BISHOP BARRON TAKES ON THE RAD TRADS

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Yesterday it was reported that Bishop Barron had a private meeting with various Catholic media providers to discuss the growing influence of “radical traditionalists” in the online Catholic world.

It should be concerning to the Catholic hierarchy.

It is easy to dismiss the online Catholic world as a silly past time for computer nerds of a pious temperament, but this is to overlook the huge global reach of the internet. To get an idea of the impact of conservative Catholic communicators you can check their YouTube views. Church Militant has 187,000 subscribers. Taylor Marshall has 223,000 subscribers. Taylor’s most popular video boasts 1.3 million views, and whenever he posts a new video it immediately garners upwards of 60,000 views and more. At LifeSite News John Henry Westen has 125,000 subscribers and his videos can grab up to over 100,000 views. An example is a video about a coronavirus plot for one world government. Curiously, this is posted alongside a similar video by Protestant fundamentalist pastor John Hagee also warning about a conspiracy for a one world government linked with the coronavirus. Pastor Hagee’s video has 2 million views.

There is clearly a voracious appetite for conspiracy theories, muckraking, and mud slinging in fully fledged, wide eyed tabloid style journalism. The uncertainty of our times, the unrest in the church and society and the poor catechesis of many Catholics and non-Catholic Christians all lend themselves to this phenomenon. A priest friend of mine said recently “We’re in a sixteenth century situation.” In that era the church was burdened with corruption and immorality in the top ranks, complacency, ignorance, immorality and foolishness at the lower levels. The Protestant revolutionaries came along with their fiery message of reform, and they used the new technology of the day–the printing press–to spread their incendiary message. Like today’s media masters, Martin Luther’s message was sensationalist, sometimes coarse, populist, rabid and uncompromising. Then as now, the church hierarchy were as powerless to stop the conflagration as they were to clean out their own Augean stables.

It’s worth putting the whole fuss in the widest perspective possible. From the Old Testament onward God has provided the church with both the priestly and the prophetic ministry. The priests were the establishment guys. They were the bread and butter, often dull fellows who kept the show on the road. They kept the doors open and the lamps lit and they turned up. Too often they drifted into complacency, corruption and immorality. Their secure jobs and insider connections meant they were tempted by wealth, privilege and all the comforts that come with being the establishment. The prophets, on the other hands, were outsiders. Usually laymen, they attacked the bad shepherds, inveighed against the immorality of the day, poked the feathered nests of the priestly set and stirred the pot. They were filled with fire and often got fired….sometimes literally like Savonarola.

In a way, this conflict is simply the age old clash between the priestly and the prophetic ministries. We need both. The friction produces light even if it also produces heat.

Bishop Barron is right to be concerned about the wildfire of the online Catholic world. Like the reformers in every age of the church, the online radical traditionalists are often unpleasant in their style, unsubtle in their approach, mistaken in their opinions and intentionally provocative. Their writings are too often pure propaganda full of half truths, ignorant generalizations, guilty of detraction and indulging in vile gossip.

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Bishop Barron Takes On the Rad Trads
 
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Good for him. This needs doing.
While that needs doing, I wonder if he has a similar inclination to address deviations in the other direction. That needs doing.
 
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While that needs doing, I wonder if he has a similar inclination to address deviations in the other direction. That needs doing.

Anti-traditionalist movements marked by personal attacks and vitriolic commentary need to be addressed? That's possible, but I'm not aware of such movements. Barron seems concerned with the tone and demeanor of these groups rather than their content per se.

"[Barron] said that he had three full-time staff members spend their workdays deleting the recent inappropriate comments leveled at him" (NCR). Barron has all sorts of experience with online vitriol, beginning long ago in his outreach to the New Atheists. This moderate bishop seems to encounter uncharitable attacks from traditionalists, not liberals, and my experience is similar. I would much rather cross a liberal than a traditionalist so far as retaliation is concerned.
 
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Dude I just heard about this in the podcast I'm still listening to. What kind of bogus gatekeeping is Bp. Barron up to?! Like seriously what the fudge? He's using such a broad definition of "rad trad" too, basically any Catholic that's faithful to the magisterium and holds conservative political views. So, you know, Catholic. It sounds like Bp. Barron's getting a little too cozy in his ivory media tower.

I'll leave this podcast here if anyone wants to check out Tim Gordon's commentary—he's respectful of Bp. Barron and his office, for the record. It's a 45min episode.

 
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Dude I just heard about this in the podcast I'm still listening to. What kind of bogus gatekeeping is Bp. Barron up to?! Like seriously what the fudge? He's using such a broad definition of "rad trad" too, basically any Catholic that's faithful to the magisterium and holds conservative political views. So, you know, Catholic. It sounds like Bp. Barron's getting a little too cozy in his ivory media tower.

Were you present at the private meeting, or are you speculating as to what was said there?
 
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Anti-traditionalist movements marked by personal attacks and vitriolic commentary need to be addressed? That's possible, but I'm not aware of such movements. Barron seems concerned with the tone and demeanor of these groups rather than their content per se.
Sean Michael Winters does a good job of vitriol. I could go on. Not that it makes the vitriol of the far right OK. Just that it needs to be addressed on ALL sides, not just one. And bishop Barron seems to only address one side so far. One can hope that he will eventually be even handed.
 
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Sean Michael Winters does a good job of vitriol. I could go on. Not that it makes the vitriol of the far right OK. Just that it needs to be addressed on ALL sides, not just one. And bishop Barron seems to only address one side so far. One can hope that he will eventually be even handed.

So I grabbed a handful of Winters' articles from NCR, book reviews from America, and tweets, and the only thing that came anywhere near vitriol was his recent piece on Vigano. Compared to someone like Michael Voris he strikes me as a cat without claws.

But sure, if the instigation is also occurring elsewhere then let it be addressed.
 
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So Bishop Barron is the pious computer nerd and anyone that disagrees with him is a radical muckraker.
In my opinion Bishop Barron's main concern is selling his books and getting likes on the internet.

He should be more concerned with the absolute corruption in the church than with being a social media dilettante.
 
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So I grabbed a handful of Winters' articles from NCR, book reviews from America, and tweets, and the only thing that came anywhere near vitriol was his recent piece on Vigano. Compared to someone like Michael Voris he strikes me as a cat without claws.
Your opinion. Not mine.
But sure, if the instigation is also occurring elsewhere then let it be addressed.
I'm glad we agree.
 
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I wish we could just chill a bit, pray more than spit at each other, and not push so hard for schism. The Church is in a mess. Needs fixing. But a circular firing squad isn't the way to fix it. I have a right to be angry, there is a good case for righteous anger, but not to try and destroy the Church in the process of being angry.
 
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He has been interviewed by athiests who are in homosexual pseudo-marriages and by a Jew and has just been a pushover, very disappointing, his video on having a “reasonable hope” that hell is empty is also very heterodox

We have a huge number of catholics who do not believe in the real presence of the Eucharist but Barron makes this his big priority?

I wish the good Bishop was as polite to Catholics as he is to athiests
 
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