30+ Bible verses that support universal salvation

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This is the cop-out that every heterodox religious group ever uses to make scripture fit their doctrine. What I call SPAM-Fig i.e. symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor, figurative anything but literal.
There is an old adage for Bible interpretation "If the plain sense makes good sense, it is nonsense to seek any other sense."

What about stiff-necked, hard-hearted people, blind sons of hell devouring widow's houses, whited sepulchres and broods of vipers?

What about the son of man, bread from heaven, blood of the Lamb?

I hope that kindles a fire within you der Alte.

Please show me any verse, anywhere which says "the fire of God's passion and zeal that results in repentance because it reveals His righteousness."

Are you kidding der Alte? Do you really just read every text atomistically, completely unrelated to what came before or goeth after?

LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them. (Isa 26:11, KJV)

O LORD, Your hand is lifted up yet they do not see it. They see Your zeal for the people and are put to shame; Indeed, fire will devour Your enemies. (NASB)

A bit of difference as to the devouree in these translations. Still, this is a very apposite verse for this discussion methinks.

Let me explain why all this is nonsense. Rev. was written to former pagan Christians in what is modern day Turkey, Where apropos of nothing they have just converted a 1000+ year church into a mosque.
When they heard/read Rev. would the former pagans in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadephia and Laodicea understand "the fire of God's passion and zeal that results in repentance because it reveals His righteousness." or would they understand it exactly as written
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I think we both know the answer to that.

I don't think either of us know the answer. But I'd hope they'd read it in the spirit in which it was written, and with the idiom of the time. Revelation is apocalyptic literature, the sci-fi of its day. But it subverts the genre, by turning the destructive elements into a restorative purpose. You have to 'get it', rather than dryly interpreting it with a scholar's eye. Get carried up by it, man!

Here is another thought. John was a Jew from Israel, Jewish idioms would be much different than Ephesian etc. idioms.

That's right. Here we have Greek language but full of Hebraic idiom, replete with OT allusions. No wonder ppl so often get the tiger by the tail. If in doubt, just remember the bedrock principles: it's God - Jesus - good news!
 
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What about stiff-necked, hard-hearted people, blind sons of hell devouring widow's houses, whited sepulchres and broods of vipers?
What about the son of man, bread from heaven, blood of the Lamb?
I hope that kindles a fire within you der Alte.
Meaningless generalities which do not address anything in my post.
Are you kidding der Alte? Do you really just read every text atomistically, completely unrelated to what came before or goeth after?
LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them. (Isa 26:11, KJV)
O LORD, Your hand is lifted up yet they do not see it. They see Your zeal for the people and are put to shame; Indeed, fire will devour Your enemies. (NASB)
A bit of difference as to the devouree in these translations. Still, this is a very apposite verse for this discussion methinks.
Let us read this out-of-context proof text in its proper context.

Isaiah 26:10-11
10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
11 LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.[see. vs. 10]
Is vs. 11 referring to people in the far distant future or does it refer to God's punishment of the wicked in vs.10? We cannot yank any verse we want to out of its historical context and apply it willy nilly to any future event that suits us.
I don't think either of us know the answer. But I'd hope they'd read it in the spirit in which it was written, and with the idiom of the time. Revelation is apocalyptic literature, the sci-fi of its day. But it subverts the genre, by turning the destructive elements into a restorative purpose. You have to 'get it', rather than dryly interpreting it with a scholar's eye. Get carried up by it, man!
You may not know the answer but I do. I have been dealing in other languages since I was 12 years old when I learned to speak German. My wife is oriental and I speak a little of her language virtually every day. I can say authoritatively American idioms do not translate into either language.
I can also say without any fear of contradiction that the 1st century citizens of Ephesus etc. would not have understood Jewish figures of speech. So various religious groups can play all the word games they want to and assume all the figurative meanings they can conjure up but it is just so much smoke and mirrors.

That's right. Here we have Greek language but full of Hebraic idiom, replete with OT allusions. No wonder ppl so often get the tiger by the tail. If in doubt, just remember the bedrock principles: it's God - Jesus - good news!
But Christians today are not handicapped as were the citizens of Ephesus and other cities in Asia [Turkey] and Corinth and other cities in Ellas [Greece] etc. We have electronic devices with multiple Bible versions, concordances etc.
 
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So the answer to my question is that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully and doesn't seek Jesus' forgiveness will burn in hell forever?

And I thought his yoke was easy and his burden light. Boy oh boy was I wrong.
According to UR, there is no yoke... you don't have to believe to be saved... you will be saved anyway. I don't use the word heresy much... the only thing that qualifies as heresy are matters which involve the gospel and salvation. UR qualifies as it offers salvation without faith in Christ which is absolutely heretical.

