CAN YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE?

LoveGodsWord said:

Everlasting life is indeed a gift it is also a gift that is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says (scripture). No one receives eternal life according to the scriptures if they do not believe and follow God's Word (scripture).

Hope this is helpful.

Click to expand...

We do not agree.

LoveGodsWord said:

CAN YOU LOSE SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE?

What are your thoughts?

According to the scriptures, God's salvation is condtional on...

1. FAITH (believing and following God's Word) *JOHN 3:14-21 in God's word and promises *2 PETER 1:4, JOHN 3:16; JOHN 10:26-27

2. REPENTANCE FROM SIN *MATTHEW 3:2; MATTHEW 4:17; LUKE 13:3-5; ACTS 2:38; ACTS 3:19; ACTS 8:32; PROVERBS 28:9-13

3.CONFESSION OF SIN *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4 and

4. ACCEPTANCE OF JESUS AS OUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR FROM SIN *JOHN 8:31-36; John 10:26-27; JOHN 10:38; JAMES 2:18-20; 16; ROMANS 6:1-23; MATTHEW 7:21-27; John 4:42

Those who follow God do not practice sin and those who continue in SIN do not know God *1 JOHN 3:9; 1 JOHN 2:1-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN with a new heart to love. If the HOLY SPIRIT cannot come and go if we depart the faith, why are we warned to not GRIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT *EPHESIANS 4:30; PSALMS 51:10-13?

We GRIEVE God's SPIRIT by SIN *GENESIS 6:5-6; PSALMS 119:158 and not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD *PSALMS 95:10-11; HEBREWS 3:10-11; HEBREWS 3:17-19. It is ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to the END that will be saved *JOHN 8:31-36; MATTHEW 24:13; MARK 13:13; HEBREWS 3:13-14; HEBREWS 3:6; COLOSSIANS 1:12-14; 23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; MATTHEW 13:18-23.

According to the scriptures if we are not CONTINUING to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to the END we can GREIVE God's Spirit and depart from the faith *2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-3; 1 TIMOTHY 4:1.

ARE WE IN A SAVED STATE WHILE CONTINUING IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?

................

For me the scriptures teach we can have the hope of eternal life today through faith but it is only those who endure temtation to the end and continue in the faith that reveive eternal life.

TITUS 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

TITUS 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

COLOSSIANS 1:22-23 [22], In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and blameless and unreproveable in his sight: [23], If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel..

TITUS 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

However, it is only those who ENDURE temptation to the END BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word that receive eternal life.....

MATTHEW 24:13 [12], And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. [13], But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

MARK 13:13 [13], And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

HEBREWS 3:13-14 [13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end

HEBREWS 3:6 [6], But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

JAMES 1:12 [12], Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

...............

What are your thoughts?

May God bless you as you seek him and continue in His Word.

Click to expand...

As I am sure that msany have already posted the Scriptures that show your error I answer NO NO NO an INFINITE times NO!

Once one is born again, they cannot be "unborn again".

In Hebrews it is written " I will never leave thee or forsake thee." So even if one tries to walk away from god- god will not leave them!

Salvation is eternally secure.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi nolidad nioce to see you. What error would that be and what scriptures that are God's Word not mine do you disagree with? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says in his own words that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God over the Word of God we are not following God in Matthew 15:3-9 and Mark 7:2-9.

Click to expand...

I never disagree with Gods Word! I do disagree (when I do ) with people misapplication of Gods Word!

I am not sure what point you are trying to make with the SCriptures you cited. They have nothing to do with one being eternally secure or lose their salvation.

But as to losing salvation.

The old man who was condemned is gone in a believer (2 Cor. 5:17)

The new man cannot sin Rom. 6

We are dead and our life is hidden with Christ on God. When Christ who is our life shall appear, then we shall appear with Him. Col. 3

Jesus gives eternal life (not temporary life) and we shall never perish
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Sin is not the issue! When Jesus died on the cross- He paid for all of our sins, not just some of them! So when we received Christ- all of our sins became paid in full! He took our sinfulness and gave us His righteousness.

today's reading from a book i have from Spurgeon really did enlighten my morning and strengthen my faith in Christ even more so. I hope you all get blessed from it as much as i did.

