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Brother, happy Sabbath! We know that the Sabbath in Israel is from "evening" to "evening" and that this period has two parts divided by a morning that God called "day" and "night" below.

God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day. (Genesis 1:5 NIV)​

How would you say the beginning and end of the 12-hour period that God called "day" above if I give you the period that God called "night" from evening to morning? Is it not the mirrored half from morning to evening?

Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light. (John 11:9 NIV)​

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Thank you for the happy Sabbath. Same to you as well. According to the scriptures (e.g. Genesis 1:5) the evening (night) is the first part of the day which comprises both darkness (night) and day (light). Day length (light and darkness) is determined by the seasons. A full day according to the scriptures simply comprises the night darkness and the day light according to the scriptures.
 
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Thank you for the happy Sabbath. Same to you as well. According to the scriptures (e.g. Genesis 1:5) the evening (night) is the first part of the day which comprises both darkness (night) and day (light). Day length (light and darkness) is determined by the seasons. A full day according to the scriptures simply comprises the night darkness and the day light according to the scriptures.

This is truly Biblical Truth and aligns perfectly with the very Nature of God's Creation of and regarding the Earth. Darkness came first, then light. Ignorance comes first, then knowledge. Transgression comes first, then atonement. Child comes first, than maturity. Stranger comes first, then friendship. Mortal comes first, then immortality. Six days of work comes first, then rest. A child starts their life in darkness, then brought into the light. The seed dies first, plant life follows.

We are all in darkness first, then comes the Glorious light.

Like a river of flowing water, God's Ways and Words flow together towards the same destination, the salvation of OUR souls. If we could just believe Him.
 
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Brother, there is a different word used in Exodus 20:11 than the one used in Genesis 1:1. They are not the same. The word translated as "made" in Exodus 20:11 means "prepared" and not "created" as in Genesis 1:1. "Prepared" as in the Abraham passage below.

So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.” Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare (asah) it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared (asah), and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. (Genesis 18:6-8 NIV)​

The word "made" in Exodus 20:11 is "asah" as previously translated as "prepare" and not "bara'" as below means "created". In six days the earth was "prepared" and not "created" during the creation week.

In the beginning God created (bara') the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1 NIV)​

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Are you preaching the Earth created itself, and God simply prepared it for His Purpose?

Are you still preaching to others that Adam and Eve were created immortal?

Would it not be prudent to determine, according to Scriptures, who created the Earth?

And likewise, would it not be very important to determine if God created Adam & Eve immortal?

Are these not also important foundational elements in understanding God's Word?
 
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Thank you for the happy Sabbath. Same to you as well. According to the scriptures (e.g. Genesis 1:5) the evening (night) is the first part of the day which comprises both darkness (night) and day (light). Day length (light and darkness) is determined by the seasons. A full day according to the scriptures simply comprises the night darkness and the day light according to the scriptures.
Are you preaching the Earth created itself, and God simply prepared it for His Purpose? Are you still preaching to others that Adam and Eve were created immortal? Would it not be prudent to determine, according to Scriptures, who created the Earth? And likewise, would it not be very important to determine if God created Adam & Eve immortal? Are these not also important foundational elements in understanding God's Word?
Brothers, happy Sabbath! The word "evening" is not the same as the word "night" nor is the word "morning" the same as the word "day" that God named as the two parts of the first day. To be clear, God did not say at the end of the first day: and it was night and it was day, the first day as forced is God to have said to defend a Jewish tradition. God used other words that do not mean the same: and there was evening and there was morning, the first day, because He has nothing to report during the night and limited His creating to the first 12-hours of light each day of creation week.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

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Brothers, happy Sabbath! The word "evening" is not the same as the word "night" nor is the word "morning" the same as the word "day" that God named as the two parts of the first day. To be clear, God did not say at the end of the first day: and it was night and it was day, the first day as forced is God to have said to defend a Jewish tradition. God used other words that do not mean the same: and there was evening and there was morning, the first day, because He has nothing to report during the night and limited His creating to the first 12-hours of light each day of creation week.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

My friend,

You are asking me to believe that God gave Israel a different Sabbath than the one HE sanctified in Creation. That Jesus walked in Jewish Traditions and not in the Sabbath HE created for man. Your only evidence, it seems, is an interpretation of ONE verse from the NIV Translation, and the belief that God has revealed to you, truths HE did not even reveal to His Son Jesus.

So surely you can see how a true seeker of the Truth would pose questions in an effort to discern this new doctrine.

But when I ask you questions, it seems you ignore them and reply as if I didn't even ask them. This is a very common practice among religious men of all sects. Except for LGW who always centers his reply around the questions that others ask him.

I want to understand your religious position and am really trying to discern them. But it becomes difficult when you won't address the questions I pose.

So please engage with a brother who wants to understand you.

Is it your position that God created the earth? Or did it just always exist and God simply prepared it for His Purpose?

Is it still your position that God Created Adam and Eve Immortal as you stated recently?

And you posted that Eve was created Righteous. If she was created Righteous, then how could she be unrighteous? Isn't it true that God created Adam and Eve with the ability to "choose" Righteousness or Evil?

The reason for these questions is to establish the foundation of your religious beliefs, which seems important to me if I am expected to turn away from a Sabbath that has taught me so much for so many years.

