THE SABBATH TRUTH!

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother or sister, your profile does not say. Jesus, who saves us, has made the Sabbath a "sign" among us, as He says below, before the incarnation:

I am the Lord your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.” (Ezekiel 20:19-20 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I do not need a holy day in the week as a sign to know that the Lord is my God...I have His Holy Spirit.

You really should give the brother sister routine a rest.
It makes you look like a fake.

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
I do not need a holy day in the week as a sign to know that the Lord is my God...I have His Holy Spirit.

Brother or sister, I don't doubt that the Lord is your God and that you have the Holy Spirit helping you.

antwaniiz said:
You really should give the brother sister routine a rest. It makes you look like a fake.

Are you rebelling against your identity as a person and believe that our church has nothing to offer you? We value all of God's children! I also struggle with being an introvert and wish I was an extrovert when I like a woman and she finds me unpleasant because I lack the practice of being with people, common to extroverts. I would rather be alone than with others until I like a woman, then I wish I had interacted more with others to have more to offer her in terms of social skills.

You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways. Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O Lord, You know it all. You have enclosed me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it. (Psalm 139:3-6 NASB)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
Brother or sister, I don't doubt that the Lord is your God and that you have the Holy Spirit helping you.

Are you rebelling against your identity as a person and believe that our church has nothing to offer you? We value all of God's children! I also struggle with being an introvert and wish I was an extrovert when I like a girl and she finds me unpleasant because I lack the practice of being with people, common to extroverts. I would rather be alone than with others until I like a girl, then I wish I had interacted more with others to have more to offer her in terms of social skills.

You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways. Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O Lord, You know it all. You have enclosed me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it. (Psalm 139:3-6 NASB)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

God judge between you and I.
Now it is up to Him.

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
God judge between you and I.
Now it is up to Him.

Yes brother or sister, I am only here to help, I am not your judge!

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? (James 4:12 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
Yes brother or sister, I am only here to help, I am not your judge!

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? (James 4:12 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

How is it exactly you will help me? Tell me.
Quote to me verses from the bible or something else?

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
How is it exactly you will help me? Tell me.
Quote to me verses from the bible or something else?

How about this one?

I can do all this through him who gives me strength. (Philippians 4:13 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
How about this one?

I can do all this through him who gives me strength. (Philippians 4:13 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Alright...if this is true then you can cease to commit all sin.

Now let us see you walk your talk.
Or you are lying to me.

Serves you right for bothering me with your self righteousness.

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

I have never met a SDA that wasn't self righteous.
And I have met plenty of them in my time here on earth.

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
Alright...if this is true then you can cease to commit all sin. Now let us see you walk your talk. Or you are lying to me. Serves you right for bothering me with your self righteousness.

antwaniiz said:
I have never met a SDA that wasn't self righteous. And I have met plenty of them in my time here on earth.

It works like the example in the Bible when Israel fought against their enemies. As long as they were faithful to God, they won the battle against larger armies, but when they were unfaithful, they lost because they had fewer combatants against a larger force. In all this no one could say that God had taken over their will during the fight, but Israel won somehow.

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit. (John 3:8 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
It works like the example in the Bible when Israel fought against their enemies. As long as they were faithful to God, they won the battle against larger armies, but when they were unfaithful, they lost because they had fewer combatants against a larger force. In all this no one could say that God had taken over their will during the fight, but Israel won somehow.

The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit. (John 3:8 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

This is not going to work for you.

In fact unless you walk the talk you have talked to me...
it shall not go well with you.

But any way...you are on your own I
need not respond to you again on this subject.

All this is now before God.

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
This is not going to work for you. In fact unless you walk the talk you have talked to me... it shall not go well with you. But any way...you are on your own I need not respond to you again on this subject. All this is now before God.

Have you considered my point of view on the Sabbath? Can you see that the first day in Genesis is from first light to light again in the morning and the days after from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning?

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

guevaraj said:
Have you considered my point of view on the Sabbath? Can you see that the first day in Genesis is from first light to light again in the morning and the days after from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning?

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

No, I have not considered anything you have said to me.
Not even the verses from the bible you have quoted to me.

But I did take it all before the living God.
Maybe you should ask Him to consider
what you have said to me.

After all you are responsible for it not me.

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

I am only responsible to God for what I have said
not what you have said.

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

This Sabbath thing is real easy to understand for me.

It is written...
Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,
do all in the name of the Lord Jesus,
giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Now...if you obey this scripture and commandment...
it does not matter what day it is...you will be in the Spirit of the Lord. Therefore everyday is holy every day is the Sabbath for every day is the same...if you
are in word and deed in the name of the Lord.

THIS COVERS EVEN THE SABBATH.

Even on the seventh day you are to in word and deed
do all in the name of Jesus.

So you see...that is all that God requires of me on

MONDAY
SUNDAY
SATURDAY
TUESDAY
WEDNESDAY
THURSDAY
FRIDAY.