So it's better to NOT tell unbelievers, lest they reject the 'gospel' and then knowingly die unrepentant, in which case they have no defence (not like they had one before, in your jurisprudence, but anyway). I'm trying to help mend your tragic excuse for a divine justice system.
Only UR would tell people they don't have to believe to be saved.

Yeah, so er, Isaiah 26:11, 'devoured by fire'. Literal or figurative?
Figurative. Yet, it has a true meaning.

I understand the 'eternal' to be an ineffable state of being that transcends time. So the cross, for instance, is the eternal victory over the devil. It has symbolic, spiritual power.

Again, the great covenants of the Bible are the load-bearing structure across which the tabernacle of scripture is built. The foundations of the house need to be rock-solid. I'm not going to be distracted by horrific interpretations of certain scriptures that detract from God's glory, especially when those scriptures can be read harmoniously with the main game. Christ is the cornerstone, He is salvation. God's covenants through Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Cyrus and Jesus, and the visions of Revelation, are all pointing towards universal salvation. Just interpret in the spirit of hope, faith, love, victory and righteousness.

But feel free to stick with your travesty of a justice system and angry volcano deity, your eternal contempt, punishment, destruction, die burn and go to hell you evil b#$%ard-type gospel message.

Whatever works for you.
What it comes down to is this: does a person have to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ before they die to have eternal life? If yes, great, we are brothers. If the answer is no, then I would ask you what is the opposite of eternal life?
 
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According to UR, there is no yoke... you don't have to believe to be saved... you will be saved anyway. I don't use the word heresy much... the only thing that qualifies as heresy are matters which involve the gospel and salvation. UR qualifies as it offers salvation without faith in Christ which is absolutely heretical.
Only UR would tell people they don't have to believe to be saved.
Figurative. Yet, it has a true meaning.
What it comes down to is this: does a person have to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ before they die to have eternal life? If yes, great, we are brothers. If the answer is no, then I would ask you what is the opposite of eternal life?
I agree and I think it is clearly spelled out in scripture.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Psalms 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.​
 
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According to UR, there is no yoke... you don't have to believe to be saved... you will be saved anyway.

Well that would be false. Idk why you ppl keep repeating this like a mantra. UR says ALL WILL COME TO BELIEVE. Which, strangely, is just what the Bible says over and over. Please, if there's one thing you don't mess up about UR doctrine, let this be it.

Figurative. Yet, it has a true meaning.

Bonanza! We might be actually getting somewhere. I can tell you're a messenger of fire there Gup, God's kindled a fire within you, and you're being salted with fire, and salt is good! Now be free with open eyes, mind and heart to the great spiritual truth of scripture.

What it comes down to is this: does a person have to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ before they die to have eternal life? If yes, great, we are brothers. If the answer is no, then I would ask you what is the opposite of eternal life?

We may disagree on the 'before they die' bit. I suggest it depends on your meaning of 'die'. You see, we're instructed to die to self, put the old man to death, to crucify ourselves, to fall to the ground like wheat and die so as to produce fruit, and so on.

You seem to be hung up on the 'last physical breath'. Well Jesus shows us that resurrection is God's plan for mankind. And after all are made alive in Christ, the judgment! And then, the second death for the sinners. So I see the second death as the death of the old man of fleshly desires, so as to be reborn in the spirit of Christ. And that only happens by the grace of God which reveals righteousness and transforms the heart, producing repentance. Salvation is a work of God.

So the opposite of eternal life is ultimately not a thing. Because Christian philosophy, if you like, under UR is unipolar, not a heresy of dualism. It's Big God, small devil, and the latter ultimately gets subsumed into the heart of God along with the rest of creation.

As you may have seen in our fallen world, the further a person strays from the righteous path, the more they drift into a state of hopelessness, lost-ness, vice etc...the outer darkness, or a Hades of doubt, depression and dismay. And so on. These are the killers, these evil spirits, if you like. That's what Jesus comes to save ppl from, to drag humanity back to the light, one sheep at a time, fish by the net-load.

How can you believe God to be so harsh that He'd fail to save some poor sod then sentence him to a horrible doom for just crapping out to sin, the devil and the world. They're exactly the ones most in need of saving, hookers and taxmen, and even you, der Alte and I!
 