Surely you can understand this.
 
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My friend, You are asking me to believe that God gave Israel a different Sabbath than the one HE sanctified in Creation. That Jesus walked in Jewish Traditions and not in the Sabbath HE created for man. Your only evidence, it seems, is an interpretation of ONE verse from the NIV Translation, and the belief that God has revealed to you, truths HE did not even reveal to His Son Jesus.
Brother, the Sabbath given to Israel is the same first Sabbath that God kept in Genesis that we have not understood. You think it is different because you have not understood it. The Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week. God made holy the specific seventh day of Eden and separated the time of the Sabbath in the Eden time zone, separate from the week. God did not give Israel a different Sabbath, He gave Israel the same Sabbath that He rested on at the end of creation week that we have not fully understood because we have assumed that the first Sabbath was also from evening to evening, when it was from morning to morning.
So surely you can see how a true seeker of the Truth would pose questions in an effort to discern this new doctrine. But when I ask you questions, it seems you ignore them and reply as if I didn't even ask them. This is a very common practice among religious men of all sects. Except for LGW who always centers his reply around the questions that others ask him.
I find the topic difficult for people to understand and it takes time to explain. Going off on a tangent will not help keep the subject clear.
I want to understand your religious position and am really trying to discern them. But it becomes difficult when you won't address the questions I pose. So please engage with a brother who wants to understand you. Is it your position that God created the earth? Or did it just always exist and God simply prepared it for His Purpose?
God created the earth before, an unspecified time before the creation week.
Is it still your position that God Created Adam and Eve Immortal as you stated recently?
This is a tangent that will exhaust the reader who wants to understand the Sabbath. If you open another thread on this topic or any other, I will answer you there.
And you posted that Eve was created Righteous. If she was created Righteous, then how could she be unrighteous? Isn't it true that God created Adam and Eve with the ability to "choose" Righteousness or Evil?
She started out righteous through obedience, her righteousness comes from God, as long as she obeys Him, she remains righteous.
The reason for these questions is to establish the foundation of your religious beliefs, which seems important to me if I am expected to turn away from a Sabbath that has taught me so much for so many years. Surely you can understand this.
It is better to stay focused and not breach other topics at the same time that can drain the reader who wants to understand the Sabbath. We can talk about other things in other threads.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, the Sabbath given to Israel is the same first Sabbath that God kept in Genesis that we have not understood. You think it is different because you have not understood it. The Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week. God made holy the specific seventh day of Eden and separated the time of the Sabbath in the Eden time zone, separate from the week.

Do you have any Biblical Support for the teaching that the Day or week in Adam's time was different than the week or day in our time? Or is this just knowledge that has been revealed to a special few SDA members? If you have any Biblical Support, can you please pass it along to me. I don't want to be keeping the wrong Sabbath.

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God did not give Israel a different Sabbath, He gave Israel the same Sabbath that He rested on at the end of creation week that we have not fully understood because we have assumed that the first Sabbath was also from evening to evening, when it was from morning to morning.
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So then, regarding this formally unknown revelation that God has blessed you with, did the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh, also falsely assume HIS Sabbaths were to be observed from Evening to Evening?


Lev. 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

It seems odd that God would tell Israel to observe a Sabbath He didn't understand. Even more odd when of all the Prophesies, all the Word's of the Prophets, there is NOT ONE Prophesy, not ONE WARNING to Israel that they didn't understand God's Sabbaths, only that they polluted, despised, and rejected them.

Surely you can understand how difficult it is to believe your assertions given what the Holy Scriptures actually say.

Gen. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8."And the evening and the morning were the second day".
13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Did He only rest when the morning came? Or also the Evening? Why didn't God just have Moses write "And the Morning and the Evening were the first day".

Where is there even a hint that the length, beginning or structure of the 7th day is any different than the length, beginning or structure of the other 6 days? Please provide Word's from the Holy Scriptures to support this doctrine, other than one sentence from the NIV.

It seems quite simple to understand why the Christ and Moses assumed God's Day began at Evening, and that God's Sabbath begins on the Evening of the 7th day and goes to the Evening of the First Day of the week. A child can read and see this.

But now you are teaching that it has been revealed to you that all this time, Jesus and Moses were talking about a Sabbath Day they didn't understand.

Is it possible the religious men who taught you this doctrine may be the ones who don't understand the Lord's Sabbath?
 
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Israel was already guilty of sin in Egypt. The Passover Lamb, which symbolized the Blood of Christ, was given for them while they were yet in sin (Egypt). So even before Israel rebelled against God after He took them out of Egypt, the Blood of Christ was shed for them Spiritually. Even if they had repented and obeyed like Caleb and Joshua and Abraham did, Jesus would still have had to come from heaven to earth to fulfill the promise of the Passover for Abraham's, Abel's and Noah's sin regardless of Israel's rebellion to Him.

"IF" Jesus had not come to fulfill HIS Role as the Passover Lamb, Abraham's sins could not have been cleansed.
Absolutely correct Studyman. The question then becomes why do Sabbatarians tell us we are obligated to observe the Sabbath and even the feasts? One group even goes so far as to tell us we cannot be saved unless we keep their version of the Sabbath, something they an't even do. There is no evidence that Abraham kept the Sabbaths but the Blood of Jesus covered His sins. Why is it you call all the Christians who do not subscribe to your theories "popular religion" like it is something to scorn? Your belief that Abraham had all the laws that Israel had except a covenant with the tribe of Levi is not Biblical, so it is just a mere unproven theory. For me to believe anything that others teach has to have Biblical proof. So far all I have seen is theories.

