Corona-virus, a new ethical dilemma, to lock-down or not to lock-down

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I was watching 60 Minutes today and they had a story on how a professor was advocating for the cessation of all lock-downs relating to the Corona-virus and allow business and the economy to get back to normal. Her reasoning was that now we have been battling the Virus for over 6 months we are seeing 2nd waves of contamination and we will not be able to eradicate the virus.

In the meantime, the economic hardship and all the problems that people are experiencing from lock-downs are causing more problems than the Virus. The longer we try to stop the Virus through lockdowns and restrictions the greater other problems are being created. So the reasoning is to accept the fallout of the virus spreading and the consequences which will include many deaths.

Some people say that this is the best solution. That most of the deaths will be people who are already weak such as the elderly who don't have much time left anyway or the sick who are a burden on the health system. That this is a price worth paying to allow the economy and life to get back to normal so that the rest of society can get on with living. But do people really understand what this means? It may be easy for young people but what about the rest of us. Is this a case of survival of the fittest.

For me, this is a scary prospect and one that is not so easy to do and realize the full implications of what is at stake. So I am just wondering what everyone thinks about this. I realize it may be different in each country and even State or province. Where I live we are virtually Virus-free. But the next 2 states have second wave breakouts and we have put in roadblocks and checks to screen everyone to stop the Virus coming.

But how long can we block each other out and have these restrictions to ward off what may be something we cannot get rid of. Is this the sign of things to come with new diseases where we are making decisions on who dies and who lives.
 

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I was watching 60 Minutes today and they had a story on how a professor was advocating for the cessation of all lock-downs relating to the Corona-virus and allow business and the economy to get back to normal. Her reasoning was that now we have been battling the Virus for over 6 months we are seeing 2nd waves of contamination and we will not be able to eradicate the virus.
A "lockdown" will not eradicate the virus and no one with any brain believes that it will. The purpose of lockdowns is to slow the contagion rate so that hospitals will not be overwhelmed with critical cases.
 
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The purpose of lockdowns is to slow the contagion rate so that hospitals will not be overwhelmed with critical cases.

Also gives time to develop working vaccine.
 
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Hi there, I am in Victoria, I live in a country area so we don't have the cases Melbourne and other areas do.

I don't like the reasoning of "it will be mainly the elderly or sick that will die from it anyway" comments that are made.
It doesn't sound much different from "survival of the fittest" and once you start to value some peoples lives differently, I believe you play straight into Satan's hands.

If this sounds strong, its because I firmly believe it.
I don't care if a person is 20 or 90 years old, they are of equal value and we should be all the more caring to the most vulnerable, not just write them off as casualties as if they don't matter.
It seems the latest spread has come from those not isolating when they should, those who deny its existence, who think they are clever by flouting the rules that are for the safety of not only themselves but others.

We realise and have been told that until there is a vaccine it will never be gotten rid of and it must be managed by social distancing, hygiene,and wearing face masks, so that the amount of cases don't get out of control and hospitals don't get over run.

I don't think that's too much to ask but I have seen a bunch of selfish people just doing what they want (such as going out of restricted areas and boasting and laughing about it).

What I have realised the most is the same old reaction that was in Eden when man was told the one thing he couldn't do and he rebelled against God by listening to Satan.
The old "no ones going to tell me what to do".
There is truly nothing new under the sun.

And this world has never been in such a mess, physically, morally, financially and this is all going on globally.:(

Our only hope is in God and I pray this will make at least some people think on this and their hearts to be drawn to Him.
Without Him I cannot understand how anyone can live with any hope.
 
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Eugenics?
You can say "no" but that is exactly what 60 minutes was advocating.

From the least of us often we get some of the best technology, music, arts, and medical breakthroughs.

The elderly are usually the ones running around that have some of the best wisdom.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is as insane an idea as any I've heard. Because there is no real immunity from the virus after having it that lasts beyond 3 months. And each time contracting the virus does a little more permanent damage to where you are the sick and disabled...and now susceptible to being a subject of eugenics.

And then the real problem with quarantine is a problem of the whole world disagreeing with you. Unless every nation drops their quarantine nothing but very short term gains will be had. It is a global marketplace. Shipping and air traffic has to resume to normal levels.
My FIL works at a plant that makes turbofan engines for aircraft... unless the ones in existence are being used and eventually retired he will be out of work. Quarantine or not...the entire world needs to open up.

6 months is nothing in the research community. Sure, the research scientist have been doing decades of work in a few short months...but it takes real time to get a handle on this virus. So far all we know is about antibodies and about half of what it really does to people.

6 months?
March was when we went into quarantine.
It's July. That's three months of boredom sitting around and thinking too much. Get a hobby.
 
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In the meantime, the economic hardship and all the problems that people are experiencing from lock-downs are causing more problems than the Virus.

Are they? I've seen this repeatedly claimed, but I've never seen any evidence that this is true.
 
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And this world has never been in such a mess, physically, morally, financially and this is all going on globally.:(

Puh please. The world has been in much worse scenarios.

Population bottleneck - Wikipedia

Morally people are what they and have been, physically meh no giant meteorite nor supervolcano nor ice age, financially bit of depression like we haven’t had those before.

