Proof the Earth is Flat

d taylor said:

Support Job 26:7 ( the way it is falsely translated) from other areas of the Bible.

Show just one verse that supports Job 26:7

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I trust the King James Bible (circa. 1900 Cambridge Edition) is the divinely inspired Word of God and that Modern Translations come from a corrupt source that attack God's preserved Holy Word for our day. Here are 30 reasons (I posted here at CF).

30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today

Bible Highlighter said:

I trust the King James Bible (circa. 1900 Cambridge Edition) is the divinely inspired Word of God and that Modern Translations come from a corrupt source that attack God's preserved Holy Word for our day. Here are 30 reasons (I posted here at CF).

30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today

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I did not ask for an excuse, i ask for a supporting verse or verses

d taylor said:

I did not ask for an excuse, i ask for a supporting verse or verses

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The Bible itself is not an excuse for anything (with the implied intent of something bad or untrue as some believe), but it is our very testimony of God. While many verses do have cross references, in some instances there is none. Take for example 1 John 5:7 (KJV) that says, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” The same is true for 1 John 5:8. There is not another testimony or witness in Scripture confirming the truth expressed in 1 John 5:8. It does not invalidate 1 John 5:8.

Jesus said Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His words will not pass away.
We have to think that Jesus is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. So this means that all words expressed under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit are God the Father's words and they are the words of our Lord (i.e. the Lord Jesus), as well.

Bible Highlighter said:

The Bible itself is not an excuse for anything (with the implied intent of something bad or untrue as some believe), but it is our very testimony of God. While many verses do have cross references, in some instances there is none. Take for example 1 John 5:7 (KJV) that says, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” The same is true for 1 John 5:8. There is not another testimony or witness in Scripture confirming the truth expressed in 1 John 5:8. It does not invalidate 1 John 5:8.

Jesus said Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His words will not pass away.
We have to think that Jesus is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. So this means that all words expressed under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit are God the Father's words and they are the words of our Lord (i.e. the Lord Jesus), as well.

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Just so you can see a correct reading of Job 26:7
From
Terra Firma: David Wardlaw Scott

The Hebrew is —
neteh tsephoon ol tehoo tehleh arets ol belimeh,
The proper translation of which is:
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the Earth upon
fastenings."

" hangeth the Earth upon nothing," which is neither a proper rendering nor common sense ; besides
which it distinctly contradicts the Word of God which,
in so many other places, declares that the Earth rests
upon Foundations. There must be a support for any
thing that hangs.

The Hebrew word teleh means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact. thus, to give a few instances/examples
Genesis 40:19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.”

Psalms 137:2 We hung our harps Upon the willows in the midst of it.

Ezekiel 15:3 Is wood taken from it to make any object? Or can men make a peg from it to hang any vessel on?

but belimeh wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. Our translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimeh occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimeh from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimeh simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what JEHOVAH asked Job a little farther on in Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone

Bible Highlighter said:

Jerusalem (North) is Above According to Galatians Four.

25 "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
(Galatians 4:25-26).

In Galatians 4, Sarai/Isaac is paralleled with Jerusalem (Representing Faith and Freedom) and Hagar/Ishmael is paralleled with Mt. Sinai (Representing Law and Bondage). Again, I believe Mt. Sinai is Mt. Jabal al Lawz in Saudi Arabia - Which lines up with Paul essentially saying, Jerusalem is above Mount Sinai in Arabia (i.e. Saudi Arabia)).