That is a popular religion that is promoted in the religions of this land. But it omits so much that is written. Caleb and Joshua were faithful. And so was Zachariah and Simeon and Anna. So were all the faithful examples of the Bible. Did they slip and fall as all children do, yes. But they didn't create their own religion, despise and pollute God's Sabbaths, create their own images of God in the likeness of some handsome man or a golden calf. They Lived, as Jesus instructed, by Every Word of God. As faithful servants. As children of obedience.
Now you are making up something. This "popular religion" thing, just who are the popular religionists? Why hide behind your made up name for people you won't name?

Create their own religion??? Because we do not follow your religious beliefs we are creating our own religion? That surely a slap in the face and adds another nail as to not following your advice.

God's Laws were not a Yoke of Bondage to these faithful examples in the Holy Scriptures. Jesus never once implied that God's Commandments were somehow a "Yoke of Bondage" placed on the necks of men. He said to be perfect even as His father was perfect. This same Christ as the Word of God told Israel His Commandments were right there for them, and that they most certainly could obey them, as Caleb and Joshua demonstrate in the Examples God had written for us.
Yet no matter how righteous they may have been they still fell short, they sinned.

So "IF" God placed laws impossible to obey, HE would not have told them they could obey them. Unless you believe God lied to them and deceived them.
Oh they were possible to keep if any man was perfect and didn't carry the genes of Adam.
If God thought they could have kept all the laws He gave them perfectly why did He commission the tribe of Levi to kill innocent animals as sacrifice for the sins of ALL the people?


Gal. 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

It is a religious deception to preach that before we accepted the Christ of the Bible as our savior, we were "Entangled with God's Laws". It is a cleaver deception, but untrue just the same. The Yoke of Bondage we were entangled in are the deceptions and religions of the World. Doctrine and traditions of men, not the Word's of the Holy Christ.
I don't believe for a moment that Paul was teaching that the yoke of bondage was something other that the laws of the Sinai covenant. That is your deception.

Gal 5: 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is required to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Yes, hammer everyone with scripture instead of expressing how you feel about those who do not live according to your dictates.

It is not God's Laws and instructions that plague mankind, it is listening to all the "other" voices in the garden, and choosing them over God's.
Other voices like Paul, Jesus ambassador? The laws that God placed on Israel came to an end when Israel broke the covenant and God replaced that covenant with the new and better covenant of Grace and mercy, the everlasting covenant that gives eternal life to those who believe in Jesus and love their fellow man as Jesus loves us.

When a man denies himself, and follows the Christ of the Bible in Faith/belief as instructed, He frees us from these deceptions, He doesn't free us from His own instructions.. At least not the Christ of the Bible.
All I can say is everyone included should examine their selves.

Jn 15: 9 ‘As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 1Jn 3: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth.......23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them.

Are you telling us that you know Him and the "popular religions" don't. That to me is pretty close to making a judgment.

It wasn't the Law that caused Israel to need repentance and forgiveness, or the need to be saved from Egypt. It was their ignorance of God's Ways, that caused them to cry out in Egypt, and their rejection of God's ways which caused their fall.
That paragraph is all over the place. No because they didn't have the Law when in Egypt. They cried out because of the treatment the Egyptians were inflicting.

That would mean every soul that ever lived. There were/are none righteous, all are sinners.

Who are the righteous in this Christ's eyes??
Those of us who believe Jesus is our Savior and love our fellow man as Jesus has asked us to do. We show our love by how we treat the least of those among us and not by the observing the ritual of a past covenant.

Sure he need repentance just like me. All are sinners. I am righteous in the eyes of God because of my Savior. I presume Zach was too.

Was the Spirit of Christ lying to us through Luke?
Silly question

Did this same Christ lie to us in the Law and Prophets?
Silly question


Where is the Yoke of Bondage you speak of?
Read the writings of Paul and if it is a mystery to you he will unlock it.




Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Sinai covenant) and from fornication,(Sinai covenant) and from things strangled, (Sinai covenant) and from blood. (Sinai covenant)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, (Sinai covenant) being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So "IF" the entire Word's of Moses is considered by God to be the Sinai covenant, that you preach to the world has become Void, then why are the disciples directing the Gentiles to "ABSTAIN" for breaking them, and directing the Gentiles to go learn from Moses, the Servant of God?
Where is it you find anyone telling Gentiles to abstain from breaking all of the Sinai covenant. Here I thought that they were to abstain from fornication, meat offered to idols and the blood of the animals. They were not instructed in the rituals of the Sinai covenant. They didn't have to be circumcised. The laws of the Sinai covenant were never part of their beliefs and were never intended to be.

