20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

iamlamad · Jul 22, 2020

TribulationSigns said:
Well, make that 17,000,000 reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine, on top of Jewish Pharisees who believe the same thing about their literal temple, nation, throne, stones, holy land, sacrifice systems, etc.

You can be wrong if you want to be: it seems that is the way you have chosen.

Timtofly · Jul 22, 2020

iamlamad said:
If you wish to include all those born again during the church age as a part of the harvest, then the harvest started on the day of Pentecost. The "last days" started then too. I submit that the harvest will continue on through the millennium. New people will be born.

The church was the harvest carried out directly under the Holy Spirit. The harvest in Revelation will be of the Lamb and the 144K. People living in the next 1000 years does not seem to be that big of issue with John, nor God. That is the complaint that it only has one chapter. Revelation 20 actually has little to do with the church at all. That is the problem with most theology. They want to make it fit someplace, but it does not fit one iota for the church. Unless there is some sinister plan to eradicate every form of Bible off the face of the earth in the next 5 years, there will be a witness for what to expect on the other side.

iamlamad · Jul 22, 2020

Timtofly said:
The church was the harvest carried out directly under the Holy Spirit. The harvest in Revelation will be of the Lamb and the 144K. People living in the next 1000 years does not seem to be that big of issue with John, nor God. That is the complaint that it only has one chapter. Revelation 20 actually has little to do with the church at all. That is the problem with most theology. They want to make it fit someplace, but it does not fit one iota for the church. Unless there is some sinister plan to eradicate every form of Bible off the face of the earth in the next 5 years, there will be a witness for what to expect on the other side.

I disagree: the church plus the Old Testament saints are those seated on thrones judging.

Zao is life · Jul 22, 2020

keras said:
The Seventh Seal:
Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.

We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8
Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the Biblical kings reigning periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 29/30 AD. Luke 3:1 2

It had been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of exactly 20.8 earth years. But that is only the center of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour; from 1/4 to 3/4 of an hour = 15 to 25 years. [I believe the shorter one]

Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – then the Seventh Seal follows immediately afterwards. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth!

A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return in 2031.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.
Ref; logostelos.info

Thanks for your reply. It's an interesting point of view. Not sure if I agree or disagree with the method of calculation but I appreciate your reply.

sovereigngrace · Jul 22, 2020

iamlamad said:
Who that understands anything of scripture would do anything with amil except dismiss it as false doctrine?

You have clearly no rebuttal to it by your constant avoidance. Please address the 17 points above.

Timtofly · Jul 22, 2020

iamlamad said:
I disagree: the church plus the Old Testament saints are those seated on thrones judging.

If those thrones are in the temple of God? If you can figure out where the temple of God is located? What would you need 10 billion thrones for? Where would you put them?

BABerean2 · Jul 23, 2020

iamlamad said:
I disagree: the church plus the Old Testament saints are those seated on thrones judging.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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sovereigngrace · Jul 28, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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Clearly Jesus holds sovereign power now.

Jamdoc · Aug 4, 2020

Reading 2nd Timothy and this stood out.
In regards to the amillennials here who claim the first resurrection referred to in Revelation 20 was the Resurrection of Jesus 3 days after calvalry.
It's not.

2 Timothy 2:16-18

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

All of revelation was written decades after when preterists and amillennials and historicists claim it refers to. Paul's epistles were all written after Jesus' ascension.. if Paul says the resurrection has not taken place yet, then the resurrection he is talking about, and remember, in 1 Thessalonians 4 He talks about the rapture and being caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds, that is the resurrection He looks to, not the one of condemnation. But that resurrection he looks forward to had not taken place yet in Paul's ministry, nor has it taken place yet now. It is still a future event.

BABerean2 · Aug 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Reading 2nd Timothy and this stood out.
In regards to the amillennials here who claim the first resurrection referred to in Revelation 20 was the Resurrection of Jesus 3 days after calvalry.
It's not.

You are correct.
It is found below.

John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(Greek NT TR) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(NLT) “I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

It is the spiritual resurrection from the dead, which occurs when a person comes to faith in Christ.

The "souls" found at the beginning of Revelation 20 have already been through this process.

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Timtofly · Aug 4, 2020

BABerean2 said:
You are correct.
It is found below.

John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(Greek NT TR) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(NLT) “I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

It is the spiritual resurrection from the dead, which occurs when a person comes to faith in Christ.

The "souls" found at the beginning of Revelation 20 have already been through this process.

