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camille70 said:

“They are seeing there is damage to the lungs in these asymptomatic children. ... We don’t know how that is going to manifest a year from now or two years from now,” Alonso said. “Is that child going to have chronic pulmonary problems or not?”

Nearly one-third of children tested for COVID in Florida are positive. Palm Beach County’s health director warns of risk of long-term damage

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I wouldn't be surprised if there could be more cases of asthma and emphysema in the future, as a result. Unfortunately, that will harm the nation far more than an elderly person dying from the Coronavirus.

FireDragon76 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there could be more cases of asthma and emphysema in the future, as a result. Unfortunately, that will harm the nation far more than an elderly person dying from the Coronavirus.

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The President and Vice President continue with their cavalier demands, with a straight face, that the nation's schools need to be reopened because America's children are largely immune to COVID-19 - without any mention of the necessary federal funds needed to provide the appropriate safeguards,

Apparently no sacrifice is considered too great as they are prepared to play "Russian Roulette" with the lives of America's children and educators to facilitate the re-election of this President!

Similar attempts on the cheap to reopen Israeli schools in May, without the required investments did not bring about the promised results and that government is still being subjected to the wrath of the public that is demanding answers!

jgarden said:

The President and Vice President continue with their cavalier demands, with a straight face, that the nation's schools need to be reopened because America's children are largely immune to COVID-19 - without any mention of the necessary federal funds needed to provide the appropriate safeguards,

Apparently no sacrifice is considered too great as they are prepared to play "Russian Roulette" with the lives of America's children and educators to facilitate the re-election of this President!

Similar attempts on the cheap to reopen Israeli schools in May, without the required investments did not bring about the promised results and that government is still being subjected to the wrath of the public that is demanding answers!

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Even if the children were not affected, they are still carriers and the teaching staff, parents and household members are at risk. If a large percentage of teachers succumb, who is going to teach the kids then? If the parents die, who is going to take care of them? Not to mention the hospital expenses etc.

FireDragon76 said:

I live in a largely working-class neighborhood that's mostly hispanic and black. Kids are playing outside all the time. Prior to about a week ago, people routinely held parties in our apartment duplex complex. Clearly, people are not getting the message to socially distance. And that's precisely why COVID-19 is spreading in states like Florida. Confusing messaging from our leadership that isn't based in science.

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The "bad messaging from leadership" angle doesn't play for a lot of things.

There used to be a time when a politician said something, and it meant something...but I'm not convinced that even if Trump were to do a 180 and to give a 100% science-based message, that it would make a bit of difference.

People are already "dug in" so to speak...and were before Covid started.

You have the "Trump can do no wrong" camp, and the "Trump can do no right" camp.

If Trump came out on TV last month, and issued a nationwide mask mandate, you'd have certain pockets of the country trying to do things like this:
People of color are exempt from Oregon county's mandatory mask order

The narrative would simply switch from "Trump is anti-science for not mandating masks" to "Trump is racist for trying to make people of color wear masks because it may subject them to discrimination"

Unless, there's multitude of people on the left who are saying "Gee shucks, I would've worn a mask, but Trump isn't telling people to...guess it's his fault"

The very fact that they're calling him out for being wrong shows that they're independent thinkers who don't form their position simply based on a politician saying it.

The public polling is indicative of that...when CNN touts polling that shows low confidence levels in Trump's handling of this thing (which isn't unfounded, he has mishandled a lot of it), not 10 mins after talking about how the problem is that Trump isn't telling people to do something, those are conflicting messages. If the majority of the public don't have confidence in him, then why is "it's because he's not telling the public to do something" listed as the culprit?

That'd be like me saying "I don't trust payday lenders, they're sketchy", and then I went to the racetrack and gambled all my money away, and when asked why, I said "well, it's the payday lenders' fault for not telling me it was a bad idea"

camille70 said:

Even if the children were not affected, they are still carriers and the teaching staff, parents and household members are at risk. If a large percentage of teachers succumb, who is going to teach the kids then? If the parents die, who is going to take care of them? Not to mention the hospital expenses etc.

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Trump just wants the free daycare, I mean "schools", reopened, so that parents are forced back into their service jobs. It's not too difficult to read Trump's motivations here, as they are fundamentally rooted in selfish instincts that lack empathy for the needs of others.