On the Other hand, "if" the Word's of the Christ are true regarding what HE Himself defines HIS NEW Covenant as, and the only Covenant that became obsolete was the Covenant God made with Levi on Israels behalf, a Covenant that dealt with 2 things #1. The administration of the Laws the Disciples directed the Gentiles to "KEEP" and learn about #2., the manner in which transgressions of these laws are forgiven, then it makes perfect sense why Peter would direct the New Converts to "KEEP" the Laws of Moses, but not follow religious Jews who were still promoting the Levitical Priesthood even though Jesus is our New High Priest.
The mixing of the Levitical covenant and what happened at Calvary are a figment of your imagination.

It's too bad you can't see how the leaven of one lie, "God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage that caused Israel's fall", leavens the entire lump. Infects every part of the mind, corrupts the very foundation of men's belief.
Me or you?

All because men have been convinced that God lied to Israel by telling them they could "keep" His Instructions they preach to the world are a "Yoke of Bondage" impossible to keep.
Sorry Studyman God said IF you keep my covenant. Since God knows the future He knew they would fail.

Much in the same way the serpent convinced Eve that God lied to her, and that God's Commandments made her Blind, and the only way for her to see, is to reject them.
2Cor 3:12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Freedom from what? Freedom from the ministry that brought death verse 7.
 
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Brothers, happy Sabbath! The word "evening" is not the same as the word "night" nor is the word "morning" the same as the word "day" that God named as the two parts of the first day. To be clear, God did not say at the end of the first day: and it was night and it was day, the first day as forced is God to have said to defend a Jewish tradition. God used other words that do not mean the same: and there was evening and there was morning, the first day, because He has nothing to report during the night and limited His creating to the first 12-hours of light each day of creation week.

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Dear guevaraj,

If you believe I am your brother, please let me speak to you as one plainly and in all love and respect. I think you may be on your own with this belief which is not a teaching held by anyone I know from the SDA church and is not biblical according to the scriputres. Happy to share why according to the scriptures...

In the Hebrew the word for "day" for example "the evening and the morning where the first day" - Genesis 1:5 has many different meanings and application in the scriptures.

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Let's first look at the Hebrew Word for day first as it has multiple meanings and applications..

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong
Hebrew word for day - H3117 יום; yôm. From an unused root meaning to be hot ; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next, or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (.. . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

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I was going to post the AV occurrences and different applicaitions of the Hebrew word day - H3117 יום; yôm but found there was too many to post (e.g. there is 2212 Instances, 635 Word applications based on the various definitions above from the Strongs.)

You can see in the Genesis 1 applications alone the Hebrew word day - H3117 יום; yôm is to both the time period making up a "full day" which is the context defined and stated in the scriptures as both evening (night or darkness e.g the context in Genesis 1:5 states the darkness God called night and the light day) and the morning (light or daylight) or "day light hours alone or the heat of the day." It is the context and the within scripture definitions that determine the application of the Hebrew word meanings. This is the rule for both Hebrew and Greek language applications that define word definitions.

I believe your mistake here is not applying contextual application to the Hebrew that the scripture pre-define what is meant by a full day as sunset (darkness he called night) to sunset (daylight he called day) - "and the evening (darkness - night) and the morning (day light) was the first day" which is Gods Word (not mine) showing a full day in God's time as being "sunset to sunset"

What your actually promoting here is anti-sabbath material which is not biblical and that all of Isreal including Jesus and the Apostles got the Sabbath time wrong. May I ask that you may prayerfully consider what is being shared with you from one brother to another and receive God's blessing.

May you receive correction dear friend and be blessed.
 