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Well that would be false. Idk why you ppl keep repeating this like a mantra. UR says ALL WILL COME TO BELIEVE. Which, strangely, is just what the Bible says over and over. Please, if there's one thing you don't mess up about UR doctrine, let this be it....
We keep asking but don't get any answer please provide us one verse, 2 or more would be better, the Father or Jesus themselves speaking, which clearly, unequivocally states that all mankind will be saved, the righteous and unrighteous alike, even after death.
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How can you believe God to be so harsh that He'd fail to save some poor sod then sentence him to a horrible doom for just crapping out to sin, the devil and the world. They're exactly the ones most in need of saving, hookers and taxmen, and even you, der Alte and I!
Genesis 7:21-22 Every living thing 1000s/1,000,000s destroyed young, old men,women, children, infants.
Genesis 19:24-25 Every living thing 1000s destroyed in Sodom, Gomorrah and cities of the plains young, old men,women, children, infants.
Numbers 21:2, Numbers 24:17, Numbers 32:15, Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 7:10, Deuteronomy 7:23, Deuteronomy 9:3, Deuteronomy 20:17 et alia, God commanded that Israel destroy every living thing in Canaanite, Hittite etc. cities.
 
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We may disagree on the 'before they die' bit. I suggest it depends on your meaning of 'die'. You see, we're instructed to die to self, put the old man to death, to crucify ourselves, to fall to the ground like wheat and die so as to produce fruit, and so on.

You seem to be hung up on the 'last physical breath'. Well Jesus shows us that resurrection is God's plan for mankind. And after all are made alive in Christ, the judgment! And then, the second death for the sinners. So I see the second death as the death of the old man of fleshly desires, so as to be reborn in the spirit of Christ. And that only happens by the grace of God which reveals righteousness and transforms the heart, producing repentance. Salvation is a work of God.

So the opposite of eternal life is ultimately not a thing. Because Christian philosophy, if you like, under UR is unipolar, not a heresy of dualism. It's Big God, small devil, and the latter ultimately gets subsumed into the heart of God along with the rest of creation.

As you may have seen in our fallen world, the further a person strays from the righteous path, the more they drift into a state of hopelessness, lost-ness, vice etc...the outer darkness, or a Hades of doubt, depression and dismay. And so on. These are the killers, these evil spirits, if you like. That's what Jesus comes to save ppl from, to drag humanity back to the light, one sheep at a time, fish by the net-load.

How can you believe God to be so harsh that He'd fail to save some poor sod then sentence him to a horrible doom for just crapping out to sin, the devil and the world. They're exactly the ones most in need of saving, hookers and taxmen, and even you, der Alte and I!
Jesus warned those who didn't believe in Him:

[Jhn 8:24 NASB] 24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am [He,] you will die in your sins."

[Jhn 8:34-36 NASB] 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

[Jhn 8:51 NASB] 51 "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death."​

Here we see Jesus is talking about the second death... for we know many have died from Adam's death who believe in Christ. He says those who do not believe will die in their sins... and that those who believe will never die. But those who die in their sins are slaves forever and can never remain in the house of the Son. But who the son sets free (before they die in their sins is the context) is free and does remain forever. This also discredits what Saint Steven said -- that he doesn't believe in eternal life, nor eternal torment because the Bible consistently ties the two together.
 
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So the opposite of eternal life is ultimately not a thing. Because Christian philosophy, if you like, under UR is unipolar, not a heresy of dualism. It's Big God, small devil, and the latter ultimately gets subsumed into the heart of God along with the rest of creation....
Do you have any scripture which says "The devil ultimately gets subsumed into the heart of God along with the rest of creation?"
Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 
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Jesus warned those who didn't believe in Him:

[Jhn 8:24 NASB] 24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am [He,] you will die in your sins."

[Jhn 8:34-36 NASB] 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

[Jhn 8:51 NASB] 51 "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death."
Here we see Jesus is talking about the second death... for we know many have died from Adam's death who believe in Christ. He says those who do not believe will die in their sins... and that those who believe will never die.

Hold on. Are you saying the moment we're born we already have one death chalked up to us, being the death of Adam? And when we physically die, that's the second death? That's not right man.

It's appointed once for man to die, and then the judgment. The great white throne judgement entails the second death, for the dead, those in Hades and the unrepentant sinners. Damnationists say this is where the eternal torture begins, annihilationists say no they just get killed for good. Universalists say they are given life, their love of sin is purged and therefore death is killed. The second death is the death of death in the divine fire of life and love. Death is swallowed up in victory.

So the damnationists see a prison, the annihilationists a gallows and the universalists a hospital. I'll stick with the hospital, because God is the Great Physician, and Jesus heals all wounds.

But who the son sets free (before they die in their sins is the context) is free and does remain forever. This also discredits what Saint Steven said -- that he doesn't believe in eternal life, nor eternal torment because the Bible consistently ties the two together.

