NFL to allow social justice messages in end zone, players to wear decals of police brutality victims

Aldebaran said:

I don't doubt it. People tune in to sports to get away from the news, politics, their job, and pretty much everything else. The last thing they want is for the news and reminders of those causing riots to be making appearances.
But on a side note, the cable companies are starting to get in on the act by putting up "social justice" messages in the middle of TV shows and movies. No way to avoid it accept to unsubscribe.

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Makes me wonder if networks could actually sue cable companies for doing this. They spend a lot of money producing certain TV shows and if a cable company offends the viewership and they turn off wouldn't the networks or movie companies be ticked?

Bobber said:

Makes me wonder if networks could actually sue cable companies for doing this. They spend a lot of money producing certain TV shows and if a cable company offends the viewership and they turn off wouldn't the networks or movie companies be ticked?

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Most of them are bowing out to the PC police

Aldebaran said:

I don't doubt it. People tune in to sports to get away from the news, politics, their job, and pretty much everything else. The last thing they want is for the news and reminders of those causing riots to be making appearances.
But on a side note, the cable companies are starting to get in on the act by putting up "social justice" messages in the middle of TV shows and movies. No way to avoid it accept to unsubscribe.

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Even cutting the cord doesn't help on some streaming services. I don't know why those companies has to be so moronic

Beanieboy said:

My hope is in Christ, but when I hear Christians, of all people, deny what is happening to black Americans, or judtify it, or call it whining or entitlement, or thinking God wants Glbtq killed or discriminated against...

there is no Christ in that Christianity, and honestly, is depressing. Is this what Jesus said we were to treat one another?

No wonder people keep leaving churches. So many have completely missed the point, so it may be good they are leaving, to understand out call to love, have compassion, support one another.

But some seeds fall on hard ground.

I mean, if one can't have any compassion when a 12 year old is killed and the officer walks, but claims the follow Jesus, then I only have hope in Jesus and thr HS to change that hard of a heart.

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When was the last time your heart was bleeding in a similar way for the people in the black community who are being shot to death weekly in South Side of Chicago?

When was the last time you had compassion for all the children who have died killed not by white officers, but by the violent offenders in the black neighborhoods?

Not minimizing police brutality, but last time I checked the stats, we are more likely to be killed by one of our own race than by a white police officer.

So your compassion appears very selective to me.

Searching1God said:

When was the last time your heart was bleeding in a similar way for the people in the black community who are being shot to death weekly in South Side of Chicago?

When was the last time you had compassion for all the children who have died killed not by white officers, but by the violent offenders in the black neighborhoods?

Not minimizing police brutality, but last time I checked the stats, we are more likely to be killed by one of our own race than by a white police officer.

So your compassion appears very selective to me.

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If you opposed abortion, for example, and were protesting, could I not say, "where is your protest against child abuse and neglect? Where is your passion to raise money for sick children with cancer? So, you don't care about children at all, do you?"

But it is a bit much to assume you have to address all aspects of children - pedophilia rings, neglect, abuse, foster care.

I also don't understand what you don't get about BLM. Are you okay with police officers killing citizens unlawfully, and often going unpunished for it? Is that what "Make America Great Again" means?

Remember Kent State? Did you just shrug when the protest of unarmed students resulted in the death of four students?

Police need to held accountable, especially since they are paid for with tax dollars.

This is very different than a citizen shooting another citizen. Neither funded by tax dollars. Neither's duty is to protect the public.

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If you opposed abortion, for example, and were protesting, could I not say, "where is your protest against child abuse and neglect? Where is your passion to raise money for sick children with cancer? So, you don't care about children at all, do you?"

But it is a bit much to assume you have to address all aspects of children - pedophilia rings, neglect, abuse, foster care.

I also don't understand what you don't get about BLM. Are you okay with police officers killing citizens unlawfully, and often going unpunished for it? Is that what "Make America Great Again" means?

Remember Kent State? Did you just shrug when the protest of unarmed students resulted in the death of four students?

Police need to held accountable, especially since they are paid for with tax dollars.

This is very different than a citizen shooting another citizen. Neither funded by tax dollars. Neither's duty is to protect the public.

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Nowhere in my post did I indicate I was okay with police officers killing citizens unlawfully, and often going unpunished for it.

My point was that you and I are statistically more likely to die at the hand of violent civilians than at the hands of white police officers. Do you have statistics to dispute this fact? If so, I would be happy to see them.

Originally, I was addressing your statement that somehow, people's not lining up with you behind BLM and defending all manner of protests somehow made you question Christians and Christianity. You are free to pick and choose which issues you are going to be passionate about. But isn't it a bit of a stretch to judge Christians and by extension Christianity if they don't share your passions on a particular issue?

I'm rather conservative, and let's face it -- we aren't being internally consistent with our principles if we think we can respond to cancel culture with...more cancel culture.

Also, let's face it -- sports has never been completely free of political activisim. Waaaay back in 1968, Tommie Smith and John Carlos gave a Black Panther power fist salute on the podium. And yet I don't see backlash and boycotts from white conservatives over the Olympics.