Some conservatives are trying to guilt or panic parents into supporting a dangerous strategy. The technology exists today to educate kids from home. Of course it's challenging and is something relatively new (and therefore inherently will ruffle feathers), but that's not a reason to succumb to doing something that is harmful for all of us.

Albion said:

Have you noticed that the number of deaths, which once were the number one concern, now are made very little of by the news reports?

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No I haven’t noticed that. Maybe because deaths are increasing in my area. My pastor is COVID-19 positive.

istodolez said:

Because it is common for people to CONTRACT the virus before dying from it.

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Well, we need to turn that around, don’t we.

essentialsaltes said:

With that 15,000+ day, Florida has leapt over Texas to take the #3 spot in total cases. Per capita, Florida has jumped into the top 10 at #9 (And Arizona is now at #3 behind NY/NJ).

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Florida now at #6 in per capita cases, and will surely be #5 tomorrow, surpassing Rhode Island.

Arizona and Louisiana (at #3 and #4) are about to exceed 20,000 cases per million, and since they aren't showing much sign of slowing, they will soon pass NJ (currently #2) and NY (#1).

Florida just reported its first day with 200+ deaths

essentialsaltes said:

Arizona and Louisiana (at #3 and #4) are about to exceed 20,000 cases per million, and since they aren't showing much sign of slowing, they will soon pass NJ (currently #2) and NY (#1).

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Louisiana and Arizona are now #1 and #2 in cases per capita. Florida is currently on par with NJ, and will likely pass New York in the next 3 days to become #3.

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

Doctors had been predicting that a surge in deaths would follow Florida’s jump in daily reported cases. The growing caseload is partly driven by increased testing, but a larger percentage of tests are coming back positive, jumping from 6 percent a month ago to more than 18 percent.

Almost all people infected with coronavirus survive, but those who do succumb usually die two or more weeks after they are first diagnosed.

COVID Testing Scandal: 333 Labs Report 100% of People Testing Positive for Coronavirus

I'd like to think it's just a bunch of mistakes. But I think it's obvious there's something else at work here.

Veritas said:

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

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Story published July 13. Also note that these are errors in the report on positivity rates, not about the number of positive cases.

Doctors had been predicting that a surge in deaths would follow Florida’s jump in daily reported cases.

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FTA: "Then, on Tuesday, state health officials reported the largest single-day increase in deaths yet, as 132 more were announced."

Now that it's 2 weeks later, the record is over 200. We can see the doctors were right.

FireDragon76 said:

I live in a largely working-class neighborhood that's mostly hispanic and black. Kids are playing outside all the time. Prior to about a week ago, people routinely held parties in our apartment duplex complex. Clearly, people are not getting the message to socially distance. And that's precisely why COVID-19 is spreading in states like Florida. Confusing messaging from our leadership that isn't based in science.

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Not near me. Oh a few exceptions. But I see a lot, at least during the day. I ride my bike for exercise, anywhere from 7 to 37 miles depending mainly on how long it stays less than oven hot. I also get an automatic check on the kids as my street is a major route from apartmentland to a local park. Almost no kids since this started.

Perhaps the most notable thing I saw was a party in someone's front yard. About 20 people and all scattered kin chairs 6 feet or more apart.

Not on any of my bike routes is a park that is normally (meaning pre covid-19) packed with mainly Latinos. I did pass it once or twice when out shopping and it was nearly empty. It seems they got the message.

The one major exception is Limekiln park. I never went in but the parking (street only) was packed, as in packed enough that every time I pass it I expect someone having trouble parking and blocking the bike lane. AN interesting point is that this park is in Porter Ranch which is somewhat separated. I wonder if that community has developed different social norms than nearby areas.

Veritas said:

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

Doctors had been predicting that a surge in deaths would follow Florida’s jump in daily reported cases. The growing caseload is partly driven by increased testing, but a larger percentage of tests are coming back positive, jumping from 6 percent a month ago to more than 18 percent.

Almost all people infected with coronavirus survive, but those who do succumb usually die two or more weeks after they are first diagnosed.

COVID Testing Scandal: 333 Labs Report 100% of People Testing Positive for Coronavirus

I'd like to think it's just a bunch of mistakes. But I think it's obvious there's something else at work here.

