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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?
 

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I think you care more than Esau did. I think God is closer to you than you think.

A prayer I have prayed is, "Lord, I love you, but not enough. Help me to love you more."

Why do you find it hard to put your faith and trust in Jesus?
 
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As we grow in God's righteousness, and we fall, the nudging of the Holy Spirit will become faster than when we first believe. When we do fall, and we will, its not always wise to wait on the Spirit to come knocking. For me, those moments often come as a 3am wakeup call.
If you are having this conversation with us, then the Spirit is already going His work in you. :)
 
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Do not give up! You can do this. Get into the good habits that help you walk with God better. Prayer, bible reading, Godly fellowship, church attendance, Praise. I would try fasting too. Do these things even if you feel nothing. At some point you will get the wind in your sail and be moving toward God again. The devil is just trying to fool you, with all that lost forever talk.

Given we are in the end times, get some fear of the Lord in you by looking at prophecies and sermons about what might be taking place.
 
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Betcha you have one big dirty old sin you don't want to release. And I betcha you'll know what I mean when you read this.

It is unwillingness to change or to let go. I was beating myself up about a situation that I put myself in but God was using it to help me grow. I was in the wilderness and hardened my heart now I'm really questioning if its too late
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?

There's a process (seedtime and harvest) to everything ...
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?

Hi Alynn,

I understand what you are going through.
God has promised not to leave us and God will not forsake. Don’t worry !
We can ask us that God not to take His Holy Spirit from away from us.
You are desiring to get the conviction of the Holy Spirit; you can get what you ask by praying that you will receive; of course, you need to ask for forgiveness from the Lord for what you have done wrong before you ask God to give you His Holy Spirit.

Here is my story how the Lord God lead me to be strengthen, and the Holy Spirit convict me. Eventually, I am given the strength to comprehend His love :

Bear with me, as I share this long story. For it is God who takes time to heal my heart and that I turn to His love.

My thoughts on Why God gives His people STRENGTH?


I still remembered how the Lord delivered me from my destruction and foolishness!

This setback, makes me know God’s strength.

It has been time to time again I meditate to know more about God’s strength.


In His own words, our Father in Heaven, says this:


My son, do not lose sight of these' keep sound wisdom and discretion, and they will be life for your soul and adornment for your neck. -Proverbs 3:22


How gracious is Your words, loving Heavenly Father!


From the Bible, I come to know that God give STRENGTH to His people:


May the LORD give STRENGTH to His people! May the LORD bless His people with peace! -Psalms 29:11


When I was weak and lost, I know then how I hate what became of me!

May be this how you feel when you were WRETCHED! That was how I felt awful!


I did not come around till God DISCIPLINE me!


Thank you, loving Heavenly Father,

For You discipline me who You love.


I was not in good sense till God’s Rod chastise me!


I could not believe that I say this:

Indeed, His rod and staff reassure me!


Eventually, I turn around and get RENEWAL of STRENGTH from God, who redeem me!


This verse, I heard before.

Isaiah 40:31

but those who hope in (or wait on ) the Lord God will renew their strength,


Well, what else I can do then? When I was weak, lost and do not know how to change myself! —- Wait on God ! I did wait and continue to wait day after day!


At first, Pastor Benny Hinn, told me if you can wait for doctor! Then you can wait for God!

What is wait? Just wait !


What else I can did when all things already crumble to ruin!

I obey ! I wait.


It seems not making sense by waiting you can change anything about yourself ?

I just obey, even it does not make sense, and just wait on God.


I continue from an hour every day, continue to do steadfastly from day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year.


I come to understand more why wait on God?


While waiting, our mind try to make sense and want to run away and do others things that make life productive, efficient and worthwhile.


There are many distractions !!!


But I know too well, from my past experiences, I fail miserably !!!

I just need to forget that I was good enough to fix this WRETCHEDNESS by my own thinking, my own way, my understanding !

I just need God! I cannot run away from Him, because there are no place for me to go but Him alone.


I follow the counsel of the godly:


Seek the LORD and His strength; seek His presence continually! -Psalms 105:4


I seek God’s strength by waiting on Him.


Yes, again while waiting,

I come around to understand:


We know that our old self was CRUCIFIED with Him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. -Romans 6:6


While waiting, my old self was CRUCIFIED.


How was it crucified?

My mind want to do other things in life than wait on God ; thinking it was a waste of time! When I obey God, and did not follow the intents of my mind; I CRUCIFIED MY OLD SELF.


My body want to do other things in life than wait on God ; like be elsewhere sulking watching or doing something I like; When I obey God, and did not follow the intents of my body; I CRUCIFIED MY OLD SELF.


Through this, I come around to gain God’s STRENGTH.

I easily can come to focus on Jesus.


It is true while waiting, I still have questions in my head not yet answered.


