords day!

No it isn't. If such were the case, then John would write,

“I was in the Spirit on some unspecified day of the week, which is the Lord's day,”
(Revelation 1:10).

The fact that John marks this day with a specific name pins it down as a specific day.
To say so otherwise is to ignore basic English. But you favor a language that nobody really knows today and make guesses as to what it is saying based upon men who wrote a dictionary many many many years after that language was dead. I just believe my Bible was preserved in our world language today because that is the promise of Scripture (Psalms 12:6-7).

You said:
The early church met on Sunday because it was a tradition,

The church at Corinth and Galatia were commanded to gather on the first day of the week (See: 1 Corinthians 16:1-2). But yes, this does not necessarily mean that this command was for all believers throughout time or for today because the point was so that they were not to do any collections when he (Paul) visited them. Things have changed in these last days, and the early church is no longer in existence like it used to be (with the apostles, and the confirming of the Word with signs following). While I imagine God would like for us to still gather on Sunday, we are also living in the last days (See: 2 Timothy 3:1-9). I believe today, that narrow way that Jesus talked about is more narrow than people think.

You said:
not a command, and also because the early church was all Jews and they met on Saturday night (Sunday in Jewish reckoning!

No. While the early church did start off with Jews, it did include later Gentile believers like Timothy, and Cornelius, etc.

You said:
4. I let the language tell me what to believe. I translate and not interpret.

You go by what some scholar says that language says. Jesus said to beware of the scribes. The scribes are those who tran-scribes the Law or the Scriptures. So we are not to implicity just trust any scholar who writes some Greek dictionary. This is why it is important to just receive the Word of God simply like believing Psalms 12:6-7 plainly in what it says.

You said:
5. I did read your scriptures and they do not call Sunday the "Lords Day" as if there was a special significance of the first day of the week.

The verses I pointed out in the OP are not so obvious in the way that you suggest. They are not the kind of verses that hits a person over the head saying, “The Lord's day is Sunday.” But I did show in red lettering the connection of those words “first day” with Christ's resurrection, and Him being called Lord. Is not the day of Christ's resurrection the Lord's special day that we celebrate? I believe it is. We see Christians gathering on that very day no doubt in honor to the Lord's day (the first day of the week when they discovered His empty tomb) even in Scripture.

nolidad · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
“I was in the Spirit on some unspecified day of the week, which is the Lord's day,”
(Revelation 1:10).

Sorry but if John was describing Sunday he would not have used Lord as an adjective. It would have been a noun!

This is the only time the phrase :The Lords Day" is used. Saturday is the only day the Lord hallowed in Scripture and then He made it as part of His Covenant with Israel.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

nolidad said:
Sorry but if John was describing Sunday he would not have used Lord as an adjective. It would have been a noun!

The word “Lord” in English is a noun.
Not sure what Greek dictionary your reading, but Jesus said to beware of the scribes and not to implicitly trust them. Believe God's Word is preserved for our day (See: Psalms 12:6-7 in the KJV).

You said:
This is the only time the phrase :The Lords Day" is used. Saturday is the only day the Lord hallowed in Scripture and then He made it as part of His Covenant with Israel.

This was true of the Old Covenant, but not the New Covenant. The Lord's day in the New Covenant was Christ rising from the grave and ascending to the Father so as to be our Heavenly High Priest. It's the Lord's day because it was the day the Lord was risen, and the day Christians have chosen to celebrate in worshiping the Lord. In fact, Revelation chapter 1 even alludes to Christ's resurrection in the fact that He forever lives (Revelation 1:18).

Running2win · Aug 11, 2020

Albion said:
"Seems to be?"

Well, we could speculate all day, but you still have to ask why none of the many branches of Christianity--Catholic, Orthodox, Reformed, etc.--agree, if it's that clear cut? Or even likely.

Why are all those people wrong when they can and do read the same book of the Bible as anyone else can?

When any of us gets some insight, or thinks he has, that puts some of the Bible's information into a new light, we need to ask ourselves why we are alone in that conclusion? This is not to say that this approach applies to the great disputes of Christian history like Salvation by Faith vs Works, the nature of the Trinity, or etc. But when we come up with something new and we are on the wrong side of almost everyone, a double-check, taking a long second look, is warranted.

That is why I'm not dogmatic.

