Enemy of Islam

Running2win said:

So, you don't see Jews or Christians beheading people. ISIS sure does and they are following the religion of Islam. They are following their founder's directive. Islam has always been spread by the sword.

This is the same way Christians and Jews will die during the great tribulation. Put two and two together and what do you get?

4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

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Running2win said:

Their is only one true God, and His Son Jesus. All the others are Idols and tools of Satan. God is right to judge the wicked.

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I find no fault in anything you have said or believe. And I repent of my initial comments to you. May you go in peace.

RaymondG said:

Do you believe the Israelites are just and filled with love when they wipe out people with divine directives, but other religions are unjust and devoid of Love when they do it?

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One difference... The Israelites were always commanded to conquer a degenerate people, or a violently antagonistic people. Islam is out to conquer the entire world for Allah. The more peaceful the people the easier the game is for deception. Just look at Islam in London. Hardly what the Jews did when they were commanded to fight.

Here is one example of God giving a directive..


It was serving a purpose of wiping out a degenerate people. God was in no hurry. Their degeneracy had to come to its fullness before they were to be destroyed.

Later on the Amorites were to be destroyed. But their degeneracy had to take its full course and undeniably evident before God executed His judgment.

Look at peace loving London lately?

They give us a real reason to slander Islam... And, then attack you if you do. Its a demonic trap ...

LoricaLady said:

It seems to me your posts turned accusatory, and that you feel a need to correct me from things like being (your definition of) a "literalist" and feel a need to reprove me because (in your opinion) my words "kill." To me that is sad that you would say such things.

Do what you want. And I will do as I feel is wise. The Word and the Lord will be my guide. Patterns continue with people as a rule. I don't want to continue with these exchanges therefore.

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Agreed. I felt it was slipping off the road... Sorry. No ill feelings. Just thought you might benefit from something being known having grown up as a Jew. Paul said we are to be all things to all people. Knowing something about how many Jews think I thought might prove helpful. Instead... it slipped off the road.

grace and peace...

Running2win said:

So, you don't see Jews or Christians beheading people. ISIS sure does and they are following the religion of Islam. They are following their founder's directive. Islam has always been spread by the sword.

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Its how the US Marines got the name "Leather Necks." To fight the Barbary Islamists the Marines needed to wear thick leather around their necks to prevent the usual practice of the Muslims while needing to battle them. Beheading was their trademark.

RaymondG said:

I find no fault in anything you have said or believe. And I repent of my initial comments to you. May you go in peace.

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May you go with the peace of Jesus too.

genez said:

Its how the US Marines got the name "Leather Necks." To fight the Barbary Islamists the Marines needed to wear thick leather around their necks to prevent the usual practice of the Muslims while needing to battle them. Beheading was their trademark.

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Nice! Thanks, never knew that!

DamianWarS said:

not everything is written in English for an English audience. Because I speak more than one language means I have an identity with Christ using words from a different language and culture. I'm really not sure what you mean by "What does [it] mean in your Bible?" it means the same as it does in your Bible... what else would you think it means? Context shapes meaning for example the word "GOD" is used by many religions and Christians weren't the first but just because Christians use it doesn't mean we agree with all uses of the word out there. Jesus is also used in different contexts as well, for example, what a LDS or JW thinks of Jesus is not necessarily the same as what other Christians believe of Jesus and it really doesn't matter that we use the same words.

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That was my point as well. I am taught from the Greek and Hebrew texts and was astounded at times to see how the English translations could rob a passage of its meaning. You speaking more than one language I assume you understand what I am saying.

love may not demand fondness as you indicate however it also doesn't dismiss it. I'm not really sure what your missiology is but being fond of people as you serve into them should be a natural product and not discouraged but of course YMMV.

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Agape love is a "live and let live" type of love. There are other words found in the original languages that would indicate a love having fondness. Yet, when walking in agape love (filled with the Spirit) and meeting someone with virtue in their heart, fondness is instantly free to be sensed.

For example.. When Jesus met Peter after the resurrection He asked Peter three times if Peter loved him. Peter and Jesus were using different words for love. Peter was hurt because Jesus kept asking if he "agape" loved Him. Peter kept switching to a fondness type love which is subjective and personal. Jesus kept bringing Peter back to virtue love. The understood meaning of what "agape" indicated to those understanding the language was why Peter was deeply hurt.


