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I guess like me? I am amillennial. We best not judge each other on eschatological views.
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Judging pre mil is not cool. I agree. No one should declare a theology and then stake their death on it. Saying the church goes past the time the God decreed, is being "Dispensational". Trying to say a literal dispensation is only symbolic and happens when we say it happens, is claiming a very strong dispensational point. I accept there is one last Millennium, because God’s Word declares one. Not because I am defending a dispensational theology. Such theology tends to make claims on how God makes covenants with humanity.

In context of the entire Bible, such theology is a mute point. This time is the end of sin and death for Adam's punishment. This end trumps all covenants church theology has burdened us with. God will no longer be working with fallen dead humans. Flesh and blood corruptible bodies will come to an end. After Armageddon this earth will have resurrected incorruptible humans, who still reproduce in a natural biological manner. This will be a new existence in the point a sin nature no longer exist. Nor will Satan be neccessary. His old job of the deceiving serpent will no longer be applicable. Nor accusing humans before God will be necessary, because Christ will rule in person.

It is beyond reason that some try to change God's plans because God does not fit into their human understanding. Instead of taking all of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, they are stuck on who or what the church and Israel are. Nit picking why the sand on their small beach is not comparable to their neighbors beach. Sand is sand. A covenant is a covenant. Yet God is God, and trumps creation.

So I am not judging. Just pointing out the facts of the foolish. Some foolish claim God does not exist. Some declare 1000 years does not exist. Now some are more foolish than others. Saying dispensations do not exist is contrary to Paul in Ephesians 1, as he associates time to the dispensation of God. Now hearts are probably in the right place, and this is not outright rebellion against God, therefore judgment is only applied after the fact. Unfortunately then it is too late. Not warning others of coming judgment is declared a sin. Ezekiel 33. James 4:17
 
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The prophetic Scriptures clearly predict that the Third Temple will be built and the sacrifices reinstated, in the final years leading up to the Return of the Messiah. It is clear, too, that there will be more than just the Jewish people living in the Land of Greater Israel. All the Israelites from all 12 tribes of Israel, plus those grafted in, will migrate to New Israel soon after the next prophesied event: the Sixth Seal - Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the terrible Day of fire and storms, that will clear and cleanse most of the Middle East. Zephaniah 1

The place of the new Temple, will be to the North of the existing Dome of the Rock, because this is in the direct line of the now sealed Eastern gate. The Bible, the Torah, and Josephus, all agree that the Temple was in that location.


The Jewish sage, Moses Maimonides, known as Rambam, declared that the Temple will be rebuilt and the exiles from around the world gathered back into the Promised Land.
The Messiah will appear and re-establish the glory of King David.

In the Talmud Yerushalmi, Rabbi Acha says; The Beit Hamikdash [Holy Temple] will be built first, before the advent of the Kingdom of David.

The Pnei Moshe states; The Land will be settled first, then the people will become prosperous, after that they will build the Temple and finally, the Messiah will come.

In the Mar’eh Punim the Gaon Moshe Margolis wrote that when Jacob predicted the future of Judah, he foretold that the Temple would be rebuilt first, then the Messiah would come. But the Jews are not prophesied to build the new Temple.


The whole scenario of the end times, has a logical sequence to it. Now in the latter days,, we can see how things are happening that will see a confederation of Islamic states and entities that will be motivated to get rid of the ‘ cancer ‘ in their midst, that is the State of Israel. The moment of their attack, is the moment that God will intervene. This great Day of the Lord, will take the form of a natural event: a Coronal Mass Ejection, a massive sunstrike of cosmic particles, causing intense heat and electrical storms. The attacking armies will be destroyed by their own weaponry, as they all explode before firing. This literally fulfils the prayer in Psalms 83:13-18

Many prophesies speak of the regeneration of the Land of Greater Israel, “in a very short while”, Isaiah 29:17, after this great clearance and cleansing of the entire area.

Christian Israelites- “His people, who love the Lord and follow in His ways” will then gather “on the mountains of Samaria”. This is described in Ezekiel 20:34-38, Psalms 107

Over 40 prophesies describe how God’s holy people, every faithful Christian, will live in peace and security in their own Land. At last, they will be as God originally intended, “a light to the nations”, they will “exemplify My Holiness for all to see”. Ezekiel 39:27-29 [The attack by Gog/ Magog will come during this period]

WE will build the Third Temple, and “the splendor of this latter House will surpass that of the former”. Haggai 2:9 and the Shekinah Glory of God will reside in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
Zechariah 8:9-13 has wonderful promises of restoration and redemption; Courage! Do not lose heart!
 