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Do you have any Biblical Support for the teaching that the Day or week in Adam's time was different than the week or day in our time?
Brother, thanks for these questions, they reveal things that I didn't even think about sharing and they do help. The days from the beginning have always been from morning to morning, it is Israel that thinks that the days are from evening to evening because of God's instructions about the Sabbath. They assume that the Sabbath is a day of the week, but that is only true in Eden and not in Israel, where the Sabbath falls between two days of the week.
Or is this just knowledge that has been revealed to a special few SDA members? If you have any Biblical Support, can you please pass it along to me. I don't want to be keeping the wrong Sabbath.
This knowledge is biblical and the SDA church is not needed. However, our prophetess has helped us value the Sabbath and maybe no one else will value this new depth of understanding of the Sabbath than our church, even though it is Biblical truth. There is not a lot of interest on the Jewish Sabbath by those who have embraced “the error of the lawless” and have rejected the law of God as something they are to obey.
So then, regarding this formally unknown revelation that God has blessed you with, did the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh, also falsely assume HIS Sabbaths were to be observed from Evening to Evening?
Jesus kept the correct Sabbath in Israel where it is from evening to evening, but that is not the case elsewhere. For example, in Eden the Sabbath is from morning to morning as revealed in Genesis first day to the first Sabbath.
It seems odd that God would tell Israel to observe a Sabbath He didn't understand. Even more odd when of all the Prophesies, all the Word's of the Prophets, there is NOT ONE Prophesy, not ONE WARNING to Israel that they didn't understand God's Sabbaths, only that they polluted, despised, and rejected them.
Israel does not have to understand the Sabbath as long as they stay in Israel, it is when they live elsewhere, like here in the United States, that they would have to do something different from what they do in Israel to keep the biblical Sabbath.
Surely you can understand how difficult it is to believe your assertions given what the Holy Scriptures actually say.
It is what the Bible says that supports my point of view, opposing the Jewish tradition that we have accepted without question.
Gen. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 8."And the evening and the morning were the second day". 13. And the evening and the morning were the third day. 19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 23. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
That repeated period from evening until morning that ends each day is what God called “night”, where He has nothing to report because He made all of His creation during the previous light period.
3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
What we have failed to understand is what it means for God to make the seventh day of Eden “Holy”, it means that He separated that time from the cycle of the week in the Eden time zone, so that everywhere on earth the Sabbath is kept in the Eden time zone together. Everyone experiences the Sabbath together and it is not how our tradition wants us to believe Sabbath for some and not others around the world.
Did He only rest when the morning came? Or also the Evening?
He rested from creating, every evening until morning with nothing to report during the period he called “night”, but He has a lot to say during the earlier period of light that He called “day” each day of creation week. He rested the seventh full day from morning to morning.
Why didn't God just have Moses write "And the Morning and the Evening were the first day".
That is only half a day, the half day he called “day” instead of what He actually said that ends each day of creation with the time from evening to morning that He called the “night”. What God would have said if He had given a summary of the entire first day is: and from morning to morning was the first day. God was not giving a summary of the first day, He was adding the missing half of the “night” to the period that He called the “day” during which He created all of that half day before stopping His creation for the “night” that ends each day of creation week.
Where is there even a hint that the length, beginning or structure of the 7th day is any different than the length, beginning or structure of the other 6 days? Please provide Word's from the Holy Scriptures to support this doctrine, other than one sentence from the NIV.
There is no difference between the seventh day and any other day of the week apart from God resting the seventh full day from morning to morning. The seventh day is not called the Sabbath as our church believes, called is every day of the week by its number and the Sabbath is something separate from the week in the Eden time zone.
It seems quite simple to understand why the Christ and Moses assumed God's Day began at Evening, and that God's Sabbath begins on the Evening of the 7th day and goes to the Evening of the First Day of the week. A child can read and see this.
The “evening” falls in the middle of the day as established in Genesis. The Sabbath is from the evening of the sixth day until the evening of the seventh day, leaving half a day of the seventh day after the Sabbath and before Sunday begins at sunrise. This half a day of the seventh day that God called “night” is when Jesus rose after the Sabbath in Israel and before Sunday at sunrise.
But now you are teaching that it has been revealed to you that all this time, Jesus and Moses were talking about a Sabbath Day they didn't understand.
Jesus knew because He remembers Abraham, and He was the one who made Holy the Sabbath. Moses knew that the day was from morning to morning because of the manna that lasted one day and gathered was in the morning and lasted until the next morning. The Jews may have forgotten the day lesson with the manna and then mistakenly believed that the Sabbath was a weekday because they were not paying attention to what God was teaching them.
Is it possible the religious men who taught you this doctrine may be the ones who don't understand the Lord's Sabbath?
I came to understand the Sabbath because a non-Adventist questioned why we say that the 2300-year prophecy is days turned into years when they have the unit of “evenings and mornings”. He went to Genesis and concluded that from evening to morning was only 12 hours and not a full 24-hour day and he told me about it in a forum. Knowing as a Seventh-day Adventist the meaning of the word “evening” and comparing it with the evening to evening observance of the Sabbath in Israel, I concluded that he was right, revealed in Genesis is only half a day, the half of the “night” from evening to the morning that ends the first day that started with light. My understanding of the Sabbath grew from this beginning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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is not biblical according to the scriputres. Happy to share why according to the scriptures...
Brother, you have focused on the wrong thing, I know that the word day can mean as much 12 hours as 24 hours. What you need to observe is the following use of these two words: evening and morning.
  1. from evening to evening is a full Sabbath.
  2. from evening to morning is the half God called "night"
  3. from morning to evening is the half God called "day"
The first day in Genesis ends in the above half God called "night" and started with light when God said "let there be light". That means that the first day in Genesis is from first light to light again in the morning and the days after from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, you have focused on the wrong thing, I know that the word day can mean as much 12 hours as 24 hours. What you need to observe is the following use of these two words: evening and morning.
  1. from evening to evening is a full Sabbath.
  2. from evening to morning is the half God called "night"
  3. from morning to evening is the half God called "day"
The first day in Genesis ends in the above half God called "night" and started with light when God said "let there be light". That means that the first day in Genesis is from first light to light again in the morning and the days after from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Well I believe that is not true dear friend but here is why. The post you are responding to in reference to the use of "day", "evening" and "morning" is in context to what God's word says makes up a full day which is the darkness called night and the light called day. This is the conext I believe you are disregarding in your interpretation of the scriptures.

This is specifically demonstrated in Genesis 1:3-5 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

I am not sure why you cannot see this to be honest as the context of God's Word defines what a day is not the word meaning in regards to "evening and morning". The word meaning do not define context in Hebrew and in Greek the context and application defines word meaning. The same Hebrew and Greek rules of context to define word application and definition must be also applied to "evening"
ערב; ‛ereb; which also means night and "morning" בּקר; bôqer which also means; tommorrow (after night) or day (daylight).

You should prayerfully consider your your promoting here dear friend. I believe it is not biblical and leading people away from God's sabbath not to it. I share this only in love and as a help to you. I pray you may receive God's correction and be blessed.
 