The phrase, “Jerusalem, which is above [Mount Sinai],” clarified that Jerusalem and Mount Sinai corresponded to the same line of longitude. “Above” is translated from the Greek ano, a word that can also mean “upward” or “on the top” (ibid., #507). It appears in the NT nine times. Of chief interest here is its specific geographical meaning of “on the north” or “northward.” The word was used in this manner by the notable Greek historian Herodotus (Liddell and Scott 1889, 83-84). Paul’s inclusion of ano defined Jerusalem as being north of Mount Sinai on his line of sustoicheo.With these observations in mind, the geographical concepts in Galatians 4:25-26 can be summarized as follows:

1) Mount Sinai was in the Arabia of Paul’s day. 2) Sustoicheo: Jerusalem and Mount Sinai were on the same line of latitude or longitude. 3) Ano: Jerusalem was north of Mount Sinai. 4) The north-south relationship puts Jerusalem and Mount Sinai on a similar meridian of longitude.​

Plotting Paul’s location for Mount Sinai

The map in Figure 4 shows the 35-15’E longitude meridian that passes just east of the Old City of Jerusalem. Moving southward, the line crosses the mountains of western Jordan, the ancient place of Mount Seir. Long before the Exodus, this region was synonymous with Edom, land that had been divinely granted to Esau, the brother of Jacob (Israel). Several arguments exist for not placing Mount Sinai in Edom, among them the biblical injunction that Esau’s territory was not to be violated by the Israelites.



It must be taken under consideration that Jerusalem is not higher in elevation from Mt. Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia (i.e. Mt. Sinai).

So Flat Earthers cannot object and say that Jerusalem is above in relation to elevation here.

Note: If you never heard about Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia as being Mt. Sinai, then you need to check out the following video (within my post). For it reveals amazing discoveries made at Mt. Sinai. Such as Elijah's cave, certain artifacts, and the split rock (showing us that it is indeed Mt. Sinai).

In fact, today, people have witnessed the burned top of Mt. Sinai. A Mountain that is now called "Jabal al Lawz" in Saudi Arabia. A mountain that you can see that is burned at the top.

Exodus 19:18
"And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly."
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Also, in the same location near the ground, we see the cleft rock, as well.

Psalms 105:41 says,
"He opened the rock, and waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river."​

If you don't like the resolution of the video at YouTube, I do believe the DVD is still available on Amazon or other select sites.

Anyways, getting back on topic: Galatians 4:25-26 is telling us that Jerusalem (Which is North of Mt. Sinai) is above. On a Flat Earth, North is considered the center point of a pizza or flat disk. There is no true North on a Flat disk. Maps would look like one would be going up or above, but on a flat disk Earth, going in the direction of North would not be going "above" but it would be going to the center of the map. North would technically be a lie. Yet, God's Word using directions of North, South, East, and West many times.

Note: Here is an illustration of a false map (showing North) according to the Flat Earthers:

And here is an illustration of the real world we live on:

Source used:
http://ancientexodus.com/2013/04/11/mount-sinai-and-the-apostle-paul/

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Nice presentation, but obviously 'above' is not being used in a geographic sense in this scripture. It's a reference to being closer to God, higher on the spiritual evolutionary scale, if you like. The Bible is all about absolutes, so when it speaks of directions up and down, above and below etc, it is doing so on the basis of a flat domed stationary earth above which is heaven, below is Sheol. The literal and figurative meanings are thereby rendered consistently.

When are you going to admit at least to the point that Biblical cosmology is opposed to modern Babylonian heliocentric and Egyptian 'cosmic egg' cosmologies?

I honestly cannot help people who hold tightly to a belief in a flat Earth (and that is all that they want to see). It's kind of obvious everyone knows the Earth is round. It's like saying that flight travel is fake or something. It's just dumb. I am sorry. If the Bible told you flight travel for man was not possible, you could misinterpret Scripture to defend that view, but we know people have traveled by plane. When men were sent to the moon, flat Earthers are essentially calling them liars. It's a government conspiracy. For what? What purpose? It makes absolutey no sense. What do they have to gain by lying? Then there is basic observational skills in Science one has to ignore, as well. While God's Word is not a Science book, God's Word does not contradict Science. It breaths in harmony with it. Flat earthers do not understand basic observation in Science and or spacial reasoning (See my posts here, and here). While the stories of the Bible are literal, flat Earthers read the Bible with wooden literalism. This is a serious error (in not understanding what His Word is really saying in this particular point and or topic). We have to understand that men wrote what they observed. They did not have space shuttles and or space suits to travel into space in Bible times.

kiwimac said:

Do not think to lecture me on what Christians' believe.