But How do you explain why Jesus told Mary this, and what He told her to tell all the disciples before He saw them that very same night?

It makes sense He ascended to do the high priest thing and sprinkle the blood IMO, then was good to go with people touching Him later that day. The context is that same day. So this was a hidden thing, like the high priest going into the holy place by himself. (Hebrews 7-10)

6Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means, Teacher). 17Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”

Then notice the difference at evening, here and in Luke:

9So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

36While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them.

Hebrews 9,
15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. 19For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

Running2win said:
6Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means, Teacher). 17Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”

Corrupted Modern Translations say “Stop clinging to Me” in John 20:17.
In the KJV: Jesus says, “Touch me not;” (John 20:17).

The difference here is immense. One shows a picture of Mary already touching and holding on to Jesus, and the other picture shows Jesus telling her not to touch Him before He ascends to the Father. Jesus needed to be undefiled in finishing His mission. He couldn't let anyone touch Him because He needed to enter the holy temple in Heaven still and become our Heavenly High Priest.

You said:
Then notice the difference at evening, here and in Luke:

9So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

36While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43and He took it and ate it before them.

Hebrews 9,
15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. 19For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

I agree with the rest of what you wrote here with Scripture.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

Running2win said:
That is why I'm not dogmatic.

Dogmatic:
adjective:

/dôɡˈmadik/
inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true.

Source:
Dogmatic | Definition of Dogmatic by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Dogmatic

Well, I am dogmatic on this point or issue, and many other things in Scripture. For it's just trusting and believing what Scripture says.

The Liturgist · Aug 11, 2020

Albion said:
Jesus rose on the first day, and that is why a later verse in the Bible says that the early Christians met for worship on Sunday. However, he did not ascend to the Father on the same day as he rose from the grave.

Indeed, He ascended on a Thursday, but liturgically the Ascension is not as big a deal as the Resurrection, particularly when we consider St. Elias had ascended previously, whereas no one had ever come back from the dead. The victory of our Lord over death is literally the Good News.

nolidad · Aug 11, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
The word “Lord” in English is a noun.
Not sure what Greek dictionary your reading, but Jesus said to beware of the scribes and not to implicitly trust them. Believe God's Word is preserved for our day (See: Psalms 12:6-7 in the KJV).

Well as English is not the language the bible was written in- we should be careful! I am a huge fan of teh KJV but it is not infallible as the original autographs are!

We can translate th original manuscripts into correct English, but we cannot take an English bible and translate it back into the original or oldest manuscripts and make them match!

So if teh original inspired writers wrote Lord as an adjective, it is necessary for us to do so as well! They were inspired to write, translators not as much.

robycop3 · Aug 11, 2020

I believe Jesus rose on Saturday, just before sunset.
Why?

Becuse that'd be 3 days & nights since he died. In Matt. 28, we see He had already risen when the angel rolled the stone from the tomb entrance, & the guards fainted. The angel told the women He was already risen & was going to Galilee.

That does NOT counter the fact that Sunday became the Christian worship day. No one had seen Jesus rise, including the guards, who were "at peace" til the earthquake. No humans knew He'd risen til the angel told the women.

Bible Highlighter · Aug 11, 2020

nolidad said:
Well as English is not the language the bible was written in- we should be careful! I am a huge fan of teh KJV but it is not infallible as the original autographs are!

But we don't have the original autographs. So either God's Word was preserved for us to trust today or it wasn't preserved. I choose to believe it was preserved as Psalms 12:6-7 says in the KJV.

You said:
We can translate th original manuscripts into correct English, but we cannot take an English bible and translate it back into the original or oldest manuscripts and make them match!

Unless you are for the Textus Receptus (TR), I believe you are looking in the wrong place.

There are two major lines of manuscripts in use today.
The KJV which comes from the TR, and the Modern Translations which primarily come from Westcott and Hort's corrupted Greek NT text.

You said:
So if teh original inspired writers wrote Lord as an adjective, it is necessary for us to do so as well! They were inspired to write, translators not as much.

What verse do the apostles specifically say that the word “Lord” is an adjective?
They don't. You are trusting some Greek dictionary to come to that conclusion.

The Lord's Day is Sunday.

What day do you believe is the “Lord's Day” in Revelation 1:10?

Sunday

Saturday

Some other day of the week

It's not talking about a day of the week

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