I don't think Saint Steven denies eternal life, and I don't think the Bible 'consistently' ties them together. As the foregoing discussion has revealed, FIGURATIVE language is plain to see when matters of the next world are being taught. Of course, if you've had all your spiritual bones broken in a train-wreck of sin, it's gonna be really painful and hard in the hospital to recover. Hence why these ppl will be 'hurt' by the second death.

'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.' (Rev 2:11)

Now Jesus is speaking to the churches here, the implication being that some believers will face the second death. Presumably the try-hards who miss the point and get a 'depart from me I never knew you' in Mt 7:23, or who say 'Raca' to a brother and face the hellfire in Mt 5:22. So yes, fear God, know that the cure will be painful for many (maybe even you). But God loves you more than a couple of 2-bit sparrows, so you've gotta trust in the good outcome. We can't love God if He's a monster.
 
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Do you have any scripture which says "The devil ultimately gets subsumed into the heart of God along with the rest of creation?"

Matter of fact, yes:

When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:28)

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Rev 20:10)

See how that works?

Now do you have any scripture which says God revokes His covenant promise to Cyrus that every knee shall bow and tongue confess?

Der Alte, you're the scholar here. Are you aware of an adjective for 'Cyrus'? I hesitate to use 'Cyrenian covenant' because it sounds like Simon of Cyrene. Cyrussian, Cyronian, Kuronian don't seem right. Can't seem to locate any uses of it, can you help out?
 
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Hold on. Are you saying the moment we're born we already have one death chalked up to us, being the death of Adam? And when we physically die, that's the second death? That's not right man.
No, I'm not saying that. Adam' judgement (death) was the first judgment... a universal judgement. The great white throne judgement is the second judgement (death)... an individual judgement.

It's appointed once for man to die, and then the judgment. The great white throne judgement entails the second death, for the dead, those in Hades and the unrepentant sinners. Damnationists say this is where the eternal torture begins, annihilationists say no they just get killed for good. Universalists say they are given life, their love of sin is purged and therefore death is killed. The second death is the death of death in the divine fire of life and love. Death is swallowed up in victory.
The second death is the death of Adam's universal judgement and the beginning of the individual judgment.

So the damnationists see a prison, the annihilationists a gallows and the universalists a hospital. I'll stick with the hospital, because God is the Great Physician, and Jesus heals all wounds.

I don't think Saint Steven denies eternal life, and I don't think the Bible 'consistently' ties them together. As the foregoing discussion has revealed, FIGURATIVE language is plain to see when matters of the next world are being taught. Of course, if you've had all your spiritual bones broken in a train-wreck of sin, it's gonna be really painful and hard in the hospital to recover. Hence why these ppl will be 'hurt' by the second death.
Yes, it is figurative language, which is why eternal punishment and eternal contempt are intrinsically tied and contrasted to eternal life. This way the reader of the prose has context to understand the intended meaning of the figurative language.
'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.' (Rev 2:11)

Now Jesus is speaking to the churches here, the implication being that some believers will face the second death. Presumably the try-hards who miss the point and get a 'depart from me I never knew you' in Mt 7:23, or who say 'Raca' to a brother and face the hellfire in Mt 5:22. So yes, fear God, know that the cure will be painful for many (maybe even you). But God loves you more than a couple of 2-bit sparrows, so you've gotta trust in the good outcome. We can't love God if He's a monster.
Jesus Himself judges those who are His (those with faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ) ... the Great White Throne judgments are, as you have accurately stated, for unrepentant sinners. Those with faith in Christ will never experience the second death.
 
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Matter of fact, yes:
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. (1 Cor 15:28)
Except for,.
Romans 1:24
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Psalms 81:11-12
11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
2 Chronicles 30:7
7 And be not ye like your fathers, and like your brethren, which trespassed against the LORD God of their fathers, who therefore gave them up to desolation, as ye see.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
1 Corinthians 3:17
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Rev 20:10)
See how that works?
I have addressed this multiple times which has been ignored.
Wrong! Scripture does NOT say that all will bow "in reverent love for their Maker." etc.
Exomolgeo occurs eleven times in the NT, in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “
whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back).etc”
Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
It never means whole-heartedly etc.
…..Scripture does say that every knee will bow but only believers will do so willingly in love and faith, the others will be conquered enemies.
How will the enemies of Jesus feel?

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, * Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
…..*”That day" -the day of judgement.
There ain’t no second chance for salvation after judgment and “depart from me.” When Jesus says "never" He means <=Never=>!
The word of God says every knee will bow. It must be important because it is repeated three times.

[1.]Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth
in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
[2.]Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[3.]Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
But the "fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, liars" etc. [Revelation 21:8] who denied God and Christ all their lives will be forced to their knees and forced to proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
This is another important point it is recorded seven times in scripture. This will actually happen.