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Especially not Non-Trinitarians.

Bible Highlighter said:

It's kind of obvious everyone knows the Earth is round. It's like saying that flight travel is fake or something. It's just dumb.

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Indeed. I'm still trying to understand what would make people say something so silly.

Bible Highlighter said:

When men were sent to the moon, flat Earthers are essentially calling them liars.

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They also describe as liars millions of people who have taken flights which Flat Earthers say don't exist, millions of people who experience Southern stars at night and long days in the Southern summer, millions of astronomers, and millions of map-makers and surveyors.

Bible Highlighter said:

It's a government conspiracy. For what? What purpose? It makes absolutey no sense.

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A conspiracy that has, they claim, lasted 2500 years, through the rise and fall of Alexander and the rise and fall of the Romans. It truly makes no sense at all.

Radagast said:

Indeed. I'm still trying to understand what would make people say something so silly.



They also describe as liars millions of people who have taken flights which Flat Earthers say don't exist, millions of people who experience Southern stars at night and long days in the Southern summer, millions of astronomers, and millions of map-makers and surveyors.



A conspiracy that has, they claim, lasted 2500 years, through the rise and fall of Alexander and the rise and fall of the Romans. It truly makes no sense at all.

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Well, there are only 10,000 astronomers alive currently, and the list of astronomers listed at Wikipedia is not a million. I also doubt there are millions map makers, as well. Perhaps you meant figuratively in regards to these particular people. In either case, I agree with the rest of what you said. It makes no sense to hide the truth. What do the governments of the world have to gain by lying about the shape of the Earth? It also does not sound reasonable that average people (who take flights) are in on the lie, too. Again, what do they have to gain?

Basically all logic, and reasoning must be thrown out the door in favor of believing in a flat Earth. Wooden literalism (not normal literalism) and the Bible do not mix. Just because God spoke to men of God from their limited perspective that the Earth looked flat (based on what they could see) does not mean that it actually was that way literally.

@Radagast

Besides employing wooden literalism via by interpreting a flat Earth from Scripture, another example of wood literalism in my view is the literalist view of the story of Noah and Ham.

You can check that out in this CF thread here (if you are interested):

Biblical Metaphors Shed Light on Ham's Sin in Noah's Tent.

Bible Highlighter said:

Well, there are only 10,000 astronomers alive currently

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There's a lot of amateur astronomers out there, actually.

Radagast said:

There's a lot of amateur astronomers out there, actually.

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Yes, there are a ton of amateur astronomers out there.

Bible Highlighter said:

I trust the King James Bible (circa. 1900 Cambridge Edition) is the divinely inspired Word of God and that Modern Translations come from a corrupt source that attack God's preserved Holy Word for our day. Here are 30 reasons (I posted here at CF).

30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today

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You are wrong.

Radagast said:

Especially not Non-Trinitarians.

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Me? I'm a trinitarian.

Give a good reason, from the Bible, why these accounts in the Bible should not be taken as stated in the Bible.

Genesis 1:16,17, Joshua 10:12-15, Isaiah 38: 4-9, Matthew 24:29

What perplexes me is how people (christian believers) who use science to interpret the Bible, either do not understand that they are doing this. Or they simply just do not see anything wrong with using science to do this.

To me they are basically saying that Gods revelations given in the Bible could not be fully understood. Until pagan science was developed enough, that they could then finally explain what God is saying to His humanity.

What is also a mystery, is how many, will reject evolution, But accept from the same science, the lies about the outer space, globe earth, flying in a little metal cylinder 230,000 miles to a rock floating in outer space, etc.....

d taylor said:

What is also a mystery, is how many, will reject evolution, But accept from the same science, the lies about the outer space, globe earth, flying in a little metal cylinder 230,000 miles to a rock floating in outer space, etc.....