'Upon them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation'....Hebrews 9:28

This is our hope. He to whom we have already looked as coming once to bear the sins of many will have another manifestation to the sons of men; this is a happy prospect in itself. But that second appearing has certain peculiar marks which glorify it exceedingly.
Our Lord will have ended the business of sin. He has so taken it away from his people, and so effectually borne its penalty, that he will have nothing to do with it at his second coming. He will present no sin-offering, for he will have utterly put sin away.
Our Lord will then complete the salvation of his people. They will be finally and perfectly saved, and will in every respect enjoy the fulness of that salvation. He comes not to bear the result of his obedience; not to remove our condemnation, but to perfect our salvation.
Our Lord thus appears only to those who look for him. He will not be seen in this character by men whose eyes are blinded with self and sin. To them he will be a terrible Judge, and nothing more. We must first look to him, and then look for him; and in both cases our look shall be life.

Look and Live ....Isaiah 45:22

LoveGodsWord said:

Thanks nolidad, but all I can see here is your opinions and empty claims. I asked you earlier for the detail and specifics so we can discuss them. You provided general broad scripture but none of them support what your saying that I can see. What errors and what scriptures that are God's Word not mine do you disagree with that has been shared here in the OP and can you show why you disagree? Look forward to your response.

Click to expand...

Well that is sad you think that way, for almost everything I wrote was either a quote from Scripture or a paraphrase of what was declared!

LoveGodsWord said:

CAN WE LOSE SALVATION IF WE TURN AWAY FROM GOD BACK TO KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Click to expand...

Now go learn the context of why this was written, who it was written to and the conditions that compelled the writing. Then do a word study on the passage from the original language (koine greek) and parse the words and you will find this has nothing to do with salvation at all! And especially to a gentile believer!!!!!!

LoveGodsWord said:

You were provided context dear friend. What is it you did not believe that was shared with you?

Click to expand...

LoveGodsWord said:

What was it you claim that was scripture that I disagreed with and what is sad?

Click to expand...

No I was given just the verses! Teh language it was originally written in paints a far different picture than those who think it means one can lost their salvation! Especially given the passages in the context of teh letter!


Well you believe someone can lose their salvation! That goes against plain unambiguous Teaching from the Inspired Word.

LoveGodsWord said:

CAN YOU LOSE SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE?

What are your thoughts?

According to the scriptures, God's salvation is condtional on...

1. FAITH (believing and following God's Word) *JOHN 3:14-21 in God's word and promises *2 PETER 1:4, JOHN 3:16; JOHN 10:26-27

2. REPENTANCE FROM SIN *MATTHEW 3:2; MATTHEW 4:17; LUKE 13:3-5; ACTS 2:38; ACTS 3:19; ACTS 8:32; PROVERBS 28:9-13

3.CONFESSION OF SIN *1 JOHN 1:9; PROVERBS 28:13; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4 and

4. ACCEPTANCE OF JESUS AS OUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR FROM SIN *JOHN 8:31-36; John 10:26-27; JOHN 10:38; JAMES 2:18-20; 16; ROMANS 6:1-23; MATTHEW 7:21-27; John 4:42

Those who follow God do not practice sin and those who continue in SIN do not know God *1 JOHN 3:9; 1 JOHN 2:1-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN with a new heart to love. If the HOLY SPIRIT cannot come and go if we depart the faith, why are we warned to not GRIEVE the HOLY SPIRIT *EPHESIANS 4:30; PSALMS 51:10-13?

We GRIEVE God's SPIRIT by SIN *GENESIS 6:5-6; PSALMS 119:158 and not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD *PSALMS 95:10-11; HEBREWS 3:10-11; HEBREWS 3:17-19. It is ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to the END that will be saved *JOHN 8:31-36; MATTHEW 24:13; MARK 13:13; HEBREWS 3:13-14; HEBREWS 3:6; COLOSSIANS 1:12-14; 23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; MATTHEW 13:18-23.