In the end, even if there are political movements aligned with it, sports are still sports. If we conservatives want to cancel everything we find objectionable, then let's all become more like the fundamentalists and cancel movies, dancing, alcohol, and anything else that has been tainted by sin. Which would be everything in life. God hates sexual immorality, pleasure-seeking, and drunkenness, so why not boycott anything remotely connected to those things, as well?

In the end, none of this is internally consistent, and just leads to more division, self-righteousness, legalism, and the like. I may not agree much with what BLM stands for (as an organization), but I also am commanded in the Bible to not like sexual immorality, pleasure-seeking, and drunkenness, so if I want to forbid sports because I don't morally agree with the politics, then I also need to cancel everything else I don't morally agree with, either. I'm then left with everything in the world, then, because everything is tainted by sin.

Aldebaran said:

Instead of "I blame the police", why not just blame the individual officer who actually did it? Blaming "the police" is why people in cities all over America and even other countries have done far more damage to their own cities and neighborhoods than the officer who contributed to George Loyd's death.

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It wasn't one individual officer; it was four.

And I blamed "the police" partly because "the police" were the entity being discussed and partly because the problems in the Minneapolis PD don't end with those officers.

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And I blamed "the police" partly because "the police" were the entity being discussed and partly because the problems in the Minneapolis PD don't end with those officers.

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No, it doesn't. There is the Democrat Police Chief and the Democrat City Council and the Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor, all running the very institution they claim is so racist.

Sistrin said:

No, it doesn't. There is the Democrat Police Chief and the Democrat City Council and the Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor, all running the very institution they claim is so racist.

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If I were a partisan fanboy, I might look for a reason to deny this, but I'm not.

2020 the year professional sports committed suicide while bowing to what they thought was a group supporting life but turns out to be a radical marxist group bent on the destruction of the US Republic. Just read their statement and purpose, they do not hide it.

Aldebaran said:

Do you think it might continue to other areas such as the entirely democrat-populated city council, or the democrat of a mayor? How about the police union, which is run by democrats?

Are you noticing a pattern there?

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Yeah, I notice that when you guys don't have anything especially substantive to add, you fall back on irrelevant partisan jabs that only you find clever.

I've never claimed that Democrats are perfect on this issue, so I don't know what exactly you're trying to prove here.

Aldebaran said:

Well, the going narrative so far is that the "police" are all bad, which goes along with the demands from the extreme left that "the police" (not just Minneapolis) be defunded. Now, why is that the case if they aren't all being lumped together as being equally bad?

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Defunding the police is (for most people anyways) about shifting funding from police to services better suited to addressing the variety of problems that, until now, we've been trying to solve by throwing more officers at.

AND, which political side is doing this?

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Again, I don't see how that even matter here. Are you pointing out that left-leaning citizens are unhappy with the policies enacted by their Democratic politicians? No kidding. The Democratic party doesn't have nearly the concentration of hyperpartisan loyalists, puritans and sycophants that the Republican party does. Many of us would happily vote for somebody other than a Democrat if it meant actually getting things done - it just happens to be the case that when the choice comes down to Dem v Rep, Republicans are worse on most points.

Do you see right wing conservative groups rioting and demanding that the police be defunded?

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No, I don't, which is part of why it's clear to everybody else that their incessant pearl clutching about rights and government overreach is little more than a pile of hypocritical double standards. Most conservatives IME are perfectly happy to have authoritarian abuse inflicted on anybody and everybody who isn't a white Republican. The fact that you guys have to be dragged kicking and screaming into any sort of reform is pretty shameful IMO.

Aldebaran said:

The idea worked when Bill Clinton approved funding for 100,000 new officers.

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Did it work? I'm not aware that it really did.

But where do you believe the funding should go. Social workers? Would you want to call one of them when your house is being broken into?

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I'm not going to relitigate this argument here. You're perfectly capable of going out and reading the proposals for where the funding should go, though that bolded sentence suggests to me that you're more interested in mocking it than in understanding it.

They have (or believe they have) women, the LGBTQWUJKA+ crowd, the MSM, Hollywood, and anyone who isn't a white Christian male. Isn't that enough?

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What are you talking about? None of this even follows from my response.

"Any sort of reform" has always been extremely radical type stuff when it's introduced by the left leaning side.

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Yeah, sentencing reductions, rehabilitation programs, drug treatment programs, diversion programs, and bail reform are all "extremely radical."

What does the right have to offer other than mindlessly harsh authoritarianism? Nothing. Some folks on the right have gotten on board with left-pushed reforms because the current system is also incredibly expensive and conservatives like saving money, but there is no significant movement on the right to fix any of this.

Defunding the police has grown into more of a "completely eliminate police departments" type of agenda, and I'd like to see those very same people show us how they'd deal with rising crime if they got what they wish for. The huge spike in gun sales that have happened since all this began is an indication that they're willing to abandon their "guns are bad and should only be used by police" mentality.

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What makes you think it's folks on the left who are buying all of these guns?