THEY ARE ALL HOLY.
Because I am on all seven days in the Spirit of the Lord.

When the commandment by God was given at the time of the seventh day creation
and when Moses gave it to Israel...
THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN TO MAN.

Now since Jesus has came to earth and by Him
the indwelling of the Holy Ghost was given to man....

That is all that is required on the Sabbath...that you be in the Spirit of the Lord.

Nothing more and nothing less.

Do you get it?

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,
do all in the name of the Lord Jesus,
giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

EVEN ON THE SABBATH.

guevaraj · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
I am only responsible to God for what I have said not what you have said.

You seem paralyzed, unable to judge anything, for fear of being judged yourself. This parallels what happened to David with dire consequences for his family. Before David judged many people to death as king, but after his sin with Bathsheba and God's forgiveness, he was no longer attentive to correcting his children and they suffered for it. He did not correct his children because he knew his sin was worthy of death, but the Lord had forgiven him. From then on he stopped being attentive to judging the actions of his children and the lack of correction brought ruin to his family.

If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother takes another to court—and this in front of unbelievers! (1 Corinthians 6:1-6 NIV)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
I always forsake what is not the truth.

Then if you do not mind me asking so I can better understand you, why do you follow a Sunday tradition that is not biblical? Can you provide me a single scripture that says God's 4th commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

For the records the scriptures do not teach anywhere that every day is a holy day. God's Word only teaches that the "seventh day" of the week is a holy day that we are torest on according to the bible at creation and in God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11. So, if you cannot provide a single scripture for Sunday worship why are you following it?

Jesus says if we knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not following God in Matthew 15:3-9. Who then should we believe and follow, the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

antwaniiz said:
And I make no exceptions to it. You will never be able to find any error or flaw in anything I believe because there are none. As of this day no one has ever found any error or flaw in anything I believe. How about you?

God Word tells us in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word he calls us to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. No one knows all there is to know when we come to Jesus. We grow to become more like Jesus as we learn of him and believe and follow his Word. This takes times. For example, we are called babes in Christ when we first believe and accept Jesus. We then grow in the "knowledge" of God's grace through faith in His Word and learn how to follow him through faith. So for this reason and the example provided above in the previous section, I do not believe you know and practice all truth because no one does. Only Jesus knows and practices all truth. We are to grow in grace and truth and the knowledge of God Word and this takes time. Do you know the difference between justification and sanctification?

For me though, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. The scriptures tell us we shall know them by their fruits *Matthew 7:16-20. What do you think 1 John 2:3-4 means?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
Truth is a Spirit, the Spirit of truth.

Actually no dear friend. God's Spirit is the Spirit of truth. The Spirit is not truth. What is truth?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 10, 2020

antwaniiz said:
Everything you do and believe
even the church you profess to be a member of
even the one commandment you quote the most
to everyone who will give you an ear
resolves around one thing...

The seventh day of the week.

So yes I would have to say that
you worship the Sabbath the seventh day of the week more than anything else on this earth.

You look forward every day of every week to that one day of the week and live for it and everything you do is geared for towards it even your plans for the week
as if it was your God. And you believe that those who do not honor your God
the seventh day of the week do not know God.

Am I right so far about you?

I am sorry but I respectfully disagree with you and no you could not be anymore wrong in what you have posted above in regards to what I believe. Let me ask you your view on this here. If someone gets tired and falls asleep on a railway track and the train is coming in 10 mins should we as Christians have a duty of love to wake our brother out of his sleep so he does not get run over by the train and save his life? Now with this in mind what do you think Ezekiel 3:16-21 means? I believe God's people are in every Church living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them but the hour is coming and now is that God is calling his people wherever they may be out from following man made traditions and teachings back to the pure Word of God. Sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's kingdom because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of Gods' grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures those who knowingly and willfully practice sin (break God's commandments) and those who do not is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

God bless.

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Then if you do not mind me asking so I can better understand you, why do you follow a Sunday tradition that is not biblical?

I do not follow any tradition not even on Sunday. It is not I that is going to answer for what you believe but you. Do not assume what I believe...it will not be correct.

antwaniiz · Aug 10, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I am sorry but I respectfully disagree with you and no you could not be anymore wrong in what you have posted above in regards to what I believe. Let me ask you your view on this here. If someone gets tired and falls asleep on a railway track and the train is coming in 10 mins should we as Christians have a duty of love to wake our brother out of his sleep so he does not get run over by the train and save his life? Now with this in mind what do you think Ezekiel 3:16-21 means? I believe God's people are in every Church living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them but the hour is coming and now is that God is calling his people wherever they may be out from following man made traditions and teachings back to the pure Word of God. Sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's kingdom because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of Gods' grace *Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures those who knowingly and willfully practice sin (break God's commandments) and those who do not is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

God bless.

I do not care if you disagree with me..I know I am right.
And it is before the living God.

That is who you must convince you are right.
Not me.

God is going to judge in my favor and I know it.
So...cheerio.

THE SABBATH TRUTH!

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