COVID-19. I disagree with my pastors.

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

dqhall said:
The younger people refusing to wear face masks are not respecting their elders. Ignoring the safety of others led to disease and loss. People refused safety measures, then they complained about places being shutdown. Young Chinese people wore face masks. Their economy is growing.

Well said. The primary purpose of a mask is to prevent the person wearing it from passing the virus on to others. Those not wearing masks, unless they are one of the rare people who have medical conditions that prevent wearing masks, are not loving their neighbors as themselves. The easiest way to slow the COVID spread is to maintain social distance and wear masks.

Dave L · Aug 4, 2020

Mel62 said:
My city allows churches to assemble outdoors as long as they comply with the mask and social distancing requirements.

My church has signs, free masks and free hand sanitizer to comply with the city regulations. We assemble but the younger church members refuse to wear a mask citing various opinions based on the bible (God will protect me), medical opinions on covid (just the flu), etc. News crews show up to video tape the event. The next day the church is contacted by city officials to discuss our compliance issues.

I think the younger Christians are simply not compassionate. They haven't taken Love Your Neighbor to heart. I wish I saw more of a movement to contribute to food banks and medical charities and pray for our neighbors.

My pastors say we have the right to assemble. They focus more on government intervention instead of compliance and compassion for others.

I know the Holy Spirit directs each individual in their own way. I am wondering if I should say something to my pastors OR simply be accepting of their journey. Any ideas?

The "God will protect me bunch" are refusing God's protection when they shun masks and social distancing. It's crazy to even go to church now.

Sophrosyne · Aug 4, 2020

Archivist said:
Well said. The primary purpose of a mask is to prevent the person wearing it from passing the virus on to others. Those not wearing masks, unless they are one of the rare people who have medical conditions that prevent wearing masks, are not loving their neighbors as themselves.

Then by that logic everyone needs to wear masks forever because we have been passing viruses on to people back and forth all our lives and some die because of it and some get very sick. If one.... ONE person dies or gets sick because of us not wearing a mask from birth we are not "loving" others.... correct?

grasping the after wind · Aug 4, 2020

Mel62 said:
My city allows churches to assemble outdoors as long as they comply with the mask and social distancing requirements.

My church has signs, free masks and free hand sanitizer to comply with the city regulations. We assemble but the younger church members refuse to wear a mask citing various opinions based on the bible (God will protect me), medical opinions on covid (just the flu), etc. News crews show up to video tape the event. The next day the church is contacted by city officials to discuss our compliance issues.

I think the younger Christians are simply not compassionate. They haven't taken Love Your Neighbor to heart. I wish I saw more of a movement to contribute to food banks and medical charities and pray for our neighbors.

My pastors say we have the right to assemble. They focus more on government intervention instead of compliance and compassion for others.

I know the Holy Spirit directs each individual in their own way. I am wondering if I should say something to my pastors OR simply be accepting of their journey. Any ideas?

IMO speaking up is always best. As long as it is tactful and truthful, without rancor or accusations.

Silly Uncle Wayne · Aug 4, 2020

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Mel62 said:
My city allows churches to assemble outdoors as long as they comply with the mask and social distancing requirements.

My church has signs, free masks and free hand sanitizer to comply with the city regulations. We assemble but the younger church members refuse to wear a mask citing various opinions based on the bible (God will protect me), medical opinions on covid (just the flu), etc. News crews show up to video tape the event. The next day the church is contacted by city officials to discuss our compliance issues.

I think the younger Christians are simply not compassionate. They haven't taken Love Your Neighbor to heart. I wish I saw more of a movement to contribute to food banks and medical charities and pray for our neighbors.

My pastors say we have the right to assemble. They focus more on government intervention instead of compliance and compassion for others.

I know the Holy Spirit directs each individual in their own way. I am wondering if I should say something to my pastors OR simply be accepting of their journey. Any ideas?

It is your pastors' responsibility to deal with this, so I think you should say something to them. Churches right now should be teaching on the necessity of loving other people and given the reasons why it is sensible to wear masks when convening together.

Unfortunately I think most young people get their information via viral memes and tweets, combatting that is harder, but it is a necessity.

AppleCider · Aug 4, 2020

Redwingfan9 · Aug 4, 2020

Mel62 said:
My city allows churches to assemble outdoors as long as they comply with the mask and social distancing requirements.

My church has signs, free masks and free hand sanitizer to comply with the city regulations. We assemble but the younger church members refuse to wear a mask citing various opinions based on the bible (God will protect me), medical opinions on covid (just the flu), etc. News crews show up to video tape the event. The next day the church is contacted by city officials to discuss our compliance issues.

I think the younger Christians are simply not compassionate. They haven't taken Love Your Neighbor to heart. I wish I saw more of a movement to contribute to food banks and medical charities and pray for our neighbors.

My pastors say we have the right to assemble. They focus more on government intervention instead of compliance and compassion for others.

I know the Holy Spirit directs each individual in their own way. I am wondering if I should say something to my pastors OR simply be accepting of their journey. Any ideas?

Masks are nothing but a placebo, they aren't protecting anyone from anything. There are numerous pre-covid studies which indicate that cloth masks are worthless and masks generally are worthless outside of sterile environments.

The church has a God ordained duty to meet on its terms and without government intervention. God does not require masks in order to worship him and any requirement is unscriptural and should be ignored.

This is not an issue of loving your neighbor because that works both ways. What about all the people with medical problems that prevent the wearing of placebo masks? What about children with autism, slow speech or trouble hearing? Don't we have compassion or love for them? What about people with mental illnesses that cannot wear masks? No love for them?

