In (Rev. 13) John sees a seven headed beast with ten horns coming up out of the sea[mankind], do you understand apocalyptic prophecy well enough to know what events that God has predetermined that will cause this beast to rise and cause the whole world to worship it, except those having faith in Christ?
What prophectic events causes the seven head, ten horn beast to rise up out of the sea? (Rev. 13)
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I know the antichrist arises out of this system, and 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 states what allows him to be revealed. Same chapter explains why many will go along with this system (v11). But what precipitates the system arising, and so many allowing it I can only speculate, but I would suspect some kind of global crisis. We've already seen from the pandemic how most are willing to trade freedom for safety. Some of the candidates: war, natural disaster, or economic collapse.
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Look to nature. When a species overpopulates all sorts of bad things happen. The end of days will be heralded by a global population explosion. 
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Rachel, appreciate your response. I will not yet reveal the answer as I understand prophecy, as I hope to get more responses before I do. I will say you have mentioned a couple of things that are confirmed within apocalyptic prophecy. First, it will be global, and second it has to do with natural disaster.
Having said that, do you know what prophecies I'm referring to?
Having said that, do you know what prophecies I'm referring to?
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Well, Jesus is coming you better get ready. You do not want to be deceived into taking the mark of the beast. Regulating who can buy or sell. Who has been vaccinated, who hasn't. Etc there will be a strong delusion to take the Mark. You will think your doing the right thing.
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I agree with what you have said, however, you are diverging from my question. I wish to keep this thread narrowly focused. I would like your response to the opening question if you have any thoughts. Thanks.
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The vision of the golden image of Dan. 2, is not it. I'll give you a clue. The prophecy is found in Rev. Don't give up so easily. To find the gems in God's word we must be willing to dig for them.
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First beast is Roman Catholic Church. Second beast is united states.
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BF, I repeat, what events within prophecy are revealed that cause this beast to arise from the sea. I don't wish at this time to get into what the symbolism of this beast represents. A great topic but not now. Are you SDA?
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From a biblical perspective, my estimate is that a prominent figure must burst onto the world scene suddenly and abruptly to the point that it literally changes the way the world operates: ie., the old world system crumbles under the weight of the beginning of a more influential new world system. Despite the conspiratorial connotations behind it, biblically speaking (or at least under this exegetical study), it appears that at its beginnings (the beginning of the NWO), it is first strongly motivated by justice and righteousness under the prominent figure. However, a sudden change such as this will inevitably be a difficult time for the world to transition from the old to the new -- just as Dan. 7:2 and Dan. 9:25 dictates:
“I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea."
(ref., Sea = Peoples, multitudes and nations [Rev. 17:15] this I think most would agree on)
"Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks, it shall be rebuilt again and fortified, but in a troubled time."
It isn't until one of the heads of the beast who had a fatal wound (Rev. 13:3) is healed that the whole world begins to be under the control of this beast. I speculate that the fatal wound was initially inflicted by the prominent figure which triggered the ending of the old world system and the dawning of a new one - which ultimately becomes the abomination that the author of Revelation foresaw when the head is healed.
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No I am not I am messianic, but I do agree with some of their prophecy. I do not believe Michael and Jesus are same person. I do not believe God started judging at millerite movement. I do believe fatal headwound was when Napoleon took pope captive. The events clearly show these beasts. City of seven hills. Drunk on blood of the saints. Beast coming from the earth. A new nation.
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The thing is, I do not believe this prominent figure is The Beast, only a harbinger of the LORD who restores of the temple that inevitably when he leaves, the temple is corrupted by the beast of Revelation 13, and in its place an abomination rises.
This prominent figure I speak of is the one Moses spoke of:
Acts 3:21-22 He (Jesus) must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as He promised long ago through His holy prophets. For Moses said, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you."
The chosen man for this task is also the one Malachi foretells as being the messenger of the LORD:
Malachi 3:1 See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the LORD you are seeking will come to His temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire will come.