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There is a huge difference between the two.

Creation vs Evolution
The Bible implicitly teaches creation over 6 days.
We are given the order of creation which is completely different from evolution
We are told God made man from the dirt, breathed into him and he became a living person which could not be any more different from evolution.
Jesus quoted from Genesis
Paul talks about the people in Genesis.
God creating in 6 days is mentioned twice in Exodus, a completely different book from Genesis.
Creation underpins many doctrines such as where sin came from, why Jesus is the second Adam, why we wear clothes and marriage.

Flat earth vs a sphere earth.
The only scripture on the shape of the earth says that the earth is a circle.
There are no verses saying the earth is flat and also none saying it's a sphere.
There are no doctrines based on it so nothing is to be gained by believing or not believing what the shape is.
The shape of the earth is not a Biblical teaching apart from us knowing it isn't a cube or any other odd shape. Which means flat earth is a man-made teaching. If the Bible truly taught a flat earth I would believe it, but it doesn't.

coffee4u said:

There is a huge difference between the two.

Creation vs Evolution
The Bible implicitly teaches creation over 6 days.
We are given the order of creation which is completely different from evolution
We are told God made man from the dirt, breathed into him and he became a living person which could not be any more different from evolution.
Jesus quoted from Genesis
Paul talks about the people in Genesis.
God creating in 6 days is mentioned twice in Exodus, a completely different book from Genesis.
Creation underpins many doctrines such as where sin came from, why Jesus is the second Adam, why we wear clothes and marriage.

Flat earth vs a sphere earth.
The only scripture on the shape of the earth says that the earth is a circle.
There are no verses saying the earth is flat and also none saying it's a sphere.
There are no doctrines based on it so nothing is to be gained by believing or not believing what the shape is.
The shape of the earth is not a Biblical teaching apart from us knowing it isn't a cube or any other odd shape. Which means flat earth is a man-made teaching. If the Bible truly taught a flat earth I would believe it, but it doesn't.

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In Genesis 1:16 the Bible states God created two great lights. What is the difference.

Why do you not accept this statement from the Bible. And instead believe science when they say the moon reflects the suns light.

coffee4u said:

Flat earth vs a sphere earth.
The only scripture on the shape of the earth says that the earth is a circle.
There are no verses saying the earth is flat and also none saying it's a sphere.
There are no doctrines based on it so nothing is to be gained by believing or not believing what the shape is.
The shape of the earth is not a Biblical teaching apart from us knowing it isn't a cube or any other odd shape. Which means flat earth is a man-made teaching. If the Bible truly taught a flat earth I would believe it, but it doesn't.

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That's the approach, move along nothing to see here.

While the things above are paramount, if we speak of earthly things and ye believe not, well what then? And the structure of God's creation is important, or at least, rightly understanding what it is.

If you're comfortable that the word of God and worldly knowledge have anything in common, then you'd have to be off-base. For the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. Moreover, the whole world lies in the hands of the evil one, and he was a liar from the beginning.

So have faith in God's word above proud worldly knowledge. There is a way that seems right, but that way leads to Sheol. The Biblical cosmos is flat, domed and stationary. It couldn't be any other way and still have absolute direction and perfect rest. God is not a relativist, dualist or heliocentrist, that would be heresy. Make your paths straight for the Lord.

kiwimac said:

Me? I'm a trinitarian.

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As am I. That's more than can be said for some people on this thread, going by comments that have been made.

coffee4u said:

The shape of the earth is not a Biblical teaching apart from us knowing it isn't a cube or any other odd shape. Which means flat earth is a man-made teaching. If the Bible truly taught a flat earth I would believe it, but it doesn't.

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As a matter of historical fact, though, the Church has always taught that the Earth is globular.