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I believe it is not biblical and leading people away from God's sabbath not to it.
Brother, the translators of the King James Version took liberties when they think that another word fits the context better. By doing this, they defeated the transparency of their word-for-word translation of the Bible, because when you read the word “day” in English throughout the Bible, you think it is the same original word, when they have taken the liberty of making many original words translate into the same word in English, altering God's original intention. If the meaning was what the translators believe best fits God's intention, there is a more appropriate original word that God did not intentionally use. Fortunately, this manipulation of God's word was statistically insignificant in altering the Bible in its word choice, as the actual numbers below demonstrate. Thanks to the analysis allowed by giving each original word a strong’s number. Before looking at the numbers, let’s look at an example below:

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Daniel 8:14 KJV)​

If God intended to say “days” in the passage above, He would have used the word “yom”, but God intentionally did not use this word and instead said “evenings and mornings” which the translators decided based on the context should be translated as “days”.

this is what God means by the original word "ereb":
evening (127 sites, statistically guarantied meaning)​
this is what translators consider a better fit within the context than evening:
night, mingled, people, Arabia, days (10 sites, words already attributed to other original words that God intentionally did not use)​

this is what God means by the original word "boqer":
morning (191 sites, statistically guarantied meaning)​
this is what translators consider a better fit within the context than morning:
morrow, day, days, early (14 sites, words already attributed to other original words that God intentionally did not use)​

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Brother, the translators of the King James Version took liberties when they think that another word fits the context better. By doing this, they defeated the transparency of their word-for-word translation of the Bible, because when you read the word “day” in English throughout the Bible, you think it is the same original word, when they have taken the liberty of making many original words translate into the same word in English, altering God's original intention. If the meaning was what the translators believe best fits God's intention, there is a more appropriate original word that God did not intentionally use. Fortunately, this manipulation of God's word was statistically insignificant in altering the Bible in its word choice, as the actual numbers below demonstrate. Thanks to the analysis allowed by giving each original word a strong’s number. Before looking at the numbers, let’s look at an example below:

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Daniel 8:14 KJV)​

If God intended to say “days” in the passage above, He would have used the word “yom”, but God intentionally did not use this word and instead said “evenings and mornings” which the translators decided based on the context should be translated as “days”.

this is what God means by the original word "`ereb":
evening (127 sites, statistically guarantied meaning)​
this is what translators consider a better fit within the context than evening:
night, mingled, people, Arabia, days (10 sites, words already attributed to other original words that God intentionally did not use)​

this is what God means by the original word "boqer":
morning (191 sites, statistically guarantied meaning)​
this is what translators consider a better fit within the context than morning:
morrow, day, days, early (14 sites, words already attributed to other original words that God intentionally did not use)​

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The Hebrew word "ereb" translated evening (which means dusk: + - day, even (-ing, tide), night) is used in Genesis 1:5 with "morning" בּקר; bôqer which also means; tommorrow (after night) or day (daylight) which is how it is applied to Genesis 1:3-5. The context of these words being used here is to the "light" אור; 'ôr being called day and the darkness חשׁך; chôshek being called night ליל ליל לילה; layil lêyl layelâh which combined make up a full day "yom". As posted earlier in relation to word meanings and definiations for the Hebrew and Greek it is the context and application that determines definition. The Greek and Hebrew word definitions (which are many) in the Hebrew and Greek do not determine context. The post you are responding to in reference to the use of "day", "evening" and "morning" is in context to what God's word says makes up a full day which is the darkness called night and the light called day. This is the conext I believe you are disregarding in your interpretation of the scriptures.

Hope this his helpful
 
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"morning" בּקר; bôqer which also means; tommorrow (after night) or day (daylight) which is how it is applied to Genesis 1:3-5.
Brother, you are worse than the translators for wanting to replace the word "morning" with "day" when this word is different from the one God used for "day" in the same context.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day (yom), and the darkness he called Night. And the evening (ereb) and the morning (boqer) were the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 KJV)​

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Brother, you are worse than the translators for wanting to replace the word "morning" with "day" when this word is different from the one God used for "day" in the same context.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day (yom), and the darkness he called Night. And the evening (ereb) and the morning (boqer) were the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 KJV)​

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Not at all dear friend. I did not replace anything. You where shown the orginal Hebrew word meanings with application to context in v3-5 with God separating the light from the darkness (night and day) the darkness being night and the daylight being the day and that the combination of both being in application to a full day (e.g. first day) in God's time.

"morning" בּקר; bôqer also means; tommorrow (after night) or day (daylight)

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

As posted earlier it is the context that determines word meaning not the word meanings determining context. This is where I believe your mistake is. What your promoting is a different Sabbath that is not biblical. You do know that EGW kept the Sabbath in the US and Australia right? Did she also not keep the right Sabbath in your view? This is shared only in love as a help dear friend. If you consider me a brother. I pray that you will prayerfully consider what is being shared with you.

Perhaps you can pray about it.
 