I come across to know Sister Basilea Schlink from pastor Benny Hinn:


When she was in inner turmoil, she continuously pray this short prayer:


The Lord, my Shepherd guides me on the right paths for the sake of His own name. Amen

-Psalms 23:3


So, I follow the godly advice; I pray this prayer again and again from day to day.


In the past, I cannot pray, I did not have strength to pray; I was that miserable !!! How I became to a person I did not like!


Eventually , while waiting, I gain God’s strength to pray.


The prayer from apostle Paul tells to the church at Colossae, helps me to understand more about God’s strength.


being STRENGTHENED with all power, according to His glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy; -Colossians 1:11


From this verse, I come to see that Power or being STRENGTHENED with all power —- that is from His Glorious might — it is for a PURPOSE that we may have endurance and patience with joy.


Wow!

The Holy Spirit ables to give STRENGTH from His glorious might to us,His people.


But it was and still is REVEALATION to me!!!


I came to understand God’s strength and power differently; I thought I can have SUPERHERO’s POWER when I have God’s strength and power; but it was not for that purpose that I thought it was.


But for a God’s given purpose — for us, to have us gained ENDURANCE AND PATIENCE WITH JOY.


This REVEALATION, has brought many more questions in my head about Endurance?Patience with Joy??


While waiting, I come to focus on the words that God has spoken in the Bible about WAITING!


This has brought me closer to God the Father.


My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; -Proverbs 2:1-2


While waiting on God, I gain God’s strength to put His words in my mind.


By receiving God’s words and treasure up what He says, I come to understand more what God say.


that according to the riches of His glory he may grant you to be STRENGTHENED with power through His Spirit in your inner being, -Ephesians 3:16


This comes from Apostle Paul’s prayer to the church at Ephesus, when the Apostle Paul prayed to our Loving Heavenly Father.


Apostle Paul prayed that God the Father may grant us to be STRENGTHENED with power through His Holy Spirit in our inner being,


I come to know that God the Father grant or give His STRENGTH through His HOLY SPIRIT.


I come to know that the Holy Spirit STRENGTHEN our inner being; so when He strengthen us, we know!!!

That is for me a DISCOVERY!!! Because I know not this before!!!


While waiting on God,

I gain God’s strength to meditate.


This Book of the Law ( of the Spirit) shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. -Joshua 1:8


From this verse, I come to know more about meditation; that I should speak softly the Holy Scripture ; then on I can be careful to do all that is written in it.


I come to understand that by speaking out softly and drowning myself in the words from the Holy Spirit filled words - then the Holy Spirit can give me the STRENGTH to be careful to do all that is written in it.


By being careful - I find out there is possibly to be careless or not thoughtful to think or do things that are written for me (us) - so then I realize I need to MEDITATE to gain Holy Spirit’s help to do what is written for me to do.


Then on, with Holy Spirit’s Help, I can make my way prosperous;


This make me think what it is “my way prosperous through Holy Spirit “??


I meditate on God’s ways to see whether my ways reflect His ways and look to see how far my way has followed God’s way and had remain prosperous;

Surely, I sense that God must have the mean to make me see that!


Then on, with Holy Spirit’s Help, I can have a good success!?


Who does not want to have a good success eventually? I think everyone agree they want that.


But to achieve good success through Holy Spirit!? How does that happen in my life? Have I seen that? I contemplate again. How I do it to make it happen?


I couldn’t find straight answer.

Still, I don’t understand yet.

I just obey first to see how God fulfill what He says.


When I meditate, I sense God’s presence!

I must mean God know what I am doing, that is meditate His words day and night.

I believe eventually God fulfill what He says.


While waiting,

I come to ask different questions; this time, the question is how long I should wait to gain God’s strength that He intends to give to me?


Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with ENDURANCE the race that is set before us, -Hebrews 12:1


From this verse, I find the word ENDURANCE interesting!

It must take STRENGTH to endure !

But for a purpose for THE RACE.


From the above verse, I come to understand that I should learn to lay aside WEIGHT ( burden) or SIN !!!


From the verse, I come to be aware that I am surrounded by many witnesses from heavens - what I should do, that when I am seen by many witnesses - I was, and am and will be found to have the STRENGTH to lay aside WEIGHT and SIN !!!


From the endurance race, I come to understand how long I should wait - everyday - till the end of the race.


It come clearer to know that the purpose to be STRENGTHENED is to lay aside everyday WEIGHT and SIN for the race


Just as Jesus endure the cross, I should endure my cross. The STRENGTH to endure the Cross ; come to mean something to me.


What is God’s purpose, for me to find His strength and this renewal ?

I seek to find the answer.


may have STRENGTH to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, -Ephesians 3:18

and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God. -Ephesians 3:19


Though this verse is long, I come to understand eventually from apostle Paul prayer to God the Father, that is, God the Father can give STRENGTH to comprehend the love of Christ.


This means it takes STRENGTH to know how strong and powerful it must be the LOVE of CHRIST toward us, who He has redeemed.


when, eventually, I realize that. I say wow!