Satan already had 3.5 years? You all have an interesting definition of sin. There has not been a physical kingdom, but there will be. That is the point in the Bible amil deny. They accept Satan has ruled on earth for 42 months. They accept 2 witnesses already lived and died during that same 42 month period. They think the Roman army, was Jesus Christ fighting the battle of Armageddon. They, all amil and post mil, teach that. There is one big problem. The early church fathers never taught that. It is a lie straight from Satan to lull the church asleep, waiting for this earth to go on evolving into Satan's perfect dominion with God relagated to some million year away reality.

sovereigngrace · Aug 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Reading 2nd Timothy and this stood out.
In regards to the amillennials here who claim the first resurrection referred to in Revelation 20 was the Resurrection of Jesus 3 days after calvalry.
It's not.

2 Timothy 2:16-18

All of revelation was written decades after when preterists and amillennials and historicists claim it refers to. Paul's epistles were all written after Jesus' ascension.. if Paul says the resurrection has not taken place yet, then the resurrection he is talking about, and remember, in 1 Thessalonians 4 He talks about the rapture and being caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds, that is the resurrection He looks to, not the one of condemnation. But that resurrection he looks forward to had not taken place yet in Paul's ministry, nor has it taken place yet now. It is still a future event.

So, you deny the physical resurrection of Christ and you deny it was the first?

Jamdoc · Aug 4, 2020

BABerean2 said:
You are correct.
It is found below.

John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(Greek NT TR) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(NLT) “I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

It is the spiritual resurrection from the dead, which occurs when a person comes to faith in Christ.

The "souls" found at the beginning of Revelation 20 have already been through this process.

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There is a difference between having something guaranteed to us, which is what is meant by all those verses, its a promise, a guarantee, vs something that has already happened, which is what Paul is talking about. The resurrection of life is guaranteed, but has not happened yet, believers have not been physically resurrected yet.

sovereigngrace said:
So, you deny the physical resurrection of Christ and you deny it was the first?

No, I deny that that is what Paul or John were referring to, but rather the resurrection when Jesus comes in the clouds.

1 Thessalonians 4

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Who is resurrected here? Not everybody good and wicked, but the dead in Christ, then those who are alive raise up to meet Him and be forever with Him. This is not a general resurrection for everyone this is a resurrection of nobody but those in Christ. This is the Resurrection of life that Jesus talks about in John 5:24 and 5:29, that the 2nd death has no power over in Revelation 20:4-6. The second resurrection of everyone including the wicked (meaning that there'd have to be some good left over after the first resurrection, which means there is time between the first resurrection and 2nd resurrection, specifically 1000 years where some people will come to Christ) is what is referred to in John 5:28, and Revelation 20:12-13, that in John 5:29 Jesus refers to the resurrection of damnation.

When Jesus was resurrected He was not coming down from heaven with a shout, and the trump of God. He was rising from his tomb with an earthquake and the boulder dislodged from the entrance.

If you want to argue semantics about Jesus being "the first" then Lazarus was physically resurrected before Jesus.
John was not referring to that, John was referring to a future tense resurrection of believers, in both his gospel, and in revelation, and in both his gospel, and revelation, there are 2 waves of mass resurrection. A first for those in Christ, "they that hear" as Jesus put it, and a second for everyone else. John separates them by 1000 years. Paul was awaiting a resurrection at Christ's return, and the way he worded it, it was a resurrection for those in Christ, not everyone, and Paul specified in 2 Timothy, that that resurrection has not happened yet, and that those who say it has already happened are in error.

Timtofly · Aug 4, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
So, you deny the physical resurrection of Christ and you deny it was the first?

So you deny St. Nicholas, aka, Santa Claus was a close friend of Aristotle?

BABerean2 · Aug 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
There is a difference between having something guaranteed to us, which is what is meant by all those verses, its a promise, a guarantee, vs something that has already happened, which is what Paul is talking about. The resurrection of life is guaranteed, but has not happened yet, believers have not been physically resurrected yet.

No, I deny that that is what Paul or John were referring to, but rather the resurrection when Jesus comes in the clouds.

1 Thessalonians 4

Who is resurrected here? Not everybody good and wicked, but the dead in Christ, then those who are alive raise up to meet Him and be forever with Him. This is not a general resurrection for everyone this is a resurrection of nobody but those in Christ. This is the Resurrection of life that Jesus talks about in John 5:24 and 5:29, that the 2nd death has no power over in Revelation 20:4-6. The second resurrection of everyone including the wicked (meaning that there'd have to be some good left over after the first resurrection, which means there is time between the first resurrection and 2nd resurrection, specifically 1000 years where some people will come to Christ) is what is referred to in John 5:28, and Revelation 20:12-13, that in John 5:29 Jesus refers to the resurrection of damnation.

When Jesus was resurrected He was not coming down from heaven with a shout, and the trump of God. He was rising from his tomb with an earthquake and the boulder dislodged from the entrance.