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A lot of those are obviously hospital labs. They are likely testing people coming in sick already and if they have limited supplies they will test those most likely first. I don't know how it is in Florida but in Los Angeles the easiest test facilities to find are ones which do 100s to 1000s of tests daily. Smaller labs or doctor refered tests may be effectively biased in who gets tested. Doctors screening out doubtful cases and patients who are more concerned (especially those tightly so) workin gharder to find a lab that can test them sooner rather than later.

Veritas said:

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

Doctors had been predicting that a surge in deaths would follow Florida’s jump in daily reported cases. The growing caseload is partly driven by increased testing, but a larger percentage of tests are coming back positive, jumping from 6 percent a month ago to more than 18 percent.

Almost all people infected with coronavirus survive, but those who do succumb usually die two or more weeks after they are first diagnosed.

COVID Testing Scandal: 333 Labs Report 100% of People Testing Positive for Coronavirus

I'd like to think it's just a bunch of mistakes. But I think it's obvious there's something else at work here.

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yeah it's a known issue, they were following the normal protocol when you test someone for HIV you don't report the negatives as thats really needed information wise, but during a pandemic when you need to know what % of the population has covid it's more needed.

keith99 said:

A lot of those are obviously hospital labs. They are likely testing people coming in sick already and if they have limited supplies they will test those most likely first. I don't know how it is in Florida but in Los Angeles the easiest test facilities to find are ones which do 100s to 1000s of tests daily. Smaller labs or doctor refered tests may be effectively biased in who gets tested. Doctors screening out doubtful cases and patients who are more concerned (especially those tightly so) workin gharder to find a lab that can test them sooner rather than later.

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nahhh it was a mistake in procedure, they were doing the normal procedure which is only report positives for stuff like flu, hiv, or what ever. Pandemic procedures are different.

FreeinChrist said:

What did the founding fathers think of epidemics:

Opinion | Here's what the Founders actually thought about masks and quarantines

Later, while president, Washington had to cope when the young nation’s then-capital, Philadelphia, was overtaken with yellow fever in 1793. Believing that the illness was contagious (it is actually spread by mosquitoes), residents of America’s then-largest city adopted many of the measures that have become our own new normal: covering their faces in public, avoiding crowds, closing schools and businesses, and staying home

During this time, Washington instructed Secretary of War Henry Knox to, essentially, work remotely.“I think it would not be prudent either for you or the clerks in your office, or the office itself, to be too much exposed to the malignant fever,” Washington wrote. The president had decided to work from home himself, at Mount Vernon, telling a friend that he “could not think of hazarding” his wife and children by staying in Philadelphia.

Leaders on the scene, meanwhile, had no qualms about imposing regulations on the public for their own safety. Philadelphia Mayor Matthew Clarkson tasked prominent physician — and a signer of the Declaration of Independence — Benjamin Rush with compiling a list of public safety measures. Many, including the quarantining of all visitors and goods for two to three weeks, were adopted as new ordinances. The mayor also ordered a sanitation campaign throughout the city and requisitioned an abandoned estate for a makeshift hospital.


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Imagine his look when a time traveller would tell him about how in 200 odd years, it would be seen as patriotic to infect your countrymen.

250+ deaths today. Three all-time daily records in a row.

essentialsaltes said:

250+ deaths today. Three all-time daily records in a row.

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yeah, plus arizona had it's worse day, I wonder if the US will break 2k today.

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250+ deaths today. Three all-time daily records in a row.

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Make that 4 in a row, though not much more than yesterday. By Sunday, Florida will surpass NY in per capita cases, though it will stay well behind LA and AZ at #1 and #2.

As Gov. Ron DeSantis pushed this summer for schools to reopen, state leaders told school boards they would need Health Department approval if they wanted to keep classrooms closed.

Then they instructed health directors not to give it.

Following a directive from DeSantis’ administration, county health directors across Florida refused to give school boards advice about one of the most wrenching public health decisions in modern history: whether to reopen schools in a worsening pandemic, a Gannett USA TODAY NETWORK review found.

In county after county the health directors’ refrain to school leaders was the same: Their role was to provide information, not recommendations.