Basically, this prominent figure is the LORD's anointed one described in Daniel 9:25, the one who restores everything including the temple and Jerusalem (the revival of the body of Christ, which would seem to be only a remnant will truly return. Perhaps this is the 144,000, the elect). That chosen man is known in Haggai as the "Signet Ring", Zerubbabel (which means "seed of Babylon" or "dispersion of confusion").
I'm really only skimming through this as there is much more to this, but I digress as you basically want to know what causes the rise of the beast of Revelation 13.
How it all starts is really the direct intervention of God in human affairs on a worldwide scale described in Haggai 2:7, and I believe He does this through the sudden arrival of this prominent figure He calls His signet ring - the LORD's sole authority on earth. (Haggai 2:20-23)
Haggai 2:7 In a little while I will once more shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. I will shake all nations, and what is desired by all nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory,’ says the Lord Almighty.
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What will cause the first beast of Rev. 13, to rise up out of the Sea?
I opened this thread not seeking an answer, as I’m as sure of the answer as I am sure that the word of God speaks the truth. The difficultly of course is with so many versions of assumed truths, discovering the truth requires humility, an opened mind thats willing to consider something different, then putting ones faith in what the Bible clearing says, contrary to ones personal bias. This is no small undertaking, thus few, if any will actually believe what I’ about to share, prior to the events coming to pass, even though prophecy clearly reveals the events.
I suspect that none who read this thread, has ever given thought to what will cause the first beast of (Rev. 13) to rise up out of the sea, nor will they likely give it any further study than the few insights I’m about to post. However, my real purpose in posting this thread is just to twig your interest in hopes that you will take the time and effort and go deeper into your own personal study. I will post a link to a study that I believe is on the cutting edge of what the Holy Spirit has made know to the last generations that will witness these events and the coming of Christ.
At this posting the few who have responded have made comments not specific to my question and I have not purposely responded because I don’t wish to get sidetracked, which is tempting and easy to do. I do appreciate all respondes nonetheless.
A couple of you have mentioned that you think it will be of the Lords doing and it will be global. You are correct.
Let’s think of the worlds population of seven billion people, of diverse races, cultures, languages, and of course religions, and those having no religion. God loves all 7 billion of us, and desires that we all repent and be saved. It is my belief that God has predetermined the length of time that this sinful planet shall exist. That time span is six thousand years, plus the thousand years of (Rev. 20) which will total seven thousand years. Afterwards a new heaven and earthy is created.
However, near the end of six thousand years He has predetermined a tribulation a time of wrath in which to test seven billion people.(Dan. 8:19) to see who will live by faith before He ends His offer of salvation. According to (Rev. 7 and 14) God will personnally select 144,000 servants/prophets that will deliver three messages during the tribulation. They will only speak the words that God gives them to speak, which is why no lie is found in their months, they are blameless, and the first fruits of the harvest to be gathered during the tribulation (Rev.14:1-5)
Let’s go back to (Rev. 7:1) and note that before the 144,000 servant/ prophets are sealed four angles are told to hold back four winds of the earth, to prevent any wind from blowing on the land ,sea or trees. Since this texts makes sense just as it reads, and too because there is no relevant texts that define land, sea, and trees as symbolic, they must be understood as literal.
Now as we move into the next prophecy (Rev. 8:2-9:21) we are introduced to six of the seven trumpets. Now pay attention! The first four trumpets is what brings the beast with seven heads and ten horns onto the worlds scene. The seven trumpets is the driving force of Revelations story.
Note in (Rev. 8:2) Seven angels standing before God, and they are given seven trumpets. Note, the damage that occurs on earth after the first angel sounds his trumpet in heaven (Rev.8:7). There is a meteoric hailstorm that burns up a third of earths grass and trees (vegetation) and million of lives, human and animals will be lost.