My pastor did a phenomenal work in exegeting that context. For in English we only see the word "love." Yet throughout the discourse different words for types of love were being spoken. Totally missing why Peter became deeply hurt.

grace and peace

RaymondG said:

What is your view of the people who murdered baal worshipers, along with their wives and children.....What about those who burned down baal temples with their worshipers inside them.....in the old testament?

Why do you call one group psycopaths and demonic, and the other children of God?

Cant we all be doing what we believe is right in the eyes of God and all be in equal need of Grace...and forgiveness?

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You do not understand. Baal worshipers threw their children into fire. Why? For their own sexual arousal while hearing the screams. It was bizarre and murderous. Sexual activity was a large part of their religious activity. It was a primitive time in history.

Jeremiah was called to condemn the Jews for following such practices. What do you think those "high places" were that we see mentioned in the OT? In Jeremiah's day the Jews were over run and taken captive for 70 years in the Babylonian captivity because of having followed the ways of Baal.. It was not some rinky-dink religion. It was deep and dirty degeneracy performed in the name of their gods, for their gods.

Its why God wanted these peoples destroyed. He did not even spare his own people when they went for other gods. Many Jews were slaughtered because of their turning to other gods. In Jeremiah's day Jews were going out into the fields and setting up for the rituals... They too threw children into the fire to further arouse them during their religious worship. Israel was destroyed and it took seventy years to return to the land.

This degenerate tendency in man's depraved sin nature we may be seeing today with all these people demanding abortion as their glorious right!

We need to know much. With only a few willing to teach it.

genez said:

Jesus kept asking if he "agape" loved Him.

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Jesus uses phileo love the third time... I'm not really sure your point... that we shouldn't get personally involved when engaging with non-believers? Doesn't really sound like what Jesus did and even if you want to argue different language his demonstration of it was very personally involved.

DamianWarS said:

Jesus uses phileo love the third time... I'm not really sure your point... that we shouldn't get personally involved when engaging with non believers? Doesn't really sound like what Jesus did.

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Being personally involved with unbelievers does not mean phileo love. If you did? It would indicate you approve of their unbelieving state.

Yes, Jesus did finally say phileo. But, asking two times first, if Peter "agape" loved him. That word usage was doing something to Peter that upset him. For Peter understood meaning for agape . Phileo love would indicate a fondness for the Lord. Agape does not. That was the point I was wishing to make. Jesus finally asked Peter if he phileo loved Him.

Agape is more of an impersonal type of love. Its the love expressed professionally on the job for those you work with. A believer can joke and have a relaxed rapport with an unbeliever when the Spirit fills you with agape love.

For its agape love that is a fruit of the Spirit. It does not say that phileo love is a fruit of the Spirit. Agape is patient, is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Agape does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Phileo is for only a very few whom you personally love, and a love expressed for believers who walk with God in maturity. Phileo love is tenderhearted affection. We are never commanded to phileo love the brethren.

Agape is the spiritual glue between all believers who walk in the Spirit. That love (agape) we are commanded to maintain. Its a "live and let live" type love, so we do not end up judging other believers. Agape comes from the Spirit when we are filled. Phileo love will happen between believers when believers are honest and not living selfishly. It takes maturity to walk in phileo with other believers. On the other hand, even baby Christians are commanded to walk in agape love.

grace and peace

genez said:

Being personally involved with unbelievers does not mean phileo love. If you did? It would indicate you approve of their unbelieving state.

Yes, Jesus did finally say phileo. But, asking two times first, if Peter "agape" loved him. That word usage was doing something to Peter that upset him. For Peter understood meaning for agape . Phileo love would indicate a fondness for the Lord. Agape does not. That was the point I was wishing to make. Jesus finally asked Peter if he phileo loved Him.

Agape is more of an impersonal type of love. Its the love expressed professionally on the job for those you work with. A believer can joke and have a relaxed rapport with an unbeliever when the Spirit fills you with agape love.

For its agape love that is a fruit of the Spirit. It does not say that phileo love is a fruit of the Spirit. Agape is patient, is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Agape does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Phileo is for only a very few whom you personally love, and a love expressed for believers who walk with God in maturity. Phileo love is tenderhearted affection. We are never commanded to phileo love the brethren.