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Reference please.



That sort of hits at my question, because it is written that it will be a holy place the antichrist can desecrate. How can the antichrist desecrate something that is not holy from God's perspective?



Yes.



Agreed, and yet the text still leaves us with questions not yet answered.

Jr
1st John 2:18
 
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What are they doing here?
I put in their belief about the new Temple, as a matter of interest. Ignore them as you wish.
But don't ignore Bible prophesies like these:
WE will build the Third Temple, and “the splendor of this latter House will surpass that of the former”. Haggai 2:9 and the Shekinah Glory of God will reside in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
Zechariah 8:9-13 has wonderful promises of restoration and redemption; Courage! Do not lose heart!
 
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Revelation depicts the end of the world 7 times. But not one of them depicts a millennial kingdom or temple preceding the end. Millennialism hijacked the gospel of the kingdom Jesus preached and turned it into a false gospel originating in Phariseeism.

The end of this false gospel is apostasy when they call for a return to animal sacrifices which is an unforgivable sin according to Hebrews 6. Do you intend to offer animal sacrifices? If so, you probably have already crossed the line.
 
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Revelation depicts the end of the world 7 times. But not one of them depicts a millennial kingdom or temple preceding the end. Millennialism hijacked the gospel of the kingdom Jesus preached and turned it into a false gospel originating in Phariseeism.

The end of this false gospel is apostasy when they call for a return to animal sacrifices which is an unforgivable sin according to Hebrews 6. Do you intend to offer animal sacrifices? If so, you probably have already crossed the line.
Proof of your errors and confusion about what God requires and what will happen, is saying the world will end.
This earth will last forever; Eccl 1:4, Ephesians 4:1, Isaiah 45:18

Offerings and atonements will be made in a new Temple. Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 45:13-25
In Daniel 9:27, it says the sacrifices and offerings will be stopped by the leader of the World Govt. They must have started, to be stopped.

You are wrong and making unfounded accusations compounds your mistakes.
 
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Where eschatology is concerned, we have been puzzled over the things said about the third temple, about the antichrist desecrating that temple.

How can that third temple have any descriptor as being "holy" when it is well established that we who are in Christ Jesus are the temples. When that veil was ripped down the middle, and thus exposing the place where the Lord once dwelt, buildings constructed by the hands of men no longer were holy by virtue of the dwelling place of the Lord.

How is it, then, that ANY place on this earth, in the post-cross era, be "desecrated" that's no longer the special dwelling place of the presence of the Lord. Was John's inspiration, to write those things that SEEM to indicate that place as truly holy from God's perspective, meant to point more toward the perspective of the Jews? If so, then I'm wondering why he didn't express that thought clearly.

It's one thing for the antichrist to proclaim himself God, and thus demand worship, but quite another that he did so in what will allegedly be a holy place.

I've read where some speculated that the designation of "holy" is actually a reference to the hearts of people moreso than the stone temple itself. The text doesn't seem to point in that direction as being merely allegorical.

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Jr
There’s no scripture calling the third temple Holy.

It’s jews who are trying to keep the ended old covenant law that requires animal sacrifice, who build the third temple, not realizing that covenant ended, which is why God let the 2nd temple be destroyed.

God doesn’t authorize it, but prophecy tells us it’s coming, and that the beast called the Antichrist will step into it and claim to be God.

The tribulation is about unbelieving Jews who reject Jesus as their Christ, having to deal with the false messiah- the anti-Christ.
 
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We need to pay more attention to what God's Word says, not what secular government, premillennialists, or Jerusalem Post says. Of course, there are talking among Israel government, Christian Zionism, and Jerusalem Post, about building a temple of the Jews on Temple Mount. The physical city of Jerusalem in the Middle East is NOT the focus of Bible prophecies as most believe because the prophecies point to Christ's New Testament Congregation, the only Holy Temple on this side of the Cross is already taking place.
The third temple is never called Holy.

End time prophecy is all about Jerusalem and Israel.

The OT prophetical books and NT writings are all about Jerusalem, and Israel - literal Israel and Jerusalem.

In Ezekiel the dry bones are the nation Israel coming back to life.

In Zechariah 14 when Jesus returns to Mount Olive with all the saints (just as Acts 1 said He would return there), it’s to save Jerusalem from attack and Jesus destroys the armies of all the nations that are destroying the city - those left alive must go up to the city to worship God, who will dwell there forever - cross reference Revelation ch 21.