According to the scriptures if we are not CONTINUING to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to the END we can GREIVE God's Spirit and depart from the faith *2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-3; 1 TIMOTHY 4:1.

ARE WE IN A SAVED STATE WHILE CONTINUING IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?

................

For me the scriptures teach we can have the hope of eternal life today through faith but it is only those who endure temtation to the end and continue in the faith that reveive eternal life.

TITUS 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

TITUS 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

COLOSSIANS 1:22-23 [22], In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and blameless and unreproveable in his sight: [23], If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel..

TITUS 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

However, it is only those who ENDURE temptation to the END BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word that receive eternal life.....

MATTHEW 24:13 [12], And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. [13], But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

MARK 13:13 [13], And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

HEBREWS 3:13-14 [13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end

HEBREWS 3:6 [6], But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

JAMES 1:12 [12], Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

...............

What are your thoughts?

May God bless you as you seek him and continue in His Word.

Click to expand...

If you can lose your salvation, doesn't that imply you can regain it again on your own? This seems to give the individual a little too much power over their own salvation. Plus, the blood of Jesus doesn't wear out. It doesn't get weak even when we do.

Whether it's conditional or not, we were never responsible for meeting those conditions in our own will ever, is the point here, etc...

If God is not doing it and making or causing it to happen, then you are sure to fail, and missed the mark, and not to mention completely missed the point, etc...

If your trying hard to keep it/them, or make them happen or become so in your own will/strength/ego and self-efforts, etc, then you are nothing more than a Pharisee, etc...

If it is conditional upon anything, God has to make it happen or become so or it will never truly be so, etc, cause you would then be the one responsible for your own salvation, and never needed a Savior, which God will reject, and will probably remind you never was never ever even so anyway, to ever begin with also, etc...

We cannot save ourselves, or meet any requirements or conditions in our own will, and if we think we can, or we are trying to, then we never one of his, etc, as we "missed it", etc, and missed it all, and missed the point, etc, and are no better than Pharisees, etc...

Not to mention "all the other things" these ones do who are trying to do it all or meet it all in their own will (and are teaching others to do the same, etc) are in great error, and not to mention grievous sin about, etc, that God will probably bring up or remind you all of on judgement day about also, etc...

If God doesn't save you, or if God doesn't cause it all to happen, or make it all happen for you, and never did from before the foundations of the world, then you will not be saved, cause you were never one of his, etc...

Just a wolf in sheep's clothing, etc...

All of the self-will and self-efforts are all great egotism and pride and vanity, etc, which God says, is not only sin, but it something, and some people, he even greatly detests and/or hates, etc...

Like I said, wolves in sheep's clothing's, etc...

Whether or not their are conditions or not is not the point, etc, the point is whether or not we are responsible for meeting those conditions, or to be making them become so, and/or happen, etc...

And it is of my opinion that we are not, etc...

Nor should we be judging each other and others on it as well either, not only cause it/that is sin, but because it is all in God's own good timing (and will) as well also, etc...

Plus we might be deceived by those who appear to do it or be it outwardly, etc, but inside are ravenous wolves, etc, (in sheep's clothing, etc)...

And we are not be deceived by these ones or in that way if we are truly one of his, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Those trying to do it in their own will/ego/strength, are not fully submitted to God or his will, etc, and are Pharisees, etc, and are sinning, etc...

They might appear righteous or even sinless (some of them) outwardly, etc, but it is not only not the truth at all, etc, but inside these ones are ravenous rabid dogs or wolves, etc, seeking only to devour no matter how nice or polite they might seem to be, or appear to be outwardly, and are wolves in sheep's clothing, etc...

Do not be deceived by them, etc...

They are not in the truth, or are walking in truth, etc...

And until they do, watch out for them, etc...

Lest you get caught up in their ways, etc...

God Bless!