Trumpet # 2, (Rev.8:8,9): A huge mountain, [Asteroid, John had no idea of Asteroids in his day] strikes an ocean, one third of the sea creatures die, and a third of the ships in that sea are destroyed.
Trumpet #3 (Rev.8:10,11): A blazing star, [Asteroid] strikes a continent, one third of the rivers and springs of water become contaminated/poisonous. Due to the the impact of this asteroid, ground waves shear water-wells, septic systems, sewage lines, gas, and oil lines, and other toxic waste, spilling into rivers and springs of water, tens of thousands will die from drinking this bitter[poisonous] water.
Should we be willing to believe these first three trumpets as literal events as the Bible clearly indicates, then God is informing us how He intends too harm the land, sea, and trees as He informed us earlier in (Rev. 7:1) There is perfect harmony between these two prophecies.
Now note the 4th trumpet: A third of the light from the sun, moon, and stars will not shine upon the earth. This most likely will be caused by the volcanic ash, from the world wide earth quake mentioned in (Rev.8:5) the smoke from the fires that burn up a third of the earth because of the first trumpet, and possible the Asteroid of the third trumpets shifting titanic plates deep within the earth will cause many more earthquakes world wide, emitting tons of volcanic ash into our Jet stream that circles the earth. This lack of light will certainly effect crops from reaching maturity, thus food shortages world wide.
As we consider the first four trumpets, we can see how God will destroy the infrastructure of the wold. Highways and overpasses will crumble, along with bridges, power grids, and dams. Much of the worlds communication, manufacturing, and transportation will be brought to a standstill. Millions of lives and jobs will be gone in a very short period of time. The Covid pandemic will be considered a hick-up compared to what God is about to do.
It is under these circumstances that God intents to arrest the attention of every individual on earth. So that they will consider His everlasting gospel and make a intelligent decision either for or against it. (Mat.24:14)
In response to God’s first four trumpets mans reaction is symbolized in the beast rising from the sea [humanity] having seven heads and ten horns. Note, the beast is made up of seventeen players. Seven heads, ten horns. This is not an individual. And if you wish to share what you think this beast is, I'm willing to discuss this issue at this time.
However, it is my prayer that this thread will motivate you to spend more time in under-standing God’s plans to end this life as we now know it and at the same time make you more aware of what He is about to do and why. As I said earlier I will share a link if you want to study deeper into apocalyptic prophecy. Just let me know.
I opened this thread not seeking an answer, as I’m as sure of the answer as I am sure that the word of God speaks the truth. The difficultly of course is with so many versions of assumed truths, discovering the truth requires humility, an opened mind thats willing to consider something different, then putting ones faith in what the Bible clearing says, contrary to ones personal bias. This is no small undertaking, thus few, if any will actually believe what I’ about to share, prior to the events coming to pass, even though prophecy clearly reveals the events.
I suspect that none who read this thread, has ever given thought to what will cause the first beast of (Rev. 13) to rise up out of the sea, nor will they likely give it any further study than the few insights I’m about to post. However, my real purpose in posting this thread is just to twig your interest in hopes that you will take the time and effort and go deeper into your own personal study. I will post a link to a study that I believe is on the cutting edge of what the Holy Spirit has made know to the last generations that will witness these events and the coming of Christ.
At this posting the few who have responded have made comments not specific to my question and I have not purposely responded because I don’t wish to get sidetracked, which is tempting and easy to do. I do appreciate all respondes nonetheless.
A couple of you have mentioned that you think it will be of the Lords doing and it will be global. You are correct.
Let’s think of the worlds population of seven billion people, of diverse races, cultures, languages, and of course religions, and those having no religion. God loves all 7 billion of us, and desires that we all repent and be saved. It is my belief that God has predetermined the length of time that this sinful planet shall exist. That time span is six thousand years, plus the thousand years of (Rev. 20) which will total seven thousand years. Afterwards a new heaven and earthy is created.