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You do know that EGW kept the Sabbath in the US and Australia right? Did she also not keep the right Sabbath in your view?
Brother, for 8 years our prophetess observed the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm, brother Bates convinced the church that “even” meant 6 pm and God did not use our prophetess to correct the error. Brother Andrews did the official study on the word “even” after 8 years of keeping the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm. Only after this Bible study was done and the word “even” was understood did God use our prophetess to confirm that brother Andrews discovered the meaning of the word “even”. But this was not all we needed to understand about the Sabbath in her vision, “what even is”, there was a second part to understand, “when it is” that “even” falls on the day. Because of the Sabbath, the Jews assume that it falls at the beginning of the day, but Genesis reveals that “even” falls in the middle of the first day. After having discovered the first part, she was told that we would understand more in the future.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church Volume One, Page 116)​

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Can you provide an EGW reference and quote regarding this???
Brother, for 8 years our prophetess observed the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm, brother Bates convinced the church that “even” meant 6 pm and God did not use our prophetess to correct the error. Brother Andrews did the official study on the word “even” after 8 years of keeping the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm. Only after this Bible study was done and the word “even” was understood did God use our prophetess to confirm that brother Andrews discovered the meaning of the word “even”. But this was not all we needed to understand about the Sabbath in her vision, “what even is”, there was a second part to understand, “when it is” that “even” falls on the day. Because of the Sabbath, the Jews assume that it falls at the beginning of the day, but Genesis reveals that “even” falls in the middle of the first day. After having discovered the first part, she was told that we would understand more in the future.
 
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Can you provide an EGW reference and quote regarding this???
I saw it was even so, “From Even to Even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel, “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what Even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon his people for commencing the Sabbath as they have. I was directed back, back to the first rise of the Sabbath. I followed the people of God up to this time, and did not see that God was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel, “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel, “If light comes, and that light is set aside, or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God, but before the light comes there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o’clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “Even,” and it was inferred that Even was at six. I saw the servants of God must draw together, press together. {T01 4.1}

Page 116, “Time to Begin the Sabbath”—For a period of about ten years Sabbathkeeping Adventists observed the Sabbath from 6 P. M. Friday to 6 P. M. Saturday. Elder Joseph Bates in his first pamphlet on the perpetuity of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, published in 1846, had given reasons for the supposed scriptural support for the observance of the Sabbath in this way. He cited the parable of the laborers in the vineyard, the last group of which had been called at “the eleventh hour” of the day and had wrought but one hour. The reckoning was made with them “when even was come.” Matthew 20:6, 8, 12. Comparing this with Christ’s question, “are there not twelve hours in the day?” He argued that the “even” began with the twelfth hour, or six o’clock, reckoning with equatorial time or the beginning of the sacred year. Respect for his years and experience and his godly life may have been the main reasons for accepting his conclusions without further investigation. {1T 713.2}
As time passed and the message spread, an increasing number of Sabbathkeepers questioned the practice and advocated the sunset time for reckoning the beginning of the Sabbath. A thorough Bible investigation of the question was made by Elder J. N. Andrews, who wrote a paper setting forth the Biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time. This paper was introduced and discussed on Sabbath, November 17, 1855, at the Conference in Battle Creek, Michigan, with the result that nearly, but not quite, all present were convinced that Elder Andrew’s conclusion was correct. The presentation of the subject to Mrs. White in this vision, given two days later, answered the questions lingering in some minds and effected unity among the believers. Commenting on this experience, as illustrating the office of the visions to confirm conclusions based on Biblical study rather than to introduce new teachings, Elder James White wrote later: {1T 713.3}

“The question naturally arises, if the visions are given to correct the erring, why did she not sooner see the error of the six o’clock time? (Seems like Mrs White many times had a "vision" after the fact. Of course the hierarchy tried to cover for her. had this type of thing only happened once I could understand it, but it happened over and over. My conclusion is diametrically opposed to this article. Bob) I have ever been thankful that God corrected the error in His own good time, and did not suffer an unhappy division to exist among us upon this point. But, dear reader, the work of the Lord upon this point is in perfect harmony with his manifestations to us on others, and in harmony with the correct position upon spiritual gifts. It does not appear to be the desire of the Lord to teach His people by the gifts of the Spirit on the Bible questions until His servants have diligently searched His word. When this was done upon the subject of the time to commence the Sabbath, and most were established, and some were in danger of being out of harmony with the body on this subject, then, yes, then, was the very time for God to magnify His goodness in the manifestation of the gift of His Spirit in the accomplishment of its proper work.”—The Review and Herald, February 25, 1868. {1T 713.4}
 
