Who Reigns On Earth In The Millenial Kingdom?

BABerean2 said:

Sure. Several visions of the Second Coming are found in the Book of Revelation.


The Second Coming of Christ is found at the end of Revelation 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse, with the same "kings", "captains", "mighty men", free, and "bond", as are found in Revelation 19.

It is found at the end of chapter 11, with the 7th trumpet, and the time of the judgment of the dead.

It is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew 13.

It is found when He comes as a thief, at Armageddon in chapter 16, and we also find the largest earthquake in the history of the world.

It is found when He returns on a horse in chapter 19.

It is found when the fire comes, and we have the time of the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20.


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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Was Satan bound at the same time the beast and false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire?

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BABerean2 said:

No.

He was bound from deceiving all the nations at Calvary, as confirmed in the passage below.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

So the Revelation is wrong? Satan has been bound but the beast and false prophet have not been cast into the lake of fire?

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BABerean2 said:

No. You are wrong for trying to make the book chronological.

I just proved it is not, but you ignored it.

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BABerean2 said:

It also says Satan is bound with a chain, even though we know demonic spirits cannot be bound with a literal chain in Mark 5.

Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

Therefore, we know the chapter is full of symbolic language, which you ignore.

We also know the time of the judgment of the dead is in Revelation 11:18, and also at the end of chapter 20, which you also ignore.

Ignorance is "bliss", when it comes to the Premill doctrine.

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BABerean2 said:

No.

He was bound from deceiving all the nations at Calvary, as confirmed in the passage below.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Why did you ignore all of the visions of the Second Coming that I showed you in the Book of Revelation?

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shilohsfoal said:

The little horn doesn't rule the world.
He just has a little country in the pleasant land.
He's very little.

Daniel 7:21 KJV: I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Daniel 7:22 KJV: Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

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shilohsfoal said:

Have you been in the Lord's land where the occupants deny Jesus is the Son of God.?

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BABerean2 said:

There is now a Bible college in central Israel which is sharing the Gospel with both Arabs, and Jews.

It is called "One for Israel".

Thousands of young Israelis are now coming to faith in Christ.

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shilohsfoal said:

Satan has deceived many nations since Calvary.
Have you been in the middle east lately?
Have you been in the Lord's land where the occupants deny Jesus is the Son of God.?

And you believe they havnt been deceived?
Do you agree with the occupants of the Lords land that Jesus is not the son of God?

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BABerean2 said:

No.

He was bound from deceiving all the nations at Calvary, as confirmed in the passage below.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Why did you ignore all of the visions of the Second Coming that I showed you in the Book of Revelation?

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sovereigngrace said:

Revelation 20:1-5 parallels Revelation 12:

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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Only in the minds of those who have to make the Revelation fit the pre-decided false notion of a symbolic thousand years which is 2,000 years. Satan was cast out of heaven, defeated by the cross. Nowhere does it say he was bound. The apostles teach is the opposite. They warn us - I can quote three times - about the fact that Satan is still very active in the world. You dismiss those warnings because you believe Satan is bound.

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sovereigngrace said:

Not so! Multiple Scripture forbids the Premil theory.

Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11, Revelation 12:7-9 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was cast out, bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” Satan has not been rendered immobile or inoperative but is limited in his power, kingship and influence by being defeated on the cross. He is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled.

Satan cannot stop the enlightenment of the Gentiles as before. The restraint simply relates to the Gospel advance to the Gentiles. They were once enveloped in darkness before the first resurrection, now a bright light has been shining for 2000 years saving countless millions throughout the nations. And there is absolutely nothing Satan can do prevent the invasion of his territory. He cannot deceive "the nations" (Gentiles) because we now have the truth as a result of the church expansion into the nations.

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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Lol. It's you who forbids it. Scripture proves Satan is walking around like a lion seeking whom he may devour etc - but then, who are the apostles to argue with you?

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• Firstly, the binding of Satan is spiritual. Satan is not human and physical. He is a spirit. A spirit cannot be held by physical restraints. What is more, he is not in a physical prison or is he restrained by metal chains.
• Secondly, the binding does not suggest our enemy must be motionless or does it describe inactivity. Prisoners have movement in a prison albeit in a limited capacity, under strict rules and within controlled confines.
• Thirdly, Revelation 20 does not suggest that the devil is unable to inflict harm on anyone while bound. Everyone knows that a prisoner can perpetrate all types of crimes within the prison precincts.

sovereigngrace said:

• Firstly, the binding of Satan is spiritual. He is not in a physical prison or is he restrained by metal chains. A spirit cannot be held by physical restraints.
• Secondly, the binding does not suggest our enemy must be motionless or does it describe inactivity. Prisoners have movement in a prison albeit in a limited capacity, under strict rules and within controlled confines.
• Thirdly, Revelation 20 does not suggest that the devil is unable to inflict harm on anyone while bound. Everyone knows that a prisoner can perpetrate all types of crimes within the prison precincts.