BNR32FAN · Aug 4, 2020

topher694 said:
I'm getting sick of this "compassion for others" routine. Just because people see things differently than you, especially on an issue as layered as this, does not make them less compassionate. It's actually quite a divisive and, ironically, incompassionate thing to accuse others of. Could there be some people who fit that description? Sure. But, if so, they most likely did long before the masks, and it has deeper roots than simply wearing a mask or not.

Personally I wouldn’t call it a lack of compassion for others I’d call it a lack of consideration for others. I’d also say that it’s a matter of leading by example. If everyone adopted the same mentality that they don’t need a mask then we’re not doing everything we can to protect ourselves. It’s just a precaution that can help reduce the spread. I don’t think anyone has said that masks will stop the spread or completely protect us.

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

Sophrosyne said:
Then by that logic everyone needs to wear masks forever because we have been passing viruses on to people back and forth all our lives and some die because of it and some get very sick. If one.... ONE person dies or gets sick because of us not wearing a mask from birth we are not "loving" others.... correct?

Wrong. Under normal circumstances we are not dealing with a highly contagious and very deadly virus. And yes, it has been said that we could considerably reduce the spread of COVID if people would wear masks and socially distance.

BNR32FAN · Aug 4, 2020

AppleCider said:
People in the world are wearing mask and is a no issue. It's already August and Americans are still debating about wearing a mask. It's so bizarre.

"I couldn't breathe. It's uncomfortable. The Bible says this. It's my right. I have a medical issue. It's fake news. Waahhhhh I don't wanna wear a mask while stomping the floor!" LoOl

People with COPD and asthma can actually have serious health risks from wearing masks. Typically those with a bad enough case of COPD are on full time oxygen tho and can wear an oxygen mask instead of the nasal tubes. It’s a bit more uncomfortable but a lot safer because these people are at the highest risk of death resulting from COVID19.

BNR32FAN · Aug 4, 2020

Archivist said:
Wrong. Under normal circumstances we are not dealing with a highly contagious and very deadly virus.

Perhaps to some it is not deadly but those people can still spread it to those who are at high risk of death due to COVID19. COVID19 is undeniably highly contagious. From 0 to 4.6 million cases in 8 months is considered highly contagious my friend.

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
People with COPD and asthma can actually have serious health risks from wearing masks. Typically those with a bad enough case of COPD are on full time oxygen tho and can wear an oxygen mask instead of the nasal tubes. It’s a bit more uncomfortable but a lot safer because these people are at the highest risk of death resulting from COVID19.

True. I said earlier that there are people who cannot wear masks. However, they are relatively few in number. Most of the people I see not wearing masks are not going maskless because they have COPD or asthma. As to asthma, it is only people with severe cases that cannot wear masks. I have asthma and I wear one.

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Perhaps to some it is not deadly but those people can still spread it to those who are at high risk of death due to COVID19. COVID19 is undeniably highly contagious. From 0 to 4.6 million cases in 8 months is considered highly contagious my friend.

Yes, that's what I said. Have you read my posts? That is why people need to wear masks and socially distance.

BNR32FAN · Aug 4, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
The church has a God ordained duty to meet on its terms and without government intervention. God does not require masks in order to worship him and any requirement is unscriptural and should be ignored.

The church is also instructed to respect the local authorities. Wearing a mask does not impede our congregating or worship, it’s simply a slight inconvenience.

Sophrosyne · Aug 4, 2020

Archivist said:
Wrong. Under normal circumstances we are not dealing with a highly contagious and very deadly virus. And yes, it has been said that we could considerably reduce the spread of COVID if people would wear masks and socially distance.

So normally we are "loving" when someone dies from a virus we pass to them it is only this one highly infectious virus that makes it unloving to infect others with.... Ok I got it now.

BNR32FAN · Aug 4, 2020

Archivist said:
Yes, that's what I said. Have you read my posts? That is why people need to wear masks and socially distance.

Im sorry I haven’t seen your other posts. I only saw the one I quoted. We’re you being sarcastic in that post because it seemed like you were saying that COVID19 is not deadly or highly contagious?

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

Sophrosyne said:
So normally we are "loving" when someone dies from a virus we pass to them it is only this one highly infectious virus that makes it unloving to infect others with.... Ok I got it now.

So you would have everyone wear masks all the time?

pgp_protector · Aug 4, 2020

Our church decided to hold an Evening outdoor service, (California) But isn't requiring mask

While I would of loved to go, my Wife is in a very High risk group, and with the small quad area they had everyone it, it just isn't worth the risk to her health.

Even though it might not affect me that much, I can't afford the risk of passing it on to her.

Archivist · Aug 4, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Im sorry I haven’t seen your other posts. I only saw the one I quoted. We’re you being sarcastic in that post because it seemed like you were saying that COVID19 is not deadly or highly contagious?

True reading what I wrote: "Under normal circumstances we are not dealing with a highly contagious and very deadly virus." These aren't normal circumstances.

Redwingfan9 · Aug 4, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
The church is also instructed to respect the local authorities. Wearing a mask does not impede our congregating or worship, it’s simply a slight inconvenience.

Of course it impedes on worship. It prevents the singing of psalms and it prevents the taking of communion. It's also not healthy to breathe in your own CO2 for long periods of time. It's also a problem for those people I previously mentioned, who cannot wear masks. Beyond that, the masks are ineffective and nothing more than a placebo.

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