Deprogramming cult persecutes Christian in Texas!
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I don't have a problem with them living in an unconventional manner. The major problems of this cult (that you keep denying) is that they:
#1. Do not require a person to believe in the Trinity.
#2. They do not think touching yourself is a sin.
#3. They think the Bible is fallible (full of errors).
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I sent you a definition from the dictionary. What more do you want?
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I quoted the source to you in post #55.
But I really should not have to tell you that this is a cult.
It's obvious. Cults are small sects that have really odd beliefs.
Cults are generally known for being separate from the rest of society.
They have harmful theologies and or beliefs and often have charismatic leaders.
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Science defends medical reasons for masturbation especially for a man. Please don't make the few celibate men out here think if masturbation is a sin, I may as well go get a hooker. Despite religious dogma a person can pleasure "THEMSELF" without thinking about "ANYONE" else. I know that's hard for the self righteous to imagine, but what is the sin to yourself or anyone else exactly? Have you not ever released tension in your own shoulders? I think its just embarrassing to talk about for SOME but no sin with all due respect. The sermon on the mount never said you can't but I'm sure someone along the way brainwashed you into thinking that. Hence all the sexual immorality. The poor man: wakes up soaked possibly from wet dream "Oh no I've sinned" but if would release self occasionally this wouldn't happen. Then this lead to again, feelings of inadequacy for the humble who are always seeking the truth. Hence leading to all types of problems.
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Three thousand souls were saved at Pentecost. That's no small sect.
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Science is not Scripture.
Jesus says:
“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).
This group boasts that they follow the sermon on the mount, but they must have blacked out the words of Jesus above here. Jesus is saying that if a person looks upon a woman in lust, their whole body can be cast into hellfire. touching yourself is implied in this verse because it says for a person to cut off their right hand.
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That's not how Yahshua's ministry started.
If Yahshua had started his ministry today; would you brand his small group, with odd teachings, a cult?
Would you use that label to justify kidnapping, torture, and theft?
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JESUS did everything in line with Scripture and He did not break away or deviate from the Scriptures. Jesus deviated from man made traditions of the Pharisees. This is not a cult. A cult is any group that breaks away from the traditional faith and has extremely odd beliefs. So no. JESUS did not start a cult.
What is your idea or definition of a cult today (Besides Jesus and His disciples)?
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I agree with science and scripture comment if we're talking about big bang, creation, etc. I cant dispute the fact however that science says I have a heart that beats. I want this to hit your heart not your emotions. Touching "YOURSELF" doesn't involve anyone else. I've never went by what a preacher thinks something IMPLIES. Jesus happened to mention not working for money throughout all the gospels but no one implies that that's true because its easier to get fixated on what doesn't matter. Usually whatever sin we are least likely to commit. For example in some churches you have people on 5th and 6th marriage checking out there next wife. But they are real quick to condemn all GAYS to hell.
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but Yahshua did break away from traditional faith. In fact he rebuked traditions of men.
If Yahshua was here on earth today; you can be sure that he would be pointing his finger at every denomination. Because they can't all be right; I suspect that none of them have it all right.
There is no justification for kidnapping, torture, and theft; simply because someone fellowships with a small group who share odd beliefs.
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Lets do a real life scenario. If your husband masturbates while your away is that a sin? Or if your in the shower and water hitting you just right but not thinking of anyone else is that a sin? If a person gets a therapeutic massage and feels pleasure from the release of every other muscle in the body except sex organs is that OK?
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Again. Read Matthew 5:28-30. Jesus condemns looking upon another in lust. When a person masterbates, they are doing so out of lust for the opposite sex. He talked about the cutting of the right hand (Which is obviously a reference to touching yourself). Jesus said some have made themselves Eunuchs for the kingdom of God (See: Matthew 19:12). If they could have just masterbated, then they obviously did not have to become Eunuchs, right?
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I am a Christian male, and I am married to a Christian female. While I have let some small details about me slip, I also strive not to talk about my personal life on the internet. It's the problem with the internet these days.
Again, you have to deal with Matthew 5:28-30.
You are not dealing with what it is saying plainly.
Why did Jesus refer to cutting off a hand in regards to lusting after another if it is not referring to touching yourself?
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I feel sorry that you've never experienced an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] not thinking about opposite sex. You'd be surprised better than partner sex. And I know its not a sin. Imagine if everyone would turn to themselves instead of everyone else. God knows we're human he created us. However that isn't a free ride to go on as many free rides as you can.
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Note again the topic of this thread; a family kidnapped their adult daughter, cut off her access to freedom or communication with others, stole her belongings, and tortured her in an effort to get her to deny her faith.
But, Bible Highlighter's concern is that her church doesn't make it mandatory that its members have a "correct" understanding of a theological issue which he refers to as "the trinity". Where in the gospels does Jesus make it mandatory that his followers have a correct understanding of his relationship with the Father? He does tell them that he is sent by the Father, that he and the father are one, and that the job of the Holy Spirit is to remind us of his teachings, but nowhere does Jesus say that his followers must have a correct understanding on this theological issue. This woman refused to deny her faith in the face of torture and all this guy can do is criticize her for not giving the same important to this doctrine that he does.
The Christian world today is rife with this kind of luke-warm garbage where correct theological doctrines are more important that simple, child-like loyalty to God even in the face of persecution.
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