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Can you provide an EGW reference and quote regarding this???
Brother and sister, I calculate 8 years according to the following article. 1855 - 1847 = 8 years. The Internet address follows where you go to image 8, page 168, column 1: “adventistdigitallibrary.org/adl-349487/advent-review-and-sabbath-herald-february-25-1868”. For your connivance I include a copy of the article below.
TIME TO COMMENCE THE SABBATH​
It is generally known to most of the readers of the REVIEW, that for several years in the early history of Seventh-day Adventists, believers adopted six o’clock p.m. as the time for the Sabbath to commence and close. It is also known that in the autumn of 1855, the Review taught that sunset was the Bible time to commence the Sabbath, and that our people generally changed from six o’clock to sunset. Some of the circumstances connected with this change I wish here to state:
  1. The six o’clock time was called in question by a portion of the believers as early as 1847, some maintaining that the Sabbath commenced as sunrise, while others claimed Bible evidence in favor of sunset.
  2. Elder J.B., who was the first to teach the Sabbath in its importance, and faithfully labor to bring out a people from among the Adventists to observe it, was very decided upon the question, and respect for his years, and his godly life, might have been among the reasons why this point was not sooner investigated as thoroughly as some other points.
  3. In the autumn of 1855, Elder J.N.A. called on me at Battle Creek, on his way to Iowa, and set before me the scriptural reasons for commencing the Sabbath at sunset. He had written a clear article upon the subject, which he left with me, and which appeared in the Review for December 4, 1855. This article, however, before it appeared in the Review was read at the Conference at Battle Creek about that time, and the subject was discussed, resulting in settling the minds of the brethren on the sunset-time, with the exception of Bro. B. and a few others. Since that time there has been general agreement among us upon the subject.
But there are persons who seek to injure us as a people - and this class we hope to help by this article - who report and publish to the world that Mrs. White did profess to be shown that the time to commence the Sabbath was six o’clock, and that at a later period she was shown that sunset was the true time. It is also stated that in vision she saw the dial-plate of a clock with one hand pointing to the 6, and other to 12, showing that six o’clock was the commencement and close of the Sabbath.

A simple statement of the facts in the case are sufficient to show these reports false. Hence we give the following statements, which we are ready to prove by most competent witnesses:
  1. Mrs. White has in two visions been shown something in regard to the time of the commencement of the Sabbath. The first was as early as 1847, at Topsham, Me. In the vision she was shown that to commence the Sabbath at sunrise was wrong. She then heard an angel repeat these words, “From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbaths.” Bro B. was present and succeeded in satisfying all present that “even” was six o’clock. Mark this: The vision at Topsham did not teach the six o’clock time. It only corrected sunrise time. I never received the idea that the six o’clock time was sustained by the visions, hence the following which I copy from a statement I made in the Review upon the subject, December 4, 1855, as follows:
    1. We have never been fully satisfied with the testimony presented in favor of six o’clock, while the various communications received for a few years past advocating both sunrise and sunset time, have been almost destitute of argument, and the spirit of humility and candor. The subject has troubled us, yet we have never found time to thoroughly investigate it.
    2. In June, 1854, we urged Elder D.P.H. to prepare an article on the subject for the Review. When with him in Pennsylvania, last winter, we repeated the request. When in Maine, last summer, we stated our feelings on this subject to Bro. A., and our fears of division unless the question could be settled by good testimony. He decided to devote his time to the subject till he ascertained what the Bible taught in regard to it, and his article in this number is the result of his investigation. Some have the impression that six o’clock time has been taught among us by the direct manifestation of the Holy Spirit. This is a mistake; ‘From even unto even’ was the teaching from which six o’clock time has been inferred.’
  2. In regard to the clock-face, twenty competent witnesses are ready to testify that neither Mrs. W. nor her visions had anything to do with it whatever.”
  3. We were present at the Conference referred to above, and also when the vision was given after the close of that Conference, and heard Sr. W. soon after coming out of vision, relate what she had seen. We are therefore prepared to testify that sunset-time was not once mentioned in the vision; but the words given to her in the previous vision were repeated, namely, “From even to even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath;” and these words were now added: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is and when it is.” In the first vision we were directed to the word of God by the words “From even to even;” but on astronomical grounds, it was then decided that even was six o’clock. In the second, exactly the same words were used, and we were more especially directed to the word of God, which when examined conclusively establishes sunset time. This settled the matter with Bro. B. and a few others, and general harmony has since prevailed on the question.
But the question naturally arises, If the visions are given to correct the erring, why did she not sooner see the error of the six o’clock time? For one I have ever been thankful that God corrected the error in his own good time, and did not suffer an unhappy division to exist among us upon the point. But, dear reader, the work of the Lord upon this point is in perfect harmony with his manifestations to us on others, and in harmony with the correct position upon spiritual gifts.

It does not appear to be the design of the Lord to teach his people by the gifts of the Spirit on Bible questions until his servants have diligently searched his word. When this was done upon the subject of time to commence the Sabbath, and most were established, and some were in danger of being out of harmony with the body on this subject, then, yes, then, was the very time for God to magnify his goodness in the manifestation of the gift of his Spirit in the accomplishment of its proper work.

The sacred Scriptures are given us as the rule of faith and duty, and we are commanded to search them. If we fail to understand and fully obey the truths in consequences of not searching the Scriptures as we should, or a want of consecration and spiritual discernment, and God in mercy in his own time corrects us by some manifestation of the gifts of his Holy Spirit, instead of murmuring that he did not do it before, let us humbly acknowledge his mercy, and praise him for his infinite goodness in condescending to correct us at all.

Let the gifts have their proper place in the church. God has never set them in the very front, and commanded us to look to them to lead us in the path of truth, and the way to Heaven. His word he has magnified. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are man’s lamp to light up his path to the kingdom. Follow that. But if you err from Bible truth, and are in danger of being lost, it may be that God will in time of his choice correct you, and bring you back to the Bible and save you. And would it become you in such a case to murmur and say, ‘Lord, why didst thou not do this before?’ Take care! ‘Be still, and know that I am God.’ Our necessity is his opportunity to teach us by the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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