[1.]Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[2.]Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[3.]Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[4.]Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
[5.]Acts of the apostles 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
[6.]Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[7.]Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;.
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
What does “make your enemies your footstool” mean? Joshua, the OT type of Jesus, shows us in Josh. 10.
Joshua 10:17 And it was told Joshua, saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah….
Joshua 10:22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.
Joshua 10:23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon.
Joshua 10:24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 10:26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
After Joshua made his enemies his footstool they did not become faithful members of his Army.
Now do you have any scripture which says God revokes His covenant promise to Cyrus that every knee shall bow and tongue confess?
Der Alte, you're the scholar here. Are you aware of an adjective for 'Cyrus'? I hesitate to use 'Cyrenian covenant' because it sounds like Simon of Cyrene. Cyrussian, Cyronian, Kuronian don't seem right. Can't seem to locate any uses of it, can you help out?
The Hebrew for that name is כורשׁ/Koresh which Vernon Wayne Howell coopted when he changed his name to "David Koresh" It is transliterated in Greek as Κύρος [kuros] which is then transliterated in English as Cyrus. I am not aware of any covenant of Cyrus.
 
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The Hebrew for that name is כורשׁ/Koresh which Vernon Wayne Howell coopted when he changed his name to "David Koresh" It is transliterated in Greek as Κύρος [kuros] which is then transliterated in English as Cyrus. I am not aware of any covenant of Cyrus.

I'm asking whether you're aware of any possessive adjective (or whatever grammatical form it is) for 'Cyrus'. If one wanted to say for instance the victory over Babylon given to Cyrus by God, would it be called the 'Koreshic victory'? Have you seen this form used? Not a trick question.
 
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I'm asking whether you're aware of any possessive adjective (or whatever grammatical form it is) for 'Cyrus'. If one wanted to say for instance the victory over Babylon given to Cyrus by God, would it be called the 'Koreshic victory'? Have you seen this form used? Not a trick question.
I don't think Koresh is ever used as an adjective but if it were it probably would be כורשׁי /Koreshi which would be transliterated Koreshite as כּנעני/Kenani is transliterated as Canaanite.
 
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Exomolgeo occurs eleven times in the NT, in addition to Phil 2:11. In the other 10 it never means “whole-heartedly… without reservation (no holding back).etc”
Matthew 3:6 “confessing their sins,” Matthew 11:25 “thank,” Mark 1:5 “confessing their sins,” Luke 10:21 “thank,” Luke 22:6 “promised,” Acts of the apostles 19:18 “confessed their deeds,” Romans 14:11 “confess,” Romans 15:9 “confess Christ,” James 5:16 “confess your faults,” Revelation 3:5 “confess his name”
It never means whole-heartedly etc.

You're really drawing a long bow with this one der Alte.

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1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Strong's Greek: 1843. ἐξομολογέω (exomologeó) -- to agree, confess

To see it used in context in each of those scriptures you've referenced is only to cement the fact that it MUST convey open wholehearted free consensual confession. It's even used as praise.

And look at shaba, the Hebrew from Isaiah 45:23:

Strong's Hebrew: 7650. שָׁבַע (shaba) -- to swear

This is a classic case where your doctrine won't let you accept the PLAIN SENSE of scripture.
 