Agape is the spiritual glue between all believers who walk in the Spirit. That love (agape) we are commanded to maintain. Its a "live and let live" type love, so we do not end up judging other believers. Agape comes from the Spirit when we are filled. Phileo love will happen between believers when believers are honest and not living selfishly. It takes maturity to walk in phileo with other believers. On the other hand, even baby Christians are commanded to walk in agape love.

grace and peace

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Again I'm not really sure your point and you seem to be getting caught up in a question no one asked. as it refers to development of relationships with unbelievers for the purpose of showing them Christ there is cause to be active and personally involved. You can categorize this as agape or phileo or some other word as it suits your process of thinking but I'm not sure how your points relate to this sort of relational missiology if you are discouraging/encouraging it or just filibustering it and hoping no one catches on.

Arc F1 said:

I'm pretty sure the judgment was God's. I'm just following up with his word. I didn't make the rules.

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And Im pretty sure those of other religious would say exactly the same thing you just said.

So why not follow peace with all men, instead of finding ways to condemn others, who you believe are doing the same thing those who serve your god have done, but happen to not be a lucky as they were to find the right god to serve?

RaymondG said:

And Im pretty sure those of other religious would say exactly the same thing you just said.

So why not follow peace with all men, instead of finding ways to condemn others, who you believe are doing the same thing those who serve your god have done, but happen to not be a lucky as they were to find the right god to serve?

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God seeks men. He draws them invisibly where ever they are. Men in turn begin to seek what it was that sought them. Men can reject God's seeking and then seek their own substitutes.Why does that happen? Because man by design was created to worship God. Just like sheep were designed to follow a shepherd. There are wild dogs and then there are domesticated dogs. Unlike dogs and sheep, men choose whom they will follow... and more importantly, how well they will follow.

God created man in His image. Therefore man was created with an element of his own sovereignty... Choosing his own ultimate outcome. For, no man will be with excuse when God judges.

Who is finding ways to condemn others?
Sometimes the Bible warns us who we should steer clear of. Even to avoid them.

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Without explaining how that fits into this thread? Its just like changing the channel and not knowing what bad thing you are now watching. Please tell us why you posted that picture. Someone will get it, but others need to know.

genez said:

Who is finding ways to condemn others?

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I dont know if it can be seen as finding ways, or outright condemnation...which you or they may deem justified.

Lets look at a few of the words that cometh from the mouths of we who are filled with love:

"Is there any love and compassion left in the world?"
"Is Islam the religion of the devil i wonder?"
"Yep. IMO, the final beast empire will be Muslim."
"All the enemy countries of Israel, in the Bible, are now Muslim."
"I believe a Pope will be the false prophet who looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon."
"You aren't going to find true love and compassion outside of the Christian faith. The reality is that Islam is a false religion of rape, pillage, murder and great evil. Muhammad is a lying, child molesting murderer."
"Islam has to be the most backwards and barbaric religion's out there."
"This is Islam 101. Why is anyone surprised?"

Now if these same things were to be said against our own religion....would it be considered righteous condemnation....or righteous persecution?

genez said:

Sometimes the Bible warns us who we should steer clear of. Even to avoid them.

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Think about it.....Did Jesus steer clear of the sinners and publican....or the one who believe they had a full understanding of the bible and needed no further interpretations? Who would it have been better to avoid?

RaymondG said:

"You aren't going to find true love and compassion outside of the Christian faith.

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Christian's without the filling of the Spirit and walking in Truth, are at best.. nice sentimentalists.



There is no genuine love that God recognizes without the filling of the Spirit. The filling of the Spirit in a believer saturated with sound understanding of the Word of God. All else is, "our righteousness is as filthy rags." "Wood, hay, and stubble.. " Being saved from the Lake of Fire they may be. But, not from themselves. Christians can be cruel and heartless as well... If they walk in their flesh.

genez said:

Christian's without the filling of the Spirit and walking in Truth, are at best.. nice sentimentalists.

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will
worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of
worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must
worship in the Spirit and in truth.” John 4:23-24​

There is no genuine love that God recognizes without the filling of the Spirit. The filling of the Spirit in a believer saturated with sound understanding of the Word of God. All else is, "our righteousness is as filthy rags." "Wood, hay, and stubble.. " Being saved from the Lake of Fire they may be. But, not from themselves. Christians can be cruel and heartless as well... If they walk in their flesh.

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You responded to nothing I wrote...only a quote from another poster. If you would like to share knowledge with them, the quote was taking from the second page.

RaymondG said:

You responded to nothing I wrote...only a quote from another poster. If you would like to share knowledge with them, the quote was taking from the second page.

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But, I did respond to something you said..

Too much is taken for granted while never studied, nor understood.