The binding of Satan simply describes the legal restraints placed upon him after the cross that limits his capacity to do whatever he wants to do and go wherever he wants to go.

Society has many ways of restraining individuals that do not insinuate immobility.

Curfew laws are sometimes used by society to prohibit or limit people’s right of movement. It involves an order specifying a time during which certain regulations apply. It prevents people from doing particularly things, going particular places at particular times. This can be applied to an individual who is a danger to society. It can come from public authorities or military forces to protect society from potential dangers or civil unrest. It can also be imposed at times of disasters to maintain a level of order and public safety.

Restraining orders, also called protection orders, are issued by the court and define what an abuser can do or not do. They delineate where a person can go or not go. These orders are designed to stop a person harming another person. These do not imitate inactivity, but, rather, restrained activity. While these are evasive, restrict and draconian, they do not prevent movement, they simply limit it. It also doesn’t guarantee that wrongs can occur during these times. It simply sets the boundaries that people must abide by.

Many criminals have electronic markers that monitor their movements. And enforce very carefully defined boundaries they can operate within. To the human eye this person may seem to have freedom, but it is very much limited freedom.

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BABerean2 said:

There is now a Bible college in central Israel which is sharing the Gospel with both Arabs, and Jews.

It is called "One for Israel".

Thousands of young Israelis are now coming to faith in Christ.

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shilohsfoal said:

The Lord's land is from the euphrates River to the Nile river. I guess you've never read the boundaries before.

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sovereigngrace said:

Before being cast out of heaven through Christ’s victorious assault on his kingdom the devil had access to both heaven and earth. He had the ability to come before God to accuse the brethren of their sins. When he was cast down he no longer had access to heaven but only to earth.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him! Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

The only power that Satan possesses is that which man gives him. If every single human being on this earth ignored him, he would be totally impotent. But, there is a twisted tendency within man that prefers the voice of Satan to the voice of God.

Revelation 12 places the defeat of Satan at the resurrection/ascension: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Here, in correlation with Revelation 20, we see the end of Satan unchallenged deceiving of the Gentiles. John declares: "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ." How?

Previous to Satan's eviction, God was Israel's God, not the Gentiles God. Satan ruled the nations. But through this casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over. It was indeed finished! The powerful spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles lifting the deception that kept them bound. Satan was now bound. The boot was on the other foot. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles now are without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted. The means by which God lifts deception is the preaching of the Word of God. This has now been successfully ongoing throughout the nations for 2000 years.

Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Christ predicted shortly before He destroyed the power of Satan at the cross, in John 12:30-33: “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Firstly, repeated Scripture uses binding in a figurative sense. The wicked are depicted as being in chains and in a prison before salvation. We all know that that is not literal. Also, repeated scripture shows the binding of Satan and his minions since the earthly ministry of Christ. So, when we get into the most symbolic book in the Bible, it is not difficult to get your head around the spiritual binding of Satan in order to enlighten the Gentiles since the resurrection – the first resurrection.

The strongman was bound 2000 years ago according to Jesus. He invaded the Devil’s house, chained him and took a spoil. We are part of that spoil. This is figurative language.

Secondly, Christ’s first resurrection was the start of the evangelization of the Gentiles. Most people see that in the New Testament. The Gentiles are depicted in the OT as being outside of hope, blind, in gross darkness, rebellious, bound in chains and in a prison. That all changed after the resurrection of Christ. The NT is a picture of Gentile evangelizing. That is all Rev 20 is saying. There is zero corroboration for Premil scenario of the binding of Satan at the second coming and his release 1000 years later to deceive the millennial inhabitants as the sand of the sea. Amils have many passages that teaches the binding, curtailing, defeating and subjugation of Satan 2000 years ago. They also have many Scriptures that show Christ is the first resurrection.

Even though the Scriptures make many sweeping statements about the Gentiles been deceived in the Old Testament it did not mean that there was none that believed. Just like it makes sweeping statements about the Gentiles being enlightened in the New Testament, does not suggest that the most of them actually believed. These are just broad generalized. Scripture is full of them.

Thirdly, before the resurrection the redeemed dead were forced to stay in Hades awaiting the defeat of sin, death, Hades and Satan. The limitations that once held God's people from the presence of God now restrain Satan so that he cannot stop the enlightenment of the nations. Jesus opened heaven up to the elect (both living and dead) When he defeated sin, death, Satan and Hades. He consequently emptied Abraham's bosom and took the dead in Christ in heaven.

Revelation 20:1-5 parallels Revelation 12: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

This is the authority He secured through His resurrection. He cast Satan out of heaven and then restrained him with spiritual chains so that the Gospel could enlighten the nations. Satan's defeat came after the resurrection.

Through Christ's victorious "first resurrection" the dead in Christ (the souls) are seen in heaven reigning with Christ. Basically, as Satan was banished and the elect were welcomed.

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