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You're really drawing a long bow with this one der Alte.
HELPS Word-studies
1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Strong's Greek: 1843. ἐξομολογέω (exomologeó) -- to agree, confess
To see it used in context in each of those scriptures you've referenced is only to cement the fact that it MUST convey open wholehearted free consensual confession. It's even used as praise.
And look at shaba, the Hebrew from Isaiah 45:23:
Strong's Hebrew: 7650. שָׁבַע (shaba) -- to swear
This is a classic case where your doctrine won't let you accept the PLAIN SENSE of scripture.
I'm not the one with a crippling doctrine problem. Unlike you I have actually studied both Hebrew and Greek at the graduate level and I use lexicons NOT concordances. As I have stated multiple times Strong's is a concordance not a lexicon. Strong did not do word studies he only listed how words are translated in the KJV. BDAG represents about 160-200 combined years of scholarship. Blue highlights indicate the sources the scholars studied in determining the correct translation which is totally lacking in Strong's.
ἐξομολογέω (s. next entry and ὁμολογέω) 1 aor. ἐξωμολόγησα; fut. mid. ἐξομολογήσομαι; aor. mid. ἐξωμολογησάμην LXX (quotable since III B.C.—Mitt-Wilck. II/2, 20, 18; 37, 17—PHib 30, 18 [300–271 B.C.]; also LXX, pseudepigr., Philo, Joseph.).
① to indicate acceptance of an offer or proposal, promise, consent, act., abs. Lk 22:6 (the act. is found as rarely [perh. Alex. Aphr., An. Mant. II 1 p. 168, 15] as the pass. [perh. SIG 685, 95]).
② to make an admission of wrong-doing/sin, confess, admit, mid. (Plut., Eum. 594 [17, 7], Anton. 943 [59, 3] τ. ἀλήθειαν, Stoic. Repugn. 17 p. 1042a; Sus 14; Jos., Bell. 1, 625, Ant. 8, 256) τὶ someth. (POslo 17, 14 [136 A.D.] τὸ ἀληθές; Cyranides p. 100, 18 πάντα ὅσα ἔπραξεν; Orig., C. Cels. 2, 11, 30 τὸ ἡμαρτημένον) τὰς ἁμαρτίας (Jos., Ant. 8, 129; s. the ins in Steinleitner, nos. 13, 5; 23, 2; 24, 11; 25, 10) Mt 3:6; Mk 1:5 (cp. 1QS 1:24–26); Js 5:16 (s. PAlthaus, Zahn Festgabe 1928, 1ff); Hv 1, 1, 3; Hs 9, 23, 4. τὰς ἁ. τῷ κυρίῳ confess sins to the Lord Hv 3, 1, 5, cp. 6. τὰ παραπτώματα ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ confess transgressions in the congregation D 4:14. περὶ τῶν παραπτωμάτων make a confession of transgressions 1 Cl 51:3. ἐπὶ τ. ἁμαρτίαις for sins B 19:12. Abs. make a confession of sins Ac 19:18; 2 Cl 8:3. W. dat. of the one to whom sins are confessed 1 Cl 52:1, 2 (w. similarity in form to Ps 7:18; 117:19 and sim. Ps passages, but not=praise because of 1 Cl 51:3 [s. 4 below]).—JSchnitzer, D. Beichte im Lichte d. Religionsgesch.: Ztschr. f. Völkerpsychol. 6, 1930, 94–105; RPettazzoni, La confessione dei Peccati II ’35.
③ to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67.
④ fr. the mngs. ‘confess’ and ‘profess’ there arose, as Rtzst., Erlösungsmyst. 252 shows, the more general sense to praise, in acknowledgment of divine beneficence and majesty (so mostly LXX; TestJob 40:2 πρὸς τὸν πατέρα ) w. dat. of the one praised (oft. LXX; TestSol 1:5; Philo, Leg. All. 1, 80) σοί (2 Km 22:50; 1 Ch 29:13; Ps 85:12; 117:28 al.; Did., Gen. 60, 20) Mt 11:25=Lk 10:21 (s. Norden, Agn. Th. 277–308; JWeiss, GHeinrici Festschr. 1914, 120ff; TArvedson, D. Mysterium Chr. [Mt 11:25–30] ’37; NWilliams, ET 51, ’40, 182–86; 215–20; AHunter, NTS 8, ’62, 241–49); Ro 15:9 (Ps 17:50); 1 Cl 26:2; 61:3; B 6:16 (cp. Ps 34:18). τῷ θεῷ (Tob 14:7; Philo, Leg. All. 2, 95) Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23); τῷ κυρίῳ (fr. Gen 29:35 on, oft. in LXX) 1 Cl 48:2 (Ps 117:19); Hm 10, 3, 2.—DELG s.v. ὁμός. M-M. EDNT. TW. Sv.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 351). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
 
