My Eve Challenge

The Sun Mother looked down upon the Earth and thought to herself that she must create new creatures less the Father of All Spirits be angered by what she now saw. She gave birth to two children. The god was the Morning Star and the goddess was the moon. Two children were born to them and these she sent to Earth. They became our ancestors. She made them superior to the animals because they had part of her mind and would never want to change their shape.

AV1611VET said:

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

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Do you believe Eve came from Adam's rib?

No.
OB

I'm still wondering what the challenge is. I assumed it was to post a story about where Man came from.

Bungle_Bear said:

I'm still wondering what the challenge is. I assumed it was to post a story about where Man came from.

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I prefer yours ... (I'm quite attached to my ribs ..)

SelfSim said:

I prefer yours ... (I'm quite attached to my ribs ..)

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It's one of the Dreamtime stories of Australia

Bungle_Bear said:

It's one of the Dreamtime stories of Australia

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So, it might be a slight aside .. but seeing as you raised it, I've recently been blown away by why the oldest (isolated) living civilisation (the Oz Aboriginals - up to 60K years old), never recorded (or painted) an image of the moon? Unreal!
Am I wrong about this 'cause its almost inconceivable!?

AV1611VET said:

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

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I believe that adam's rib is a reality but not necessarily the bone. I think it's symbolic of an internal reality that was understood back when it was written. The bone is a structure uniquely human that shapes the flesh and guards the vital organs. An internal spiritual reality symbolized by a material object.

Eloy Craft said:

The bone is a structure uniquely human that shapes the flesh and guards the vital organs.

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What's unique about it? All vertebrates have ribs, and mammalian ribs all look pretty much the same.

I think it represents the patriarchal notions of a given society. It's probably based on what would have been a common observation that men are often times bigger and stronger than women. It's an origin story. The key for Christians is to recognize that when it's all said and done there is no difference between male and female in Jesus Christ. God works from context and draws us into the kingdom, where we leave material notions and fleshly interpretations to the side and live the kingdom of God here and now (since we are already citizens of heaven). How you interpret the scriptures says more about you than it does about the kingdom.

Tanj said:

What's unique about it? All vertebrates have ribs, and mammalian ribs all look pretty much the same.

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Bones identify species. Bones structure the flesh and give each species their unique shape.

I think it’s interesting that the Bible account involved a rib… the only bone that will grow back (not just a fracture mend, but grow back) when removed. It didn’t leave Adam debilitated in any way, and it was written long before medical science was around to provide such knowledge. That’s more evidence of the reliability of God’s word.

SelfSim said:

So, it might be a slight aside .. but seeing as you raised it, I've recently been blown away by why the oldest (isolated) living civilisation (the Oz Aboriginals - up to 60K years old), never recorded (or painted) an image of the moon? Unreal!
Am I wrong about this 'cause its almost inconceivable!?

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I'd never heard that one so I looked it up in Google.

https://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/papers/n255.pdf

It's "almost inconceivable" because it ain't true. Aboriginal art is full of astronomical objects and observations in the same way that aboriginal mythology (the 'Dreamtime') is full of entities representing astronomical formations.

Reading through some of the stuff I suspect that the way sun/moon is depicted may not be readily recognisable to western eyes. A drawing depicting a crescent moon for instance, could be seen as a boomerang and a sun may be wheel like. If you've ever been in the desert of Central Australia after dark you'd be overwhelmed at the size and clarity of the night sky in a flat, dry treeless landscape.

It's an astronomical experience.

OB

inquiring mind said:

I think it’s interesting that the Bible account involved a rib… the only bone that will grow back (not just a fracture mend, but grow back) when removed.

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They don't grow back if removed. Under certain conditions part of a rib can be replaced, but an entire missing rib will remain missing.

It didn’t leave Adam debilitated in any way, and it was written long before medical science was around to provide such knowledge. That’s more evidence of the reliability of God’s word.

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It's more evidence of wishful thinking and twisting of facts to fit your agenda.

inquiring mind said:

I think it’s interesting that the Bible account involved a rib… the only bone that will grow back (not just a fracture mend, but grow back) when removed. It didn’t leave Adam debilitated in any way, and it was written long before medical science was around to provide such knowledge. That’s more evidence of the reliability of God’s word.

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Except ribs can't grow back if fully removed from the body. No bone can.

ETA: Got ninja'd. Darn it!

Bungle_Bear said:

They don't grow back if removed. Under certain conditions part of a rib can be replaced, but an entire missing rib will remain missing.

It's more evidence of wishful thinking and twisting of facts to fit your agenda.

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Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Except ribs can't grow back if fully removed from the body. No bone can.

ETA: Got ninja'd. Darn it!

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It’s a funny thing to me that you believe whole limbs can appear or disappear (given enough time of course), but don’t think a rib can grow back.

National Scoliosis Foundation
How humans regenerate ribs decoded - Times of India

inquiring mind said:

It’s a funny thing to me that you believe whole limbs can appear or disappear (given enough time of course), but don’t think a rib can grow back.

National Scoliosis Foundation
How humans regenerate ribs decoded - Times of India

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Given enough time, of course. Whole limbs could appear and disappear over generations. But whole limbs couldn't appear and disappear in the life of a single individual.

Speedwell said:

Given enough time, of course. Whole limbs could appear and disappear over generations.

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I've heard that.

Speedwell said:

But whole limbs couldn't appear and disappear in the life of a single individual.

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No, they can't, but apparently a rib, or portion thereof can regenerate, in two or three months.

There is a common misconception that men have one fewer pair of ribs than women.

It's interesting to see how different styles of inquiry address this claim.

Some think of the story in Genesis in the OP as an explanation for why this is so.

Others put the claim to the test, and find it is false.

When there is a claim about the natural world, the natural world is a better place to look for information than the Bible.