How amazing!!!


So, every day, I wait on God! It is for me to gain STRENGTH to comprehend me about the love of Christ.


How I should not miss this !!!


Then, when I wait on God, I find more STRENGTH to comprehend the love of Christ.

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Hi Alynn,
Draw near to God, then He will draw near to you. Not the other way around.

Set your time yourself with the Lord in a closed room. Trust Him that He reward you who seek diligently seek Him.

Meditate God’s word then you will understand the fear of God and find the Knowledge of the Holy One.

The fear of God, will help you TURN.

wait on the Lord, you shall find the strength to be near His love.

GBU
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?

How did you come to repentance?
 
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How did you come to repentance?

Well I think the first time might have been a false repentance. I didn't know that it was a change of mind. I just said a prayer and that was it.

But in January I think that I was brought to true repentance but ignored it because I was so caught up in my feelings and how I messed everything up. Now 8 months later I am defeated in my thoughts and everything is unknown
 
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You can be victorious in your thoughts if you just identify yourself with the things in the Spirit of His word.
Just set your mind on the things of the Spirit,
then you will have life and peace.

First step, draw near to God. then He will draw near to you.
Not the other way around. Why? Jesus already give His life and He also is suffering now because you have not return His love by setting your mind on Him.
Like when you love someone, you set your mind on that person. When you don’t look back with love to Jesus, you know He is sad.

You know the past 8 months or more, you have tried using your efforts — that doesn’t work! Why try again what doesn’t work !
Don’t waste time.

Just humble yourself and seek the Lord ‘s strength.
Why?
Only when You rely on His strength that you can be victorious in your thoughts and other things — then you know that His strength delivers you out of all troubles and fear —- then when you sing and praise — you know well Jesus Christ deserve your every praise!
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?
I see the key word feel and felt a bunch of times.

Throughout our walk God uses different things to speak to us.

If emotions or what you can feel is the emphasis, sometimes feeling bad things is necessary to see all the angles of what God is trying to say.

Since emotions are a complex language however, it's generally inefficient in the beginning since we're slow to pick up all of the details.

As far as disciplines, I would recommend to develop with God how to discern which sin is active in your thoughts (the obvious that you hide from yourself, and the subtle that hides from you) and to be able to "take captive the thoughts" with your faith, and then to confess said sins trusting God to cleanse you of all unrighteousness.

The particular patch of journey you are describing took forever for me, always felt like God wasn't here, so alone, so pointless - I remember and continue with the lessons learned from that time.
 
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I think you care more than Esau did. I think God is closer to you than you think.

A prayer I have prayed is, "Lord, I love you, but not enough. Help me to love you more."

Why do you find it hard to put your faith and trust in Jesus?
I agree. I love how you put this it in such short words too.
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?

So much stress. Please don't stress so much. You really are in good hands with the Father. And as Sketcher said early, it is obvious you do care. Excellent place to start. The Lord cares and you care. This is where things get lively. Buckle up.

Working it all out can be a rollercoaster of ups and downs. Numbness happens sometimes. It is not the end of your faith. Trust that the Lord is still working with you because he is. The enemy will lie to you so be careful. He wants you to believe your faith is fake and you have no love left. He wants you to believe your allotted grace is due to run out. Don't fall for it.

Find a life verse or two to cling to when these troubling times hit.

My personal favorite: Proverbs 3:5-8

Trust in the Lord with all your heart. And lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes but fear the Lord and shun evil. This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.
 
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Man o Man o Man. At this point I am a fool lost at bay. wither if I hardened my heart to much or that I may have committed the unforgivable sin I do not feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

I had asked a friend about repentance and if we would have to be FIRST convicted by the Holy Spirit then we lead to repentance. Seeing how I feel absolutely dead inside. My heart has NO FEELING. none. I can connect on an emotion level. It's like I have NO LOVE. It feels hallow and black.

I don't think that I've reached my tipping point where grace has ran out for me but I could have. Has anyone felt like this? Like and Esau? My faith is dead. I've been deceived. I know that I need to put my trust and faith in Jesus but I can't. Not that I don't want to but its hard for me to do so.

God searches the mind and the heart and I believe that over the last 8 months my heart did get harder. I know that He sees things in me that I can't see myself. I'm doubting if I ever REALLY loved him or my "FIRST REVELATION" of him was false faith. Right now the condition that my heart is in and the state of my heart I don't think anyone would be able to love God or Christ with a heart or mind like mine.

Yes of course I've repented but if it not lead by the Holy Spirit what use it? When I "TRY" and talk to God it feels so fake and disingenuous. I am stuck. In my mind. In my heart. I feel so so far away.

Has anyone know what I'm talking about or felt like this before? Is there a way out?

Hi Alynn,
I am feeling a similar way and am desperate for hope and a way out.
Did you find any?
Are you doing any better now?
Kindest regards,
Caitlin
 
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