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I'm not the one with a crippling doctrine problem. Unlike you I have actually studied both Hebrew and Greek at the graduate level and I use lexicons NOT concordances. As I have stated multiple times Strong's is a concordance not a lexicon. Strong did not do word studies he only listed how words are translated in the KJV. BDAG represents about 160-200 combined years of scholarship. Blue highlights indicate the sources the scholars studied in determining the correct translation which is totally lacking in Strong's.
ἐξομολογέω (s. next entry and ὁμολογέω) 1 aor. ἐξωμολόγησα; fut. mid. ἐξομολογήσομαι; aor. mid. ἐξωμολογησάμην LXX (quotable since III B.C.—Mitt-Wilck. II/2, 20, 18; 37, 17—PHib 30, 18 [300–271 B.C.]; also LXX, pseudepigr., Philo, Joseph.).
① to indicate acceptance of an offer or proposal, promise, consent, act., abs. Lk 22:6 (the act. is found as rarely [perh. Alex. Aphr., An. Mant. II 1 p. 168, 15] as the pass. [perh. SIG 685, 95]).
② to make an admission of wrong-doing/sin, confess, admit, mid. (Plut., Eum. 594 [17, 7], Anton. 943 [59, 3] τ. ἀλήθειαν, Stoic. Repugn. 17 p. 1042a; Sus 14; Jos., Bell. 1, 625, Ant. 8, 256) τὶ someth. (POslo 17, 14 [136 A.D.] τὸ ἀληθές; Cyranides p. 100, 18 πάντα ὅσα ἔπραξεν; Orig., C. Cels. 2, 11, 30 τὸ ἡμαρτημένον) τὰς ἁμαρτίας (Jos., Ant. 8, 129; s. the ins in Steinleitner, nos. 13, 5; 23, 2; 24, 11; 25, 10) Mt 3:6; Mk 1:5 (cp. 1QS 1:24–26); Js 5:16 (s. PAlthaus, Zahn Festgabe 1928, 1ff); Hv 1, 1, 3; Hs 9, 23, 4. τὰς ἁ. τῷ κυρίῳ confess sins to the Lord Hv 3, 1, 5, cp. 6. τὰ παραπτώματα ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ confess transgressions in the congregation D 4:14. περὶ τῶν παραπτωμάτων make a confession of transgressions 1 Cl 51:3. ἐπὶ τ. ἁμαρτίαις for sins B 19:12. Abs. make a confession of sins Ac 19:18; 2 Cl 8:3. W. dat. of the one to whom sins are confessed 1 Cl 52:1, 2 (w. similarity in form to Ps 7:18; 117:19 and sim. Ps passages, but not=praise because of 1 Cl 51:3 [s. 4 below]).—JSchnitzer, D. Beichte im Lichte d. Religionsgesch.: Ztschr. f. Völkerpsychol. 6, 1930, 94–105; RPettazzoni, La confessione dei Peccati II ’35.
③ to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67.
④ fr. the mngs. ‘confess’ and ‘profess’ there arose, as Rtzst., Erlösungsmyst. 252 shows, the more general sense to praise, in acknowledgment of divine beneficence and majesty (so mostly LXX; TestJob 40:2 πρὸς τὸν πατέρα ) w. dat. of the one praised (oft. LXX; TestSol 1:5; Philo, Leg. All. 1, 80) σοί (2 Km 22:50; 1 Ch 29:13; Ps 85:12; 117:28 al.; Did., Gen. 60, 20) Mt 11:25=Lk 10:21 (s. Norden, Agn. Th. 277–308; JWeiss, GHeinrici Festschr. 1914, 120ff; TArvedson, D. Mysterium Chr. [Mt 11:25–30] ’37; NWilliams, ET 51, ’40, 182–86; 215–20; AHunter, NTS 8, ’62, 241–49); Ro 15:9 (Ps 17:50); 1 Cl 26:2; 61:3; B 6:16 (cp. Ps 34:18). τῷ θεῷ (Tob 14:7; Philo, Leg. All. 2, 95) Ro 14:11 (Is 45:23); τῷ κυρίῳ (fr. Gen 29:35 on, oft. in LXX) 1 Cl 48:2 (Ps 117:19); Hm 10, 3, 2.—DELG s.v. ὁμός. M-M. EDNT. TW. Sv.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 351). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

And now for the coup de grace, Monsieur.

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:23, KJV)
Strong's Hebrew: 7650. שָׁבַע (shaba) -- to swear

For it has been written: "I live, says the Lord, that every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will confess to God
." (Rom 14:11)
Strong's Greek: 1843. ἐξομολογέω (exomologeó) -- to agree, confess

if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (Rom 9:10)
Strong's Greek: 3670. ὁμολογέω (homologeó) -- to speak the same, to agree

So you will see that the HS through Paul translates the Hebrew 'shaba' (Isa 45:23) into the Greek 'exomologeo' (Rom 14:11).

The 'homologeo' is sufficient to guarantee a man's salvation. And 'exomologeo' is an even stronger affirmation, the intensive form, a bold public expression.

Confess, Praise, Give praise (1843) - Sermon Index

So are you ready to 'exomologeo' to the everlasting Koreshic Covenant of UR, der Alte? You can even merely 'homologeo' it quietly in personal prayer, and you will be saved! Great news.
 
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And now for the coup de grace, Monsieur.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:23, KJV)
For it has been written: "I live, says the Lord, that every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will confess to God." (Rom 14:11)
if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (Rom 9:10)
So you will see that the HS through Paul translates the Hebrew 'shaba' (Isa 45:23) into the Greek 'exomologeo' (Rom 14:11).
The 'homologeo' is sufficient to guarantee a man's salvation. And 'exomologeo' is an even stronger affirmation, the intensive form, a bold public expression.
So are you ready to 'exomologeo' to the everlasting Koreshic Covenant of UR, der Alte? You can even merely 'homologeo' it quietly in personal prayer, and you will be saved! Great news.
Repeating the same nonsense over and over and over does not make it correct.
You can quote Strong's until your keyboard wears out but it will never equal the scholarship I have quoted.
Unlike UR-ites I read the whole Bible not just a handful of out-of-context proof texts.
Swear in Isa 45:23 does not say what or how they swear. When Joshua put the 5 kings on their knees I'm sure they would have sworn anything. And that is what the enemies of Jesus will be doing when He puts them on their knees. Read the 7 verses I quoted above
"Exomologeo" does NOT guarantee anything. This is the part of the definition I posted which you ignored although I highlighted it for you.