However, near the end of six thousand years He has predetermined a tribulation a time of wrath in which to test seven billion people.(Dan. 8:19) to see who will live by faith before He ends His offer of salvation. According to (Rev. 7 and 14) God will personnally select 144,000 servants/prophets that will deliver three messages during the tribulation. They will only speak the words that God gives them to speak, which is why no lie is found in their months, they are blameless, and the first fruits of the harvest to be gathered during the tribulation (Rev.14:1-5)
Let’s go back to (Rev. 7:1) and note that before the 144,000 servant/ prophets are sealed four angles are told to hold back four winds of the earth, to prevent any wind from blowing on the land ,sea or trees. Since this texts makes sense just as it reads, and too because there is no relevant texts that define land, sea, and trees as symbolic, they must be understood as literal.
Now as we move into the next prophecy (Rev. 8:2-9:21) we are introduced to six of the seven trumpets. Now pay attention! The first four trumpets is what brings the beast with seven heads and ten horns onto the worlds scene. The seven trumpets is the driving force of Revelations story.
Note in (Rev. 8:2) Seven angels standing before God, and they are given seven trumpets. Note, the damage that occurs on earth after the first angel sounds his trumpet in heaven (Rev.8:7). There is a meteoric hailstorm that burns up a third of earths grass and trees (vegetation) and million of lives, human and animals will be lost.
Trumpet # 2, (Rev.8:8,9): A huge mountain, [Asteroid, John had no idea of Asteroids in his day] strikes an ocean, one third of the sea creatures die, and a third of the ships in that sea are destroyed.
Trumpet #3 (Rev.8:10,11): A blazing star, [Asteroid] strikes a continent, one third of the rivers and springs of water become contaminated/poisonous. Due to the the impact of this asteroid, ground waves shear water-wells, septic systems, sewage lines, gas, and oil lines, and other toxic waste, spilling into rivers and springs of water, tens of thousands will die from drinking this bitter[poisonous] water.
Should we be willing to believe these first three trumpets as literal events as the Bible clearly indicates, then God is informing us how He intends too harm the land, sea, and trees as He informed us earlier in (Rev. 7:1) There is perfect harmony between these two prophecies.
Now note the 4th trumpet: A third of the light from the sun, moon, and stars will not shine upon the earth. This most likely will be caused by the volcanic ash, from the world wide earth quake mentioned in (Rev.8:5) the smoke from the fires that burn up a third of the earth because of the first trumpet, and possible the Asteroid of the third trumpets shifting titanic plates deep within the earth will cause many more earthquakes world wide, emitting tons of volcanic ash into our Jet stream that circles the earth. This lack of light will certainly effect crops from reaching maturity, thus food shortages world wide.
As we consider the first four trumpets, we can see how God will destroy the infrastructure of the wold. Highways and overpasses will crumble, along with bridges, power grids, and dams. Much of the worlds communication, manufacturing, and transportation will be brought to a standstill. Millions of lives and jobs will be gone in a very short period of time. The Covid pandemic will be considered a hick-up compared to what God is about to do.
It is under these circumstances that God intents to arrest the attention of every individual on earth. So that they will consider His everlasting gospel and make a intelligent decision either for or against it. (Mat.24:14)
In response to God’s first four trumpets mans reaction is symbolized in the beast rising from the sea [humanity] having seven heads and ten horns. Note, the beast is made up of seventeen players. Seven heads, ten horns. This is not an individual. And if you wish to share what you think this beast is, I'm willing to discuss this issue at this time.
However, it is my prayer that this thread will motivate you to spend more time in under-standing God’s plans to end this life as we now know it and at the same time make you more aware of what He is about to do and why. As I said earlier I will share a link if you want to study deeper into apocalyptic prophecy. Just let me know.
