Sounds like a pity party to me. If Sabbath observers would stop criticizing Christians because we worship on another day like is continuously done, I don't believe anyone would raise their voice in protest. I realize you are not SDA, so maybe you don't preach that we are going to Hell because we don't observe the Sabbath and the eight Holy days that were given only to the Israelites.
My issue is with religious philosophies that the Scriptures don't seem to promote. Namely, the preaching regarding the New Covenant of the Christ of the Bible, and the implication that God's Sabbaths became obsolete through it.
There may be some verse somewhere to support the elimination of God's Sabbath, but it was not through the New Covenant, that is, the Christ's New Covenant defined in Jer. 31 and again in Heb. 7-10.
This is why I post His Definition of His New Covenant and strive to discuss them.
His commandments not the ones Jesus kept as He tells us in Jn 15: 9 ‘As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
Jesus said HIS Father sent Him to give us HIS Father's Words.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Jesus obeyed His Fathers Commandment and gave us His Father's Words.
Jesus also said HE and His Father are One. So to divide them by implying that God's Words and Jesus Words are different seems non-Biblical to me.
When asked which Commandments to keep Jesus pointed to His Fathers Commandments that the Christ gave us when He was the Word of God.
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
He didn't name the First and Greatest, or His Commandment against images of God in the likeness of men, or not to hate your brother in your heart, but I believe they were implied?
These are the Word's of the Christ Himself?
Do you have a problem with Jesus own statement?
No, I believe them all. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by Every word which proceeds from the mouth of God". It's hard to imagine that Jesus is deceiving me by telling me something that isn't truth. That is why I post HIS Word's and ask questions.
If so how about this one:
1Jn 3: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 if our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: we know it by the Spirit he gave us.
I live by Jesus words to me. not what you or any other Sabbath observer has conjured up in their minds.
Jesus was one of those Sabbath observers, and HE said His Sabbath was made for man. Those are His Word's, not conjured up by me. We may disagree about what HE means, but the Word's are HIS, not mine.
Just saying.
What does lusting have to do with the subject we are on? It sounds like you are using scripture to threaten us because we don't agree with your false theories.
So, if I don't agree with your theories you threaten me with the results of the mistakes the Israelites made? May I remind you that you are not the judge. And may I remind you that I have presented scripture that has proven that you are wrong.
I neither threatened, nor judged you. If you were stung, it was by Paul's Words, not mine.
I simply pointed out that Paul is teaching Gentiles that the Law and Prophets were written for them. That they should not be ignorant of this fact, especially those who think they stand.
I am not aware of any scriptures you posted which makes my understanding of Paul's Words here untrue or wrong. I may have missed something so feel free to re-post the scriptures which proven me wrong. And thank you for the correction.
Serving God by observing a day that He has not ever ask you to keep? In fact Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath along with all the other rituals given only to Israel. He did what the Israelites didn't or couldn't do, took it away nailing it to the Cross He was nailed. Eph 2: 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
Who were the two groups of people? What Law, what "wall of Hostility" did God create that divided them?
It would be great if you could find the Law of God that divided Jew and Gentile. How does the Christ's Sabbath, that He said was made for man, cause a "wall of hostility" between Jew and Gentile? I have always wondered about some of the modern interpretations of these scriptures.
I do believe Jesus when HE said the mainstream preachers of His time taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, and I know they created laws which divided Jews from Gentiles that God didn't make. These laws of man, taught as God's Law for centuries, were against us. But I can not find a single Law of God which caused a "Hostile Wall" which divided Jew and Gentile. Not one which taught that Gentiles were "without Christ, aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, without God and without Hope in the world". These were the Laws of the Circumcision that Jesus called the commandments of men.
There is a lot to say about this, but I think Peter in Acts 15 dispels the teaching that God's Laws were taken out of the way.
Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (God's Law) and from fornication, (God's Law) and from things strangled, (God's Law) and from blood. (God's Law)
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
These Word's of Peter, and modern religious doctrines contradict each other here. Peter turned the Gentiles away from religious men who claimed to be furthering the Law of Moses. But Peter knew their doctrines was false, so he directed the Gentiles away from these preachers and directly towards the Laws of God. In this way these Gentiles would learn directly from Moses, and not from religious men who were not in sync with the Apostles.
This is the same instruction Jesus gave His Disciples in Matt. 23:
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
It is no wonder that Peter sent the Gentiles to learn directly from Moses.
You seem not to believe what Jesus did for all mankind and live by commands He has set aside, all because of your preconceived beliefs.
Jesus did many things. One of the greatest things HE did was expose the mainstream religion of His Time of promoting religious doctrines and traditions of religious men who had corrupted His Gospel. Exposing their man made religious traditions ultimately cost Him His Life. He was killed because He dared question the mainstream preachers of His time.
He could have called on His Father who would have wiped these self righteous preachers off the planet, but HE didn't. He offered Himself to God by allowed these fraudsters to ridicule Him, call him a liar, torture Him and murder Him as a sacrifice to atone for my past transgressions.
When asked about the sign of the times and the future He told His Disciples to "take Heed" of one thing. Not Atheists, not Islam, not drug dealers. No, when asked what to watch for in the future, Here is what HE warned of.
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.
There is only one religion in the land today that fit's this description. I think this is why we are told to "test the spirits" to see if they are of the Word of God, or religious men.
Did you think you could make me "uncomfortable" enough that I would not challenge your theories?
I have never backed down from debating Messianic believers and you surely do not frighten me.
I did not intend to frighten you. Only engage in a discussion about the difference between doctrines. I look forward to you answering my questions, and discussing the doctrines promoted in modern religions. After all, if it wasn't for the understanding men have regarding different winds of doctrines, we would all be Catholic.