③ to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67. BDAG Greek Lexicon
A conquered enemy on his/her knees will definitely be "professing, acknowledging etc." but only because they are forced to. Jesus even said they would and how He would answer them.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day,
* Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
*That day" =the day of judgement.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
There ain’t no second chance for salvation after judgment and “I never knew you, depart from me.”
Jesus didn't say "I don't know you but I will know you later." Jesus said "I never knew you." When Jesus says "never" He means <=Never=>!
 
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You can quote Strong's until your keyboard wears out but it will never equal the scholarship I have quoted.
Unlike UR-ites I read the whole Bible not just a handful of out-of-context proof texts.

Strongs is just for the words. I gave you this one which has all your favorite guys like Marvin Vincent chiming in. Did you read it?
Confess, Praise, Give praise (1843) - Sermon Index

When Joshua put the 5 kings on their knees I'm sure they would have sworn anything.

The 5 kings lol. They prayed the sinners' prayer. You may clutch onto old corpses, but I shall cling to the cross of LIFE, der Alte.

"Exomologeo" does NOT guarantee anything. This is the part of the definition I posted which you ignored although I highlighted it for you.
③ to declare openly in acknowledgment, profess, acknowledge, mid. (PHib 30, s. above; POxy 1473, 9; Lucian, Herm. 75) w. ὅτι foll. Phil 2:11 (Is 45:23; s. 4 below).—Nägeli 67. BDAG Greek LexiconA conquered enemy on his/her knees will definitely be "professing, acknowledging etc." but only because they are forced to. Jesus even said they would and how He would answer them.

Give it up der Alte, that's why we look to context. And Isaiah 45:22-25 is very hard to construe into shadow, but I'm sure you're up to the task!

“Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
“Only in the Lord, it shall be said of me,
are righteousness and strength;
to him shall come and be ashamed
all who were incensed against him.
In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
shall be justified and shall glory.”


That's ESV. You might not like it, but that's our God, saviour of ALL men especially those who believe.

There ain’t no second chance for salvation after judgment and “I never knew you, depart from me.”
Jesus didn't say "I don't know you but I will know you later." Jesus said "I never knew you." When Jesus says "never" He means <=Never=>!

Yes, past tense. But they're deadheads, they lack the hope of salvation. That's why Jesus gives it to them like that. They need to discover the gift of hope, be surprised by it. Now that's how we're called to live der Alte.
 
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Strongs is just for the words. I gave you this one which has all your favorite guys like Marvin Vincent chiming in. Did you read it?
Why should I read what you post? You don't read what I post. I quote entire definitions from BDB and BDAG your only response is nothing more than "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"
The ONLY way anyone can show BDAG to be wrong is to review the many, many sources they cite and show that their interpretation is incorrect, Just quoting a different interpretation means nothing.

The 5 kings lol. They prayed the sinners' prayer. You may clutch onto old corpses, but I shall cling to the cross of LIFE, der Alte.
Rubbish. Show me any verse, 2 or more would be better, where the 5 kings prayed the sinner's prayer? Your assumptions/presuppositions mean nothing.
Give it up der Alte, that's why we look to context. And Isaiah 45:22-25 is very hard to construe into shadow, but I'm sure you're up to the task!
“Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
“Only in the Lord, it shall be said of me,
are righteousness and strength;
to him shall come and be ashamed
all who were incensed against him.
In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
shall be justified and shall glory.”

That's ESV. You might not like it, but that's our God, saviour of ALL men especially those who believe.
I have already addressed this one out-of-context proof text in this thread. [Post #752]
This verse is quoted 6 times in the Bible. See if you can actually read and respond to my previous post.

Yes, past tense. But they're deadheads, they lack the hope of salvation. That's why Jesus gives it to them like that. They need to discover the gift of hope, be surprised by it. Now that's how we're called to live der Alte.
You cannot produce even one verse where anyone is offered the chance and is saved after death nothing but your UR assumptions/presuppositions. Isa 45:22-25 there are no ends of the earth in the grave/hell/LOF. And I don't see any knees bowing in the grave/hell/LOF.
 
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