In Romans 11, we find Jacob (Israel) is ungodly and in unbelief until their deliverer comes, then all Israel alive to see Jesus return, will realize He is their messiah, and believe in Him, and be saved.
 
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The OT prophetical books and NT writings are all about Jerusalem, and Israel - literal Israel and Jerusalem.
We know about literal Jerusalem and all of the holy Land.
But you seem to be unaware of who are the true Israelites. The Bible clearly delineates between the House of Israel and the House of Judah, they separated in ancient times and have not rejoined as per Ezekiel 37, as yet.
Many prophesies tell of the Judgment/punishment of Judah, Amos 2:2-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, + , and of the blessing to Israel, who are now all the Christian peoples. Rev 5:9-10
The third temple is never called Holy.
But it is, when the Shekinah glory of God comes into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
Only when the Anti-Christ conquers the holy people; the faithful Christians living in all of the holy Land, Daniel 7:25 & Revelation 13:7, will God's glory leave the Temple.
Then when Jesus Returns, the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated.
 
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Where eschatology is concerned, we have been puzzled over the things said about the third temple, about the antichrist desecrating that temple.

How can that third temple have any descriptor as being "holy" when it is well established that we who are in Christ Jesus are the temples. When that veil was ripped down the middle, and thus exposing the place where the Lord once dwelt, buildings constructed by the hands of men no longer were holy by virtue of the dwelling place of the Lord.

How is it, then, that ANY place on this earth, in the post-cross era, be "desecrated" that's no longer the special dwelling place of the presence of the Lord. Was John's inspiration, to write those things that SEEM to indicate that place as truly holy from God's perspective, meant to point more toward the perspective of the Jews? If so, then I'm wondering why he didn't express that thought clearly.

It's one thing for the antichrist to proclaim himself God, and thus demand worship, but quite another that he did so in what will allegedly be a holy place.

I've read where some speculated that the designation of "holy" is actually a reference to the hearts of people moreso than the stone temple itself. The text doesn't seem to point in that direction as being merely allegorical.

Thoughts?

Jr

Our philosophizing doesn't mean anything. What God's written Word says is the Measure of all things.

I think Lord Jesus has been very good to those of us who actually 'listen' to Him about endtime events, and not to men. If you heed His Word as written, you will discover what He showed about a final false one coming to Jerusalem to do idol worship in a standing Jewish temple for the end. That false one isn't just only going to setup an idol abomination in a temple there, he is going to work great signs and wonders that if possible, would even deceive Christ's very elect (Matthew 24:23-26). Clearly, you are not ready for that, nor is the majority of the world, and especially not the orthodox Jews who will help him to power as king.
 
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this verse is meant for those following false teachings

Time is very short please head this request

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Must define who "her" is
 
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But it is, when the Shekinah glory of God comes into it.


"Shekinah" is the false idea of the "feminine aspect of God", which is not found in the Bible. It is an Orthodox Jewish fable, which is revealed in the video below.
We need to quit repeating the errors that come from the mouths of men.




The third temple is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.
I have handled some of the stones from that temple.
I also know the location of the "chief cornerstone" of that temple.

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"Shekinah" is the false idea of the "feminine aspect of God", which is not found in the Bible. It is an Orthodox Jewish fable, which is revealed in the video below.
We need to quit repeating the errors that come from the mouths of men.

The third temple is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.
I have handled some of the stones from that temple.
I also know the location of the "chief cornerstone" of that temple .
Ezekiel 43:1-4 is not from 'the mouths of men'.
It prophesies how the glory of God will enter the new Temple. Which will be built by the Christian peoples, not the Jews. Zechariah 6:15
 
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Our philosophizing doesn't mean anything. What God's written Word says is the Measure of all things.

I think Lord Jesus has been very good to those of us who actually 'listen' to Him about endtime events, and not to men. If you heed His Word as written, you will discover what He showed about a final false one coming to Jerusalem to do idol worship in a standing Jewish temple for the end. That false one isn't just only going to setup an idol abomination in a temple there, he is going to work great signs and wonders that if possible, would even deceive Christ's very elect (Matthew 24:23-26). Clearly, you are not ready for that, nor is the majority of the world, and especially not the orthodox Jews who will help him to power as king.