Death count. Statistically meaningless compared to world population.

It is an inconvenience in global scale and historically that’s about it.
 
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I agree with what most of you are saying and its not because I near sixty and less healthy than most others. Its because I believe this virus is a judgment on us, and how we treat it will effect what follows. Consider, we still do not know where this came from (unless you buy into conspiracy theories). Immunity does not last not because the virus changes (like the flu) it because our antibodies start dropping. Doctor Foucchi (sp) is not sure the vaccine will work given that normal immunity seems not to be working. Then the spread of this terrible virus depends on personal sacrifices, and a government response that makes these sacrifices possible.

Has that ever happened before with any other virus? Therefore, if this is judgment, America, at least is failing! I wonder what coming after this.
 
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A "lockdown" will not eradicate the virus and no one with any brain believes that it will. The purpose of lockdowns is to slow the contagion rate so that hospitals will not be overwhelmed with critical cases.
So that is another thing those who support lifting restrictions haven't thought of. Our health system would be overwhelmed and many left suffering and dying in their homes and on the street.
 
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I agree with what most of you are saying and its not because I near sixty and less healthy than most others. Its because I believe this virus is a judgment on us, and how we treat it will effect what follows. Consider, we still do not know where this came from (unless you buy into conspiracy theories). Immunity does not last not because the virus changes (like the flu) it because our antibodies start dropping. Doctor Foucchi (sp) is not sure the vaccine will work given that normal immunity seems not to be working. Then the spread of this terrible virus depends on personal sacrifices, and a government response that makes these sacrifices possible.

Has that ever happened before with any other virus? Therefore, if this is judgment, America, at least is failing! I wonder what coming after this.
Rise of world government, antichrist, mark of the beast. Don't take the microchip.
 
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Are they? I've seen this repeatedly claimed, but I've never seen any evidence that this is true.
Are you kidding? You only have to look at the increasing job losses, business closures, and eventual shutdowns and increasing unemployment rates and welfare and you know that there are more and more problems adding up due to the Virus. What sort of evidence so you need.
 
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Let it spread around and allow people to develop immunity. That is what we do with every flu virus strain, it then gets watered down and is less severe. A vaccine will only be less than 50% effective- just like the seasonal flu.

We can't just shut down and wait, then we will have real problems when everyone loses their jobs-it will be global chaos. Of course, this is what is coming according to the Book of Revelation.

The sick and elderly is always at risk, this is how it's always been. They should wear masks, not young healthy people. Don't let the fear of death bind you. Turn to Jesus and the fear of death will have no sway over you! :oldthumbsup:

Hebrews 2,

14Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. 16For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. 17Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
 
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Can you elaborate? I am not sure what you mean by harvest.
I'm talking about the good work of reducing the amount of living humans on this planet.
 
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I agree with what most of you are saying and its not because I near sixty and less healthy than most others. Its because I believe this virus is a judgment on us, and how we treat it will effect what follows. Consider, we still do not know where this came from (unless you buy into conspiracy theories). Immunity does not last not because the virus changes (like the flu) it because our antibodies start dropping. Doctor Foucchi (sp) is not sure the vaccine will work given that normal immunity seems not to be working. Then the spread of this terrible virus depends on personal sacrifices, and a government response that makes these sacrifices possible.

Has that ever happened before with any other virus? Therefore, if this is judgment, America, at least is failing! I wonder what coming after this.

About every 100 years or so we get a pandemic. It used to be a localized thing. But today with the global marketplace it isn't.

That's the main reason it's affecting the whole world instead of a small area.
Bubonic Plague, Spanish flu, and several others are not unusual... just a natural phenomenon spread by travel.

That's why the whole world is angry at China. They knew what needed to be done but didn't do it. They knew they needed to isolate but instead kept open because of economic concerns. Exactly what 60 minutes was advocating.

Any nation needs a healthy and educated workforce to be successful long term.
 
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So that is another thing those who support lifting restrictions haven't thought of. Our health system would be overwhelmed and many left suffering and dying in their homes and on the street.
Many of those who support lifting restrictions believe the deadly character of the virus to be a worldwide conspiracy concocted by liberals to make Trump look bad. The don't believe that lifting restrictions would have a bad result.
 
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Are you kidding? You only have to look at the increasing job losses, business closures, and eventual shutdowns and increasing unemployment rates and welfare and you know that there are more and more problems adding up due to the Virus. What sort of evidence so you need.

Are job losses worse than deaths? Are business closures worse than deaths?

Serious question.
 
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From the least of us often we get some of the best technology, music, arts, and medical breakthroughs.

The elderly are usually the ones running around that have some of the best wisdom.

That’s is just rubbish.

When you think about some guy with degenerative disease that still gets Nobel like Stephen Hawkings the reason they stand out are precisely because they are so out of norm and make a good publicity bite.

There is zero reason to expect that the least of us would give us great stuff at better rate than those people that are not crippled by handicaps.

Same with the elderly having some of the best wisdom.

Just like any other adult some have and some are just ossified pains in the neck that complain when your son goes around in shredded jeans while mumbling how good things were 60 years ago.
 
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