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I believe the 10 horns are the 10 kings of Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 17:12. The 7 heads would be the 7 mountains on which the woman - Mystery Babylon - sits (Revelation 17:9) I believe these to be the 5 empires in Nebuchadnezzars image dream (Babylon, Mede/Persia, Greece, Rome, final empire) plus the 2 empires that preceded Nebuchadnezzar (Assyria and Egypt). The Ottoman Empire could be in there somewhere - there's another thread on that discussion if you want a link.
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Before I comment on your post, what are your thoughts on my previous post on the first four trumpets?
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Rachel, you seem to have an interested in end time prophecy as well. I”ll pass along to you what I have learned over the last thirty years.
First It's important to realize that all that God has created continues to operate under His natural laws He ordained at the time of creation. Example: our solar system, operates under the natural laws He designed into their orbit. These laws are constant and do not change, which makes them laws, as laws have no exceptions. Our solar system is so precise in their orbits that we can calculated time months and years in advance.
Consider one more example: Sir Isaac Newton researched the effects of gravity through different experiments. After observing that objects always fall at the same rate of speed, Sir Newton developed a mathematical formula expressing his discovery. Sir Isaac Newton did not make up the rule that governs gravity. Sir Isaac Newton merely discovered what God had made and he expressed the behavior of gravity in a manner that allowed others to calculate and understand the effects of gravity.
The importance of understanding God's natural laws is that they put everybody on the same page/level the playing field, by doing away with personal bias, one might hold on that subject. Can you imagine the confusion that would exist in this world if mankind did not agree on the laws that govern math?
Since God is the author of apocalyptic prophecy, we must realize they too operate by His natural laws. It is only when we understand the four natural laws He built into apocalyptic prophecy can we understand their intended meaning. Following are the four natural laws:
Rule One: Each apocalyptic prophecy has a beginning point and an ending point in time and the events within each prophecy occur in the order they are given.
Rule Two: A prophecy or prophetic element within a prophecy is not fulfilled until all of the specifications are met. This includes the order of the events given within the prophecy. (Fulfillment)
Rule Three: Apocalyptic language can be literal, symbolic, or analogous. To reach the intended meaning of a passage, the student must consider (a) the context, (b) the use of parallel language in the Bible, and (c) a relevant text that defines the symbol if an element is thought to be symbolic. (Language)
Rule Four: The presence or absence of the Jubilee Calendar determines how God measures time. If a prophetic time period occurs during the operation of the Jubilee Calendar (1437 B.C. - 1994), time is translated as a day for a year; otherwise, translation is not permitted.
Interpretations, that are not based on Gods laws are just private interpretations. There are as many private interpretations as there are individuals who interpret apocalyptic prophecy having no knowledge of God’s laws of interpretation.
Based on these valid laws, I will explain why I do not agree with your following statement: “I believe the 10 horns are the 10 kings of Daniel 7:24 “
Rule one is so crucial in determining the identity of the first beast of (Rev. 13) because the chronological order of the rise of this beast will give us a sense of timing. The beginning and ending of each of the twelve prophecies found in Revelation are not determined by chapter delineation. The person responsible for dividing the Bible into chapters and verses is Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury. The ancient, original manuscripts in Hebrew (and Greek for the New Testament) did not contain such edits. Langton put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227.” He was not inspired.
Langton’s decision to start and end chapters were affected by his personal understanding of prophecy. I’m sure if either of us were to take on that responsibility, our chapter divisions would be different than Langton’s, based on our
understanding of prophecy.
Based on rule one (Rev. 13) prophecy actually starts in (Rev. 12:7 and continues thr. 14:5) I will take you through this prophecy by each chronological event so you can see how it progress through time. You need to realize that once an event is fulfilled it also becomes stamped in time. Just like the day you were born, the day you graduated from high school, or the day you were married. At that time all events become a matter of fact, based on documented history.
This prophecy consists of five events that occur in chronological order.