The only question remaining is if that is literal or allegorical. Does the man of sin enter into the hearts of his followers and demand worship (allegorically speaking), or do we take the reference to the temple as literal, given that the writer knew full well WE are the temples of the Spirit? Understanding will come with time as the Lord reveals through actual events as they crop up in view. He reveals as he sees fit.

On the other hand, the dogmatic people out there who demand they are absolutely right in their views, they are the ones to avoid.

Jr
 
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Where eschatology is concerned, we have been puzzled over the things said about the third temple, about the antichrist desecrating that temple.

How can that third temple have any descriptor as being "holy" when it is well established that we who are in Christ Jesus are the temples. When that veil was ripped down the middle, and thus exposing the place where the Lord once dwelt, buildings constructed by the hands of men no longer were holy by virtue of the dwelling place of the Lord.

How is it, then, that ANY place on this earth, in the post-cross era, be "desecrated" that's no longer the special dwelling place of the presence of the Lord. Was John's inspiration, to write those things that SEEM to indicate that place as truly holy from God's perspective, meant to point more toward the perspective of the Jews? If so, then I'm wondering why he didn't express that thought clearly.

It's one thing for the antichrist to proclaim himself God, and thus demand worship, but quite another that he did so in what will allegedly be a holy place.

I've read where some speculated that the designation of "holy" is actually a reference to the hearts of people moreso than the stone temple itself. The text doesn't seem to point in that direction as being merely allegorical.

Thoughts?

Jr

If it is built as a house of God, on top of the other 2 temples sites, that is dedicated to the creator of heaven and earth, it can still said to be holy, to be holy is to have something dedicated to God.
 
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The Jews and their secular government fully expect there to be a third temple built. The entry point to the wailing wall now has a 10 foot sign proclaiming the coming rebuilding of the temple. Is it all nonsense, or is it something we can count on? Time will tell, but the fact remains that there is a serious intent to rebuild sometime soon.

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It's not allegorical. The Jews are still a people of God, although they have been placed under partial blindness for a time (Romans 11:25). They will rebuild a literal Temple, and Paul refers to this at the 'temple of God' in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

They are fully prepared to do so at a moment's notice. All material has been obtained, priests named and trained, the Sanhedrin fully functional, initial lamb sacrifices performed, and they are scheduling the sacrifice of the red heifer. It's basically 'GO' time. At this point, if someone denies this temple will be constructed has some serious blinders on.


None of this is true. The "secular government" of Israel has no plans for a third temple. It would involve all kinds of complications, including breaking a treaty with Jordan on the Temple Mount. There is no sign at the Wailing Wall about any imaginary rebuilding of the temple.

Many rabbis oppose any attempt to rebuild the temple for religious reasons. There is no interest in going back to animal sacrifice.

Here's a challenge for anyone who claims there are serious plans to rebuild the temple. Show me one story from the Jerusalem Post that backs up that claim.
 
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None of this is true. The "secular government" of Israel has no plans for a third temple. It would involve all kinds of complications, including breaking a treaty with Jordan on the Temple Mount. There is no sign at the Wailing Wall about any imaginary rebuilding of the temple.

Many rabbis oppose any attempt to rebuild the temple for religious reasons. There is no interest in going back to animal sacrifice.

Here's a challenge for anyone who claims there are serious plans to rebuild the temple. Show me one story from the Jerusalem Post that backs up that claim.

No interest in going back to animal sacrifice? Did you miss the one a year ago during the Seventy Nation Organization Conference? The Temple will be rebuilt when it is time for it to be rebuilt. There will be no 'complications' to stop it when the time comes.
 
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No interest in going back to animal sacrifice? Did you miss the one a year ago during the Seventy Nation Organization Conference? The Temple will be rebuilt when it is time for it to be rebuilt. There will be no 'complications' to stop it when the time comes.

Then show me a news story that mentions the Seventy Nation Organization Conference.


I read the press from Israel. Women praying at the Wailing Wall is controversial. Orthodox and ultra-orthodox rabbis oppose them. Women praying at the Wall are known as Women of the Wall; their opponents have called them Women Off The Wall. On rebuilding the Temple, there is nothing, except the reasons that rabbis object to it.
 
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No interest in going back to animal sacrifice? Did you miss the one a year ago during the Seventy Nation Organization Conference? The Temple will be rebuilt when it is time for it to be rebuilt. There will be no 'complications' to stop it when the time comes.

Except for Divine complications.

Those who scorn the lessons of Scripture and history are condemned to repeat them.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII


Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and opressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.
 
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