If you want to argue semantics about Jesus being "the first" then Lazarus was physically resurrected before Jesus.
John was not referring to that, John was referring to a future tense resurrection of believers, in both his gospel, and in revelation, and in both his gospel, and revelation, there are 2 waves of mass resurrection. A first for those in Christ, "they that hear" as Jesus put it, and a second for everyone else. John separates them by 1000 years. Paul was awaiting a resurrection at Christ's return, and the way he worded it, it was a resurrection for those in Christ, not everyone, and Paul specified in 2 Timothy, that that resurrection has not happened yet, and that those who say it has already happened are in error.

Why are you ignoring the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, with reward for some, and destruction for others?
This verse proves the book is not in chronological order.
This is confirmed by Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.

In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.
The judgment of the dead is at the end of Revelation 20.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.
The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Therefore, Paul and Revelation 11:18 reveal the timeline of Revelation chapter 20.

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Jamdoc · Aug 4, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Why are you ignoring the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, with reward for some, and destruction for others?
This verse proves the book is not in chronological order.
This is confirmed by Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16, and He also returns in chapter 19.

In 2 Timothy 4:1 Paul said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.
The judgment of the dead is at the end of Revelation 20.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.
The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Therefore, Paul and Revelation 11:18 reveal the timeline of Revelation chapter 20.

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So you want to believe, that Jesus returns, resurrects everyone, then kills them all again?
Have you thought this through? Jesus resurrecting believers then incinerating them?

BABerean2 · Aug 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
So you want to believe, that Jesus returns, resurrects everyone, then kills them all again?
Have you thought this through? Jesus resurrecting believers then incinerating them?

Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.

The text above makes it clear that some will be condemned and some will not.
This agrees with John 5:27-30, and Revelation 11:18.

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Jamdoc · Aug 4, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.

The text above makes it clear that some will be condemned and some will not.
This agrees with John 5:27-30, and Revelation 11:18.

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But your whole position resides on Jesus' return instantly destroying the entire planet.
Why resurrect just before, rather than after?
but Paul is clear that the dead in Christ are resurrected as Jesus comes down with a shout.

So if your position applies, Jesus resurrects them just to destroy them again.

sovereigngrace · Aug 5, 2020

Jamdoc said:
There is a difference between having something guaranteed to us, which is what is meant by all those verses, its a promise, a guarantee, vs something that has already happened, which is what Paul is talking about. The resurrection of life is guaranteed, but has not happened yet, believers have not been physically resurrected yet.

No, I deny that that is what Paul or John were referring to, but rather the resurrection when Jesus comes in the clouds.

1 Thessalonians 4

Who is resurrected here? Not everybody good and wicked, but the dead in Christ, then those who are alive raise up to meet Him and be forever with Him. This is not a general resurrection for everyone this is a resurrection of nobody but those in Christ. This is the Resurrection of life that Jesus talks about in John 5:24 and 5:29, that the 2nd death has no power over in Revelation 20:4-6. The second resurrection of everyone including the wicked (meaning that there'd have to be some good left over after the first resurrection, which means there is time between the first resurrection and 2nd resurrection, specifically 1000 years where some people will come to Christ) is what is referred to in John 5:28, and Revelation 20:12-13, that in John 5:29 Jesus refers to the resurrection of damnation.

When Jesus was resurrected He was not coming down from heaven with a shout, and the trump of God. He was rising from his tomb with an earthquake and the boulder dislodged from the entrance.

If you want to argue semantics about Jesus being "the first" then Lazarus was physically resurrected before Jesus.
John was not referring to that, John was referring to a future tense resurrection of believers, in both his gospel, and in revelation, and in both his gospel, and revelation, there are 2 waves of mass resurrection. A first for those in Christ, "they that hear" as Jesus put it, and a second for everyone else. John separates them by 1000 years. Paul was awaiting a resurrection at Christ's return, and the way he worded it, it was a resurrection for those in Christ, not everyone, and Paul specified in 2 Timothy, that that resurrection has not happened yet, and that those who say it has already happened are in error.

Revelation 20:6 simply says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.”

The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection - Christ's or the resurrection that occurs at the second coming? This is a pretty simply question.

Which is the foremost resurrection in time?
Which is the foremost resurrection in place?
Which is the foremost resurrection in order?
Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?

Jamdoc · Aug 5, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
Revelation 20:6 simply says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.”

The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection - Christ's or the resurrection that occurs at the second coming? This is a pretty simply question.

Which is the foremost resurrection in time?
Which is the foremost resurrection in place?
Which is the foremost resurrection in order?
Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?

In that case again, semantics, if you want to go for that, Lazarus was resurrected BY Jesus before Jesus was resurrected.

and let's be clear, I showed you where the Apostle Paul says your preterist viewpoint is in ERROR.

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