- The devil is cast out of Heaven (verses 7-12) AD 30
- The devil persecutes the woman for 1,260 years (verses 13-16) AD 538-1798. This is the same time period mentioned in (Dan. 7:25).
- The devil wages war on the remnant of the woman (verses 12:17-13:10) Future
- The devil physically appears, sets up his theocracy and implements the mark of the beast (verses 13:11-18) Future
- The 144,000 celebrate in a victory ceremony in Heaven (verses 14:1-14:5) Future
We now see within this prophecy according to chronology that the first beast of (Rev. 13) comes on the scene sometime after 1798, yet, still future from today. Therefore, the ten kings of (Dan. 7:24) are not the same ten horns. There is more supporting evidence of this if you correctly understand that prophecy. Please consider the following which I have copied from Jesus Final Victory, pgs. 51 and 52, by L. Wilson.
Dan. 7:24
and the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
{24} The angel continued, “The ten horns on the monster beast represent ten ethnic kings who will rise up from within the Roman Empire. These kings will hate the ruling government at Rome. Over time, these kings will break the Roman Empire apart, piece by piece, and they will terminate Rome’s authority by A.D. 476. These tribal nations will be called: Goths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Burgundians, Franks, Lombards, Alameni, Suevi, Anglo-Saxons, and Heruli. After Rome’s power is broken into fragments, a different type of king, represented by the little horn, will rise. Unlike the tribal kings represented by the ten horns, this horn will be a religious king whose throne will endure for more than twelve centuries.
“Shortly after the sixth century A.D. begins, Emperor Justinian will endeavor to reunify the old Roman Empire by creating the Holy Roman Empire. To purify and unify the empire, Justinian will give special authority to the pope in A.D. 533. This authority will give the pope (and his appointed prelates) power to determine who is an orthodox Christian and who is a heretic, but three of the original ten kings will hate the church because of religious differences. The Heruli, Ostrogoths, and Vandals will show no respect for Justinian or church authorities in Rome. These tribal nations will be uprooted by A.D. 538 and the pope will begin to exercise civil authority in A.D. 538. This process explains how the eighth horn will dominate the other seven for 1,260 years. (See Addition- al Note at the end of this chapter.)
Dan. 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:
{25} “The eighth horn rising out of the fourth beast represents the Roman Catholic Church. Its leaders will falsely think that they can usurp God’s sovereign authority. The church will insult the Most High God by creating and imposing false doctrines on its subjects. The special authority Justinian granted to the church will establish a church/state precedent which the church will use to persecute those who refuse to obey its doctrines. Wielding absolute authority over Christians in Europe, the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church will think that it has the authority to change the day of worship which the Most High God has plainly declared to be the seventh day of the week.13 The Catholic Church will also decide to eliminate the second commandment from the Ten Commandments. By dividing the tenth commandment into two parts, the Catholic Catechism will give the illusion that it contains ten commandments.14 The Ancient of Days will permit the Roman Catholic Church to persecute His saints for a time, times, and half a time – 1,260 years (according to Rule Four15 ). Be assured that God will look after His saints while they are in the wilderness. He has prepared a place for them.
You are correct however, in stating the ten Kings of (Rev.17:12-14) are the same kings as the ten kings of the first beast of (Rev. 13).
Rev. 17:12-13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
{12} “The ten horns on the composite beast represent ten kings (the ten toes in Daniel 2) which Lucifer will appoint as agents of his government. Presuming sovereign authority, the devil will dissolve the governments of the world and direct these ten kings to oversee his one world church state. {13} These ten kings will have one purpose. They will do everything the devil wishes.
Rev. 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
{14} “When Jesus appears in clouds of glory, these ten kings will unite with the devil in a violent attack on the Lamb, but the Lamb will destroy them because the Creator is Lord of lords and King of kings. When Jesus returns, the wicked will see Jesus and they will also see His 144,000 prophets who were taken to Heaven at the seventh trumpet.”40
